man, the JC dailies now are a complete breeze compared to wrath. No more having to go out and find stupid mobs in different areas (if the goo one comes up then I just go to hyjal and 5 feet from the port spot are elementals with 100% drop rate). The stardust one is dumb but the SW girl is 5 seconds from the AH and that's simple, too.
I wish it didn't take 3 days to get one cut but now I'm just bitching.
I wish it didn't take 3 days to get one cut but now I'm just bitching.
That's really my issue, in that it'll take, oh, about three weeks of daily playing to just get the cuts I want for my JCer (chimera eyes, or whatever they're called), and then another two weeks for the ones my alt will need, then another week or so to cover the major "request" gems ... and I still won't have everything I want.
The problem I have with the Cata quests is the "cut three gems" ones. There isn't enough variety there to keep the prices from skyrocketing and getting them through prospecting is iffy. On top of that, you actually have to cut it (can't get it from the AH already made) AND you lose them once you turn in the quest. If it was just cut one those would be a lot better.
Thankfully they don't seem to come up that often, I usually get stardust or goo which are fine.
I wish it didn't take 3 days to get one cut but now I'm just bitching.
That's really my issue, in that it'll take, oh, about three weeks of daily playing to just get the cuts I want for my JCer (chimera eyes, or whatever they're called), and then another two weeks for the ones my alt will need, then another week or so to cover the major "request" gems ... and I still won't have everything I want.
I just dislike long, grindy quest chains
I don't even mind grindy, the problem with the JC dailies is that you can't 'grind' them - you are stuck remembering to do them every day for months so your guild can have most of the cuts they need.
I swear to god those are the easiest "dailies" ever. What, you want me to throw some dust on some dudes to make their hands glow? Really? Okay 10 seconds later I have my mark, see you tomorrow thanks!
It doesn't take that long to get the cuts you need, and if it's really urgent, you can always coordinate with other JC guildies so you have all the cuts covered.
Buy the gems on the non-JC daily day and they're much cheaper. Right now the nightstones are only about 20g a piece on my server.
However, if you know what you're doing, the ores aren't even that bad. That's where I get my gems now. Yeah it sucks to not sell them outright, but the suckiness lessens when I know that I'll have whatever cuts I want from now on.
edit: Wavechaser, didn't you see my comment above where I say what a complete breeze they are?
I have max BS Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting, and JC. Which one requires me to do a daily for 3 days in a row to get one high level rec?
I have max BS Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting, and JC. Which one requires me to do a daily for 3 days in a row to get one high level rec?
To be fair, Tailoring and Enchanting require you to be level 84 to get the premium patterns...
What takes longer, the total time for that daily over 3 days, or farming 10 Heavy Savage Leather (or the equivalent amount of gold, ~600g on my server on a good day)?
I have max BS Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting, and JC. Which one requires me to do a daily for 3 days in a row to get one high level rec?
To be fair, Tailoring and Enchanting require you to be level 84 to get the premium patterns...
What takes longer, the total time for that daily over 3 days, or farming 10 Heavy Savage Leather (or the equivalent amount of gold, ~600g on my server on a good day)?
Equal maybe? Tol Barad is pretty sweet for Savage Leather.
I've started saving up my JC tokens for the inevitable release of Epic gems so I can just buy them all right away.
I like how they didn't make Books of Glyph Mastery drop after Northrend. Pretty janitorial design decision right there. It's insanely expensive to try to learn book-based glyphs now.
I have max BS Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting, and JC. Which one requires me to do a daily for 3 days in a row to get one high level rec?
To be fair, Tailoring and Enchanting require you to be level 84 to get the premium patterns...
What takes longer, the total time for that daily over 3 days, or farming 10 Heavy Savage Leather (or the equivalent amount of gold, ~600g on my server on a good day)?
Equal maybe? Tol Barad is pretty sweet for Savage Leather.
I've started saving up my JC tokens for the inevitable release of Epic gems so I can just buy them all right away.
Maybe under absolutely ideal conditions (croc farm swarming with people killing crocs, everyone looting bodies, nobody else skinning, no PVP combat to worry about), then sure, you can farm up 50 savage leather pretty quickly.
Or I can just use a different profession and make money and use that money to buy the mats I need.
Just because you farmed it yourself doesn't mean it's "free."I dropped all of my gathering professions because I made more money with JC then I did farming herbs. Now I just buy the mats I need to make other things.
And yes, I agree that having the high level vendors be fucking phased is the dumbest shit ever. My tailor has 10 dream cloth and I'm still level 79 because I was an idiot and didn't level tailoring on my main for some reason.
The problem I have with the Cata quests is the "cut three gems" ones. There isn't enough variety there to keep the prices from skyrocketing and getting them through prospecting is iffy. On top of that, you actually have to cut it (can't get it from the AH already made) AND you lose them once you turn in the quest. If it was just cut one those would be a lot better.
Thankfully they don't seem to come up that often, I usually get stardust or goo which are fine.
There's a 60% chance for the daily to be a "cut gems" one, actually.
One time when it was a "cut gems" daily, I cut my gems and didn't get credit for them. Then I realized it was because I was in a raid (it was almost raid time on a raid night). Fucking wonderful. Had to get 3 more gems, leave the raid, cut them, rejoin the raid, then turn in the quest.
Which brings us to the following: the "can't complete quests while in a raid group" mechanic is archaic and completely obsolete. It serves no worthwhile purpose anymore and should be done away with.
I like how they didn't make Books of Glyph Mastery drop after Northrend. Pretty janitorial design decision right there. It's insanely expensive to try to learn book-based glyphs now.
Now inscription. There is a profession that is completely and utterly fucked right now.
No new books of glyph mastery.
The only ink trader in the game right now is still located only in Dalaran. Want to make a recipe that requires shimmering ink? LOLOLOL go hoof it for half an hour or prepare to have a trash character parked in Dal to just sit there and mail mats to your inscriptionist. BRILLIANT. How fucking hard would it be to spawn a fucking ink trader in Org? O_o O_o O_o O_o
Glyphs, one time learn = AH fail.
Unless you are somehow the luckiest fuck on earth and have some rare new recipe, good luck making money on inscription anymore. I used to blow through glyphs on the AH like crazy, as of this week I've tried to sell the same 23 glyphs on the AH with zero success. The price has dropped steadily from ~70 gold per glyph to about 15 to 20 (normal glyphs). Even at 20 gold, I've yet to sell a single glyph.
The ones my inscriptionist doesn't have (because they are impossible to obtain), lol 600gold on the AH. "HI EVERYONE, IM AN INSCRIPTIONIST WHO HAS TO BUY HIS GLYPHS OFF THE AH!" Wait... wait what.
Whats the point? Aside from giving yourself a shoulder enchant, it's a complete and utter fucking joke of a profession.
See, I hated the fact that you had to rebuy glyphs every time you wanted a change.
But I also think it's also bad that scribes don't have an ... evergreen product, for lack of a better term. Scrolls are ... hardly ever used? I only use them when I've got some in my backpack and need to clear space.
They're in a place similar to Enchanters before Blizz put in the ability to make Scrolls of Enchant Whatever - well, I take that back, they're in a better position, because at least they can put *something* on the AH.
But still, yeah - bad spot for them.
EDIT: Heh - I love that the answer to "We don't have anything to sell!" is "Have you considered running a lottery?"
I don't know WTF you are complaining about with Inscription and making money. I've got an Inscription alt for my Glyphing needs and it's easy to make a decent steady source of income off glyphs.
They may be permanent now, but because of that they sell for alot more and they still sell frequently.
Maybe under absolutely ideal conditions (croc farm swarming with people killing crocs, everyone looting bodies, nobody else skinning, no PVP combat to worry about), then sure, you can farm up 50 savage leather pretty quickly.
Under other, less favorable conditions, no.
Another good spot are the elite stone drakes in Deepholm.
They're elite, but the giants knock them out of the air half dead. Kill them. They drop 30 silver to 1 gold 30 silver a kill + have a decent chance for green items + are skinnable + drop dragon flanks for good buff food.
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Yeah, I had to buy the prime glyphs for DK Frost spec last night, and one of them was going for over 90 gold still.
Dust of Disappearance could become a steady seller if the mats to make it become worth less than a reasonable selling price for it.
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I'm definitely loving my inscription alt. I've easily made more gold from inscription than I have from alchemy. To be fair though, when Cata first hit I was using the truegold xmutes for myself rather than selling them. That was a mistake I think. Now I've resorted to selling truegold xmutes to other players. Pay upfront, 100g and I keep any procs, or take a gamble and 300g they get to keep procs.
Back to inscription though, I find that books of glyph mastery are ridiculous but BECAUSE they're so rare now, if you get a good glyph you can make absolute bank. I've been selling Lifebloom glyphs for about 200g, 1 or 2 a day. The mysterious fortune cards don't sell for much on my server, maybe 10g each, which is still a lot for one card, but adding up the cost of mats from herbs and 10g doesn't really seem profitable when I could just sell the stack of herbs and make about twice as much as I would from milling it for cards.
I read that in the next patch they're going to add a JP dump to vendors where you can buy either 1 stack of 20 herbs or 1 stack of 20 ore for JP. Apparently on the test realm it's at 3000JP per stack, which is an absolute waste, but I've also heard they tend to inflate prices on test realms, and some people are speculating it'll be closer to 500JP on live.
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Urgh, Living Elements sharing the Truegold CD throws a wrench in my plans. Who'd have thought two high level transmutes would be on the same cooldown? Still, dammit.
Inscription is a crap profession. You can think that we are making bank with the cards (which is a mixture of bullshit and truth depending on your costs...unless your have an herber working full time to supply you herbs to mill, your spending a shitload on herbs just to skill up) but think about this. From 450-525 skill that is practically the ONLY item that we will sell. There are offhand and relics which simply are not really worth having from 80-85 as the ones from the Justice point dealer are better. The cards are the single item worth making to sell.
Back to inscription though, I find that books of glyph mastery are ridiculous but BECAUSE they're so rare now, if you get a good glyph you can make absolute bank. I've been selling Lifebloom glyphs for about 200g, 1 or 2 a day. The mysterious fortune cards don't sell for much on my server, maybe 10g each, which is still a lot for one card, but adding up the cost of mats from herbs and 10g doesn't really seem profitable when I could just sell the stack of herbs and make about twice as much as I would from milling it for cards.
I read that in the next patch they're going to add a JP dump to vendors where you can buy either 1 stack of 20 herbs or 1 stack of 20 ore for JP. Apparently on the test realm it's at 3000JP per stack, which is an absolute waste, but I've also heard they tend to inflate prices on test realms, and some people are speculating it'll be closer to 500JP on live.
See, this is IMO one of, if not, the biggest problem with Inscription. Blizzard has made it nearly impossible to get any of the new recipes. So what ends up happening, is scribes end up having to buy glyphs off the AH from some lucky douchebag who is ripping everyone off to the tune of hundreds of gold because he just so happened to be lucky. So what's the point of being a scribe then, if I can't even make and use my own glyphs for my own class?
Give me a daily vendor like JC for fucking fucks sake. At least let me make SOME progress toward new recipes. How hard is that??
If you are willing to spend like 10 heroics worth of JP on something that you can get yourself in five minutes then good god I don't even have words
EDIT: In fact all of those prices are just fucking stupid. I realize they said in the patch notes they'd be a high price or something but even if they cut the prices in half they'd still be fucking retarded and so would you if you bought them.
I am repeatedly amazed at how a group of people (Blizzard) was able to come up with one of the greatest games of all time, yet still fail spectacularly when it comes to common sense things.
I really want to know who the guy was in the meeting at Blizz headquarters that spoke up: "Hey you know what we really need to focus on right now, how hard it is to get ore. Let's allow players to purchase a stack for 3 weeks worth of Heroics JP, that seems about right."
Really? Ore and Herbs for JP? Ore and Herbs for JP is the best idea you can come up with right now with all these other huge glaring issues staring us in the face? Get out of my office you are fired.
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I wish it didn't take 3 days to get one cut but now I'm just bitching.
That's really my issue, in that it'll take, oh, about three weeks of daily playing to just get the cuts I want for my JCer (chimera eyes, or whatever they're called), and then another two weeks for the ones my alt will need, then another week or so to cover the major "request" gems ... and I still won't have everything I want.
I just dislike long, grindy quest chains
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Thankfully they don't seem to come up that often, I usually get stardust or goo which are fine.
I don't even mind grindy, the problem with the JC dailies is that you can't 'grind' them - you are stuck remembering to do them every day for months so your guild can have most of the cuts they need.
I am a freaking nerd.
I swear to god those are the easiest "dailies" ever. What, you want me to throw some dust on some dudes to make their hands glow? Really? Okay 10 seconds later I have my mark, see you tomorrow thanks!
It doesn't take that long to get the cuts you need, and if it's really urgent, you can always coordinate with other JC guildies so you have all the cuts covered.
Do you guys remember the Wrath JC dailies??
However, if you know what you're doing, the ores aren't even that bad. That's where I get my gems now. Yeah it sucks to not sell them outright, but the suckiness lessens when I know that I'll have whatever cuts I want from now on.
edit: Wavechaser, didn't you see my comment above where I say what a complete breeze they are?
I have max BS Alchemy, Tailoring, Enchanting, and JC. Which one requires me to do a daily for 3 days in a row to get one high level rec?
To be fair, Tailoring and Enchanting require you to be level 84 to get the premium patterns...
What takes longer, the total time for that daily over 3 days, or farming 10 Heavy Savage Leather (or the equivalent amount of gold, ~600g on my server on a good day)?
Equal maybe? Tol Barad is pretty sweet for Savage Leather.
I've started saving up my JC tokens for the inevitable release of Epic gems so I can just buy them all right away.
Maybe under absolutely ideal conditions (croc farm swarming with people killing crocs, everyone looting bodies, nobody else skinning, no PVP combat to worry about), then sure, you can farm up 50 savage leather pretty quickly.
Under other, less favorable conditions, no.
Just because you farmed it yourself doesn't mean it's "free."I dropped all of my gathering professions because I made more money with JC then I did farming herbs. Now I just buy the mats I need to make other things.
And yes, I agree that having the high level vendors be fucking phased is the dumbest shit ever. My tailor has 10 dream cloth and I'm still level 79 because I was an idiot and didn't level tailoring on my main for some reason.
One time when it was a "cut gems" daily, I cut my gems and didn't get credit for them. Then I realized it was because I was in a raid (it was almost raid time on a raid night). Fucking wonderful. Had to get 3 more gems, leave the raid, cut them, rejoin the raid, then turn in the quest.
Which brings us to the following: the "can't complete quests while in a raid group" mechanic is archaic and completely obsolete. It serves no worthwhile purpose anymore and should be done away with.
Now inscription. There is a profession that is completely and utterly fucked right now.
No new books of glyph mastery.
The only ink trader in the game right now is still located only in Dalaran. Want to make a recipe that requires shimmering ink? LOLOLOL go hoof it for half an hour or prepare to have a trash character parked in Dal to just sit there and mail mats to your inscriptionist. BRILLIANT. How fucking hard would it be to spawn a fucking ink trader in Org? O_o O_o O_o O_o
Glyphs, one time learn = AH fail.
Unless you are somehow the luckiest fuck on earth and have some rare new recipe, good luck making money on inscription anymore. I used to blow through glyphs on the AH like crazy, as of this week I've tried to sell the same 23 glyphs on the AH with zero success. The price has dropped steadily from ~70 gold per glyph to about 15 to 20 (normal glyphs). Even at 20 gold, I've yet to sell a single glyph.
The ones my inscriptionist doesn't have (because they are impossible to obtain), lol 600gold on the AH. "HI EVERYONE, IM AN INSCRIPTIONIST WHO HAS TO BUY HIS GLYPHS OFF THE AH!" Wait... wait what.
Whats the point? Aside from giving yourself a shoulder enchant, it's a complete and utter fucking joke of a profession.
But I also think it's also bad that scribes don't have an ... evergreen product, for lack of a better term. Scrolls are ... hardly ever used? I only use them when I've got some in my backpack and need to clear space.
They're in a place similar to Enchanters before Blizz put in the ability to make Scrolls of Enchant Whatever - well, I take that back, they're in a better position, because at least they can put *something* on the AH.
But still, yeah - bad spot for them.
EDIT: Heh - I love that the answer to "We don't have anything to sell!" is "Have you considered running a lottery?"
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They may be permanent now, but because of that they sell for alot more and they still sell frequently.
Another good spot are the elite stone drakes in Deepholm.
They're elite, but the giants knock them out of the air half dead. Kill them. They drop 30 silver to 1 gold 30 silver a kill + have a decent chance for green items + are skinnable + drop dragon flanks for good buff food.
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Dust of Disappearance could become a steady seller if the mats to make it become worth less than a reasonable selling price for it.
Back to inscription though, I find that books of glyph mastery are ridiculous but BECAUSE they're so rare now, if you get a good glyph you can make absolute bank. I've been selling Lifebloom glyphs for about 200g, 1 or 2 a day. The mysterious fortune cards don't sell for much on my server, maybe 10g each, which is still a lot for one card, but adding up the cost of mats from herbs and 10g doesn't really seem profitable when I could just sell the stack of herbs and make about twice as much as I would from milling it for cards.
I read that in the next patch they're going to add a JP dump to vendors where you can buy either 1 stack of 20 herbs or 1 stack of 20 ore for JP. Apparently on the test realm it's at 3000JP per stack, which is an absolute waste, but I've also heard they tend to inflate prices on test realms, and some people are speculating it'll be closer to 500JP on live.
See, this is IMO one of, if not, the biggest problem with Inscription. Blizzard has made it nearly impossible to get any of the new recipes. So what ends up happening, is scribes end up having to buy glyphs off the AH from some lucky douchebag who is ripping everyone off to the tune of hundreds of gold because he just so happened to be lucky. So what's the point of being a scribe then, if I can't even make and use my own glyphs for my own class?
Give me a daily vendor like JC for fucking fucks sake. At least let me make SOME progress toward new recipes. How hard is that??
You mean inscriptionatorasaurus. Why can't people get this right.
1 Hypnotic Dust 200
1 Greater Celestial Essence 800
1 Heavenly Shard 1,200
5 Savage Leather 750
20 Embersilk Cloth 2,500
20 Elementium Ore 2,000
Satchel of Freshly-Picked Herbs (20 random Cataclysm herbs) 3,000
A stack of Elementium ore should not cost more than 346 shoulders
If you are willing to spend like 10 heroics worth of JP on something that you can get yourself in five minutes then good god I don't even have words
EDIT: In fact all of those prices are just fucking stupid. I realize they said in the patch notes they'd be a high price or something but even if they cut the prices in half they'd still be fucking retarded and so would you if you bought them.
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I really want to know who the guy was in the meeting at Blizz headquarters that spoke up: "Hey you know what we really need to focus on right now, how hard it is to get ore. Let's allow players to purchase a stack for 3 weeks worth of Heroics JP, that seems about right."
Really? Ore and Herbs for JP? Ore and Herbs for JP is the best idea you can come up with right now with all these other huge glaring issues staring us in the face? Get out of my office you are fired.
Made it to 150 for about as much gold. Now I need iron, which I'm not paying out the ass for, so I'll just do laps around WPL while yammering on vent.
Even trying to defend it with that argument, those prices are stupid.