While the 'last expansion' content may seem silly to grind for, its still a bunch of dailies so its pretty easy money, and you get pretty hefty rep gains doing the dailies for a particular faction, which is worth maxing out due to price discounts and buying other mounts.
Sure i got it before cata came out but I knew that would be useful in the future. Along with the argent page that lets you vend things on the fly or visit mailbox once a day, its like im an engineer without the blowing things up.
So I hit the Deepholm Pocket Phase of Herbs* last night on my Priest. She is an Alchemist though, so I have a dilemma. Do I finish the questline and get to Therazane rep? Do I Drop Alchemy and train up Inscription to abuse this bug? Do I just abuse this bug long enough to farm up enough herbs for a Darkmoon card, then go ahead and get to therazane rep?
I think I know the answer, but be damned if I want to re-level a profession again right this second. And alchemy went so well with my Mains Jewelcrafting.
*Credit to the guy that found this wonderous place.
So I hit the Deepholm Pocket Phase of Herbs* last night on my Priest. She is an Alchemist though, so I have a dilemma. Do I finish the questline and get to Therazane rep? Do I Drop Alchemy and train up Inscription to abuse this bug? Do I just abuse this bug long enough to farm up enough herbs for a Darkmoon card, then go ahead and get to therazane rep?
I think I know the answer, but be damned if I want to re-level a profession again right this second. And alchemy went so well with my Mains Jewelcrafting.
*Credit to the guy that found this wonderous place.
Going to have to profess to ignorance here. What is this before I put my alt through Deepholm and pass it?
Step 1: Do the Earthen quest line in Deepholm until you get to "Rescue the Stonefather... and Flint" quest and leave it in your quest log uncompleted
Step 2: Fly around Needlerock Chasm picking up masses of uncontested Heartblossom and Cinderbloom any time you feel like it
Step 3: Puppet
As I said in the chat, please abuse this because then you end up helping all of the herbers on your server who've passed by the phase already by allowing the herbs to circulate properly again.
Step 1: Do the Earthen quest line in Deepholm until you get to "Rescue the Stonefather... and Flint" quest and leave it in your quest log uncompleted
Step 2: Fly around Needlerock Chasm picking up masses of uncontested Heartblossom and Cinderbloom any time you feel like it
Step 3: Puppet
As I said in the chat, please abuse this because then you end up helping all of the herbers on your server who've passed by the phase already by allowing the herbs to circulate properly again.
Ok I'll do it. FOR YOU GUYS.
EDIT: dried up pretty quick, but since you said it repops the herbs across the zone, I assume I just have to check back occasionally.
you can get faction rep by just putting a tabard on and running the five mans you'd run anyway
That was already discussed. I'm now at the point where I have no reason to run a heroic except for 70 VPs, and due to their annoyance/crappiness this time around, I don't even bother to some days. It's a pretty slow go though when you figure you have to go through five reps (four for me now, since Org is exalted, but still).
And all this defense still doesn't touch the original point:
Step 1: Do the Earthen quest line in Deepholm until you get to "Rescue the Stonefather... and Flint" quest and leave it in your quest log uncompleted
Step 2: Fly around Needlerock Chasm picking up masses of uncontested Heartblossom and Cinderbloom any time you feel like it
Step 3: Puppet
As I said in the chat, please abuse this because then you end up helping all of the herbers on your server who've passed by the phase already by allowing the herbs to circulate properly again.
Man I posted that in the last chat threat, where's my credit HUH?! :P
Anyway, as to questions of whether to keep that quest or do it to progress through to Tharazine, my plan is to herb that place as much as I can until it gets changed/fixed, and then continue the quest line.
you can get faction rep by just putting a tabard on and running the five mans you'd run anyway
That was already discussed. I'm now at the point where I have no reason to run a heroic except for 70 VPs, and due to their annoyance/crappiness this time around, I don't even bother to some days. It's a pretty slow go though when you figure you have to go through five reps (four for me now, since Org is exalted, but still).
And all this defense still doesn't touch the original point:
Yeah the rep grind was pretty crazy easy this time around. Most of the actual 'grind' was only from revered to exalted, since all the factions had a large number of quests associated with them, and those that didn't have a bunch of quests had dailies to help with the dungeon rep. Getting rep has only gotten easier and faster with each expansion
Theres no sense in leveling an inscription profession purely for that reason. Just find a friendly inscriptionist to churn out the cards for you at a small profit then sell them for big profit.
it's awesome that you think that, I guess? The faction grind is still pretty much the easiest it's ever been.
I'm not sure how you wind up playing this game a long time without becoming comfortable with that kind of long, low-intensity grind.
You can also get city rep using the tabard on the old, low level dungeons right? I know people got Exalted with Bilgewater Cartel in less than a day by exploiting the 7 Dwarf encounter in BRD (has since been fixed) or just running through old dungeons.
There are legit things to complain about....rep with the home cities is not one of them.
Here's a query to you fine folk, though.
Maelstrom shards. Should they have made it so they could be bought with JP's?
I am creating truegolds and selling them as fast as possible to get Maelstroms and just wiped out the crappy server AH I'm on. Only ones left are going at 4k per shard.
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Well the thing about maelstrom shards...sure everyone wants the best shit immediately but i dont really find it hard to expect that epic level enchants are not instantly available to everyone. Soon enough your guild will be DE'ing epics and again the highest level ingredient will be cheap to come by.
Since blizzard typically doesnt put in alot of new profession content in the major patches to an expansion, they probably want these to last while people make due with the cheaper versions.
Also, you get a pretty damn hefty chunk of rep just going through the level 1-20 areas for each faction. At level 85 it should take you like 10 minutes to knock out each one, what with epic flying and all.
Anyone have a pretty complete database for Archaelogy? I'm using that ArhHelper addon and it works great, but would be much better with a complete database. The one I have seems like its about 50, maybe 60%, complete?
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Well the thing about maelstrom shards...sure everyone wants the best shit immediately but i dont really find it hard to expect that epic level enchants are not instantly available to everyone. Soon enough your guild will be DE'ing epics and again the highest level ingredient will be cheap to come by.
Since blizzard typically doesnt put in alot of new profession content in the major patches to an expansion, they probably want these to last while people make due with the cheaper versions.
We are already DEing epics because we are a 10 man and have no raiding rogue or raiding druid. So that means leather drops and daggers go bye bye. I think we have seen that dagger drop twice off of Omni and lots of leather so far. Plus you have that gear drop that is a minor upgrade over rep exalted epics, if that. We have been selling our shards though.
I do kind of hate that 4.0 changed the spillover rep to not go past 5999 Friendly. That is really annoying and needs to be reverted.
Especially with the Elders giving 75 "Alliance" or "Horde" rep that doesn't actually give you anything at all if you're past Friendly with all cities.
I do kind of hate that 4.0 changed the spillover rep to not go past 5999 Friendly. That is really annoying and needs to be reverted.
Especially with the Elders giving 75 "Alliance" or "Horde" rep that doesn't actually give you anything at all if you're past Friendly with all cities.
Is that why I'm not getting rep? FFS, c'mon now, Blizz.
You can also get city rep using the tabard on the old, low level dungeons right? I know people got Exalted with Bilgewater Cartel in less than a day by exploiting the 7 Dwarf encounter in BRD (has since been fixed) or just running through old dungeons.
There are legit things to complain about....rep with the home cities is not one of them.
Getting exalted with the home city factions isn't difficult. But the original point of forty's post was having to get exalted champion with the argent tournament in order to obtain the tabard with the hearth on it.
A month of dailies, exalted champion with all the factions....to even get access to a tabard that would have been extremely useful to have BEFORE you reached that point.
That conversion rate is so bad I'll probably just continue to buy heirlooms I'll probably never actually use rather than this shit. Even with the retarded 15-minute trip to Dalaran because Cataclysm has brought back the Vanilla mentality of "inconvenience and wasted time are cornerstones of MMO design."
6000g (minus faction discount?) = Dalaran Ring = Free port to Dalaran forever :P
I just use the argent tornament tabard that ports you to the tornament grounds, fly to dal, then hearth back to ogimmar via guild cloak. that way i can have my hearthstone somewhere else.
I would do that if the requirements to buy the tabard weren't massively retarded. Exalted champion with every city? Go fuck yourself, whoever made that decision. It should have become available after championing one city.
I think Forty is 100% correct in regards to Argent Tournament Dailies. They, much like ToC, are probably the worst things about WotLK. They were just bad.
Bitching about just the rep, though, when that part is the easy part, is kind of silly.
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Well the thing about maelstrom shards...sure everyone wants the best shit immediately but i dont really find it hard to expect that epic level enchants are not instantly available to everyone. Soon enough your guild will be DE'ing epics and again the highest level ingredient will be cheap to come by.
Since blizzard typically doesnt put in alot of new profession content in the major patches to an expansion, they probably want these to last while people make due with the cheaper versions.
We are already DEing epics because we are a 10 man and have no raiding rogue or raiding druid. So that means leather drops and daggers go bye bye. I think we have seen that dagger drop twice off of Omni and lots of leather so far. Plus you have that gear drop that is a minor upgrade over rep exalted epics, if that. We have been selling our shards though.
~ waves of hate ~
But seriously, somehow I have gotten a buttload of Rogue drops from raids so far, so I'm not really complaining. The first couple bosses in all of them seem to love to drop them. Hopefully the dagger drops from Omnitron this week (which I'm sure we'll get down, we haven't actually tried it yet), especially since I won't even have the ferals trying to outroll me on that :P
I think Forty is 100% correct in regards to Argent Tournament Dailies. They, much like ToC, are probably the worst things about WotLK. They were just bad.
Bitching about just the rep, though, when that part is the easy part, is kind of silly.
The only really bad thing about the AT dailies were the damn vehicle jousting ones. Those will always suck (especially the "fly all the freaking way to the other end of the zone to joust three dudes that are annoying then fly back" one).
I never really had an issue with the rep and such, even on my orc who was not repped well with anyone. If you are really hurting, you can always take the writ or whatever and get extra rep consumables. Or, you know, run starter zones :P
You can also get city rep using the tabard on the old, low level dungeons right? I know people got Exalted with Bilgewater Cartel in less than a day by exploiting the 7 Dwarf encounter in BRD (has since been fixed) or just running through old dungeons.
There are legit things to complain about....rep with the home cities is not one of them.
Getting exalted with the home city factions isn't difficult. But the original point of forty's post was having to get exalted champion with the argent tournament in order to obtain the tabard with the hearth on it.
A month of dailies, exalted champion with all the factions....to even get access to a tabard that would have been extremely useful to have BEFORE you reached that point.
It was never designed for lvl 85s to be able to easily get back to Northrend though. Which is why it's still set up that way.
Yeah the rep grind was pretty crazy easy this time around. Most of the actual 'grind' was only from revered to exalted, since all the factions had a large number of quests associated with them, and those that didn't have a bunch of quests had dailies to help with the dungeon rep. Getting rep has only gotten easier and faster with each expansion
I'm talking about the Horde factions + Argent Tournament here, actually. If you pay attention to the entire discussion, you'll see that it's about travel to Northrend, not buying other faction mounts or whatever cosmetic crap I'd do with exalted horde reps.
it's awesome that you think that, I guess? The faction grind is still pretty much the easiest it's ever been.
I'm not sure how you wind up playing this game a long time without becoming comfortable with that kind of long, low-intensity grind.
You can also get city rep using the tabard on the old, low level dungeons right? I know people got Exalted with Bilgewater Cartel in less than a day by exploiting the 7 Dwarf encounter in BRD (has since been fixed) or just running through old dungeons.
You only get rep if the dungeon is level appropriate, so no.
Getting exalted with the home city factions isn't difficult. But the original point of forty's post was having to get exalted champion with the argent tournament in order to obtain the tabard with the hearth on it.
A month of dailies, exalted champion with all the factions....to even get access to a tabard that would have been extremely useful to have BEFORE you reached that point.
Exactly. It was stupid back in WotLK, as well. "Here's this convenient porter item long after you really could have used it."
That some people think the burden should be on the players to do days worth of grinding to get moderately convenient access to vendors that are relevant at level 85 rather than Blizzard to make equivalent vendors available in Org/SW (or provide some other sort of reasonable access to them) makes my head hurt. I think excessive exposure to MMO design causes brain damage.
I don't understand what you are getting at, at this point. If all you want is to stop by the heirloom vendors, it doesn't take very long to fly out there.
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Just buy the ring, then. In Wrath it was considered pretty pricey, but if you're arguing from the perspective of an 85, it's not that expensive.
Could it possibly have been made to be more conveneint, yeah, sure, but there are enough reasonable options where complaining about it isn't really justified
So they bumped the vendor prices of grey archaeology items back down. The dwarf 1k common that I've had sitting in my book waiting for the patch is now 350
Those vendors are only 85-relevant if you are already out there grinding that shit out.
Out where grinding what shit out? Justice Points? Inks?
I was talking about Tournament vendors.
If you mean getting to Dalaran, I'd agree the Ink vendor should be moved.
As should apparently the Heirloom vendor, who I didn't even realise was still only in Dal. Damn that's dumb.
They will most likely move it when they make them 1-85... till then its not as dumb because I would say most people are getting to the point where JP are worthless. I have personally have 1 thing to buy for my dps set and then perhaps the 1h OH because I hear that is getting a boost in the patch.
Till then they are 1-80 only and its not that hard to get to dal.
So they bumped the vendor prices of grey archaeology items back down. The dwarf 1k common that I've had sitting in my book waiting for the patch is now 350
More like they evened them out. There were a few that went for several hundred gold, and many still went for a few silver, now none go for cheaper than a gold and there are many more that go for 20-50 gold.
So they bumped the vendor prices of grey archaeology items back down. The dwarf 1k common that I've had sitting in my book waiting for the patch is now 350
More like they evened them out. There were a few that went for several hundred gold, and many still went for a few silver, now none go for cheaper than a gold and there are many more that go for 20-50 gold.
I have 2 of the 100 gold items as my next solves (one tolvir, one night elf). And I'm pretty sure I'll get at least 2 kraken imprints for 200 gold when I burn through my several hundred fossil fragments. I've decided to wait for the patch before I solve anything as well, so I'm jsut stocking fragments until it hits.
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Just buy the ring, then. In Wrath it was considered pretty pricey, but if you're arguing from the perspective of an 85, it's not that expensive.
Could it possibly have been made to be more conveneint, yeah, sure, but there are enough reasonable options where complaining about it isn't really justified
This is actually the sort of mentality that never gets anything fixed in persistent games.
Bitching about it on a forum doesn't change anything either, especially when that forum isn't official.
You're complaining about something they specifically added in the game (or rather specifically removed). I'm sure there's a reason they don't want people standing around dalaran anymore. I, too, think the heirloom vendor and the ink trader should be in the major cities, too.
So arguments that dalaran is hard to get to fall on deaf ears. Arguments that those two vendors should now be in SW/Org get a head nod but are probably low on the priority list.
Bitching about it on a forum doesn't change anything either, especially when that forum isn't official.
OK, just make sure you post this as a reply to every single complaint post in this forum from here on out. Since this is the professions thread, and considering the current state of professions, you're going to have your work cut out for you.
So arguments that dalaran is hard to get to fall on deaf ears. Arguments that those two vendors should now be in SW/Org get a head nod but are probably low on the priority list.
If you've paid any actual attention to the changes that have been made since Cata released, you'd see that the "priority list" is erratic as fuck and all sorts of things, both inconsequential and major, get fixed seemingly at random.
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Sure i got it before cata came out but I knew that would be useful in the future. Along with the argent page that lets you vend things on the fly or visit mailbox once a day, its like im an engineer without the blowing things up.
I think I know the answer, but be damned if I want to re-level a profession again right this second. And alchemy went so well with my Mains Jewelcrafting.
*Credit to the guy that found this wonderous place.
Going to have to profess to ignorance here. What is this before I put my alt through Deepholm and pass it?
The answer is you get an alt to farm herbs and keep them there.
As I said in the chat, please abuse this because then you end up helping all of the herbers on your server who've passed by the phase already by allowing the herbs to circulate properly again.
Ok I'll do it. FOR YOU GUYS.
EDIT: dried up pretty quick, but since you said it repops the herbs across the zone, I assume I just have to check back occasionally.
And all this defense still doesn't touch the original point:
Man I posted that in the last chat threat, where's my credit HUH?! :P
Anyway, as to questions of whether to keep that quest or do it to progress through to Tharazine, my plan is to herb that place as much as I can until it gets changed/fixed, and then continue the quest line.
it's awesome that you think that, I guess? The faction grind is still pretty much the easiest it's ever been.
I'm not sure how you wind up playing this game a long time without becoming comfortable with that kind of long, low-intensity grind.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
You can also get city rep using the tabard on the old, low level dungeons right? I know people got Exalted with Bilgewater Cartel in less than a day by exploiting the 7 Dwarf encounter in BRD (has since been fixed) or just running through old dungeons.
There are legit things to complain about....rep with the home cities is not one of them.
Here's a query to you fine folk, though.
Maelstrom shards. Should they have made it so they could be bought with JP's?
I am creating truegolds and selling them as fast as possible to get Maelstroms and just wiped out the crappy server AH I'm on. Only ones left are going at 4k per shard.
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Since blizzard typically doesnt put in alot of new profession content in the major patches to an expansion, they probably want these to last while people make due with the cheaper versions.
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We are already DEing epics because we are a 10 man and have no raiding rogue or raiding druid. So that means leather drops and daggers go bye bye. I think we have seen that dagger drop twice off of Omni and lots of leather so far. Plus you have that gear drop that is a minor upgrade over rep exalted epics, if that. We have been selling our shards though.
Especially with the Elders giving 75 "Alliance" or "Horde" rep that doesn't actually give you anything at all if you're past Friendly with all cities.
Is that why I'm not getting rep? FFS, c'mon now, Blizz.
Getting exalted with the home city factions isn't difficult. But the original point of forty's post was having to get exalted champion with the argent tournament in order to obtain the tabard with the hearth on it.
A month of dailies, exalted champion with all the factions....to even get access to a tabard that would have been extremely useful to have BEFORE you reached that point.
I tend to agree with forty.
I think Forty is 100% correct in regards to Argent Tournament Dailies. They, much like ToC, are probably the worst things about WotLK. They were just bad.
Bitching about just the rep, though, when that part is the easy part, is kind of silly.
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But seriously, somehow I have gotten a buttload of Rogue drops from raids so far, so I'm not really complaining. The first couple bosses in all of them seem to love to drop them. Hopefully the dagger drops from Omnitron this week (which I'm sure we'll get down, we haven't actually tried it yet), especially since I won't even have the ferals trying to outroll me on that :P
Edit: The only really bad thing about the AT dailies were the damn vehicle jousting ones. Those will always suck (especially the "fly all the freaking way to the other end of the zone to joust three dudes that are annoying then fly back" one).
I never really had an issue with the rep and such, even on my orc who was not repped well with anyone. If you are really hurting, you can always take the writ or whatever and get extra rep consumables. Or, you know, run starter zones :P
It was never designed for lvl 85s to be able to easily get back to Northrend though. Which is why it's still set up that way.
You only get rep if the dungeon is level appropriate, so no.
Exactly. It was stupid back in WotLK, as well. "Here's this convenient porter item long after you really could have used it."
That some people think the burden should be on the players to do days worth of grinding to get moderately convenient access to vendors that are relevant at level 85 rather than Blizzard to make equivalent vendors available in Org/SW (or provide some other sort of reasonable access to them) makes my head hurt. I think excessive exposure to MMO design causes brain damage.
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Yeah, yeah, but fuck mages.
I was talking about Tournament vendors.
If you mean getting to Dalaran, I'd agree the Ink vendor should be moved.
As should apparently the Heirloom vendor, who I didn't even realise was still only in Dal. Damn that's dumb.
Could it possibly have been made to be more conveneint, yeah, sure, but there are enough reasonable options where complaining about it isn't really justified
Other than potential gold from selling crafted items of course.
They will most likely move it when they make them 1-85... till then its not as dumb because I would say most people are getting to the point where JP are worthless. I have personally have 1 thing to buy for my dps set and then perhaps the 1h OH because I hear that is getting a boost in the patch.
Till then they are 1-80 only and its not that hard to get to dal.
More like they evened them out. There were a few that went for several hundred gold, and many still went for a few silver, now none go for cheaper than a gold and there are many more that go for 20-50 gold.
I have 2 of the 100 gold items as my next solves (one tolvir, one night elf). And I'm pretty sure I'll get at least 2 kraken imprints for 200 gold when I burn through my several hundred fossil fragments. I've decided to wait for the patch before I solve anything as well, so I'm jsut stocking fragments until it hits.
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This is actually the sort of mentality that never gets anything fixed in persistent games.
You're complaining about something they specifically added in the game (or rather specifically removed). I'm sure there's a reason they don't want people standing around dalaran anymore. I, too, think the heirloom vendor and the ink trader should be in the major cities, too.
So arguments that dalaran is hard to get to fall on deaf ears. Arguments that those two vendors should now be in SW/Org get a head nod but are probably low on the priority list.
If you've paid any actual attention to the changes that have been made since Cata released, you'd see that the "priority list" is erratic as fuck and all sorts of things, both inconsequential and major, get fixed seemingly at random.