You all have the privilege of living your lives in such a manner that you may, hopefully, never have to even consider having to make the choice that she had to make. It doesn't fucking matter how "dumb" you think her actions were; you weren't there. Most of you, thankfully, haven't even been close to that situation.
To sit here on a fucking safe, secure, internet forum and judge her actions is beyond low. If you can't recognize how incredibly offensive you are being then I honestly worry about your capacity to empathize.
I've been held up and have knives pulled on me multiple times
maybe you should not try and counter self-righteousness with self-righteousness
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
You all have the privilege of living your lives in such a manner that you may, hopefully, never have to even consider having to make the choice that she had to make. It doesn't fucking matter how "dumb" you think her actions were; you weren't there. Most of you, thankfully, haven't even been close to that situation.
To sit here on a fucking safe, secure, internet forum and judge her actions is beyond low. If you can't recognize how incredibly offensive you are being then I honestly worry about your capacity to empathize.
I've been held up and have knives pulled on me multiple times
maybe you should not try and counter self-righteousness with self-righteousness
EDIT: oh also, I have helped teach women's self-defense classes, where the first thing you fucking teach is that nothing is worth your life
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited December 2010
basically, being "brave" and playing the hero is how people wind up getting killed
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In an environment of extreme controversy, where both sides must make compromises to get to a solution involving some tax increases and some spending cuts which will lower the deficit
the Senate of the United States of America comes up with
In an environment of extreme controversy, where both sides must make compromises to get to a solution involving some tax increases and some spending cuts which will lower the deficit
the Senate of the United States of America comes up with
I can understand her mindset and still call it stupid and reckless
I think there's a fine line between saying that her actions weren't the best and calling her "stupid" or "dumb."
It's absurd to label her, as an individual, "dumb" because she was ignorant of something (the best method of dealing with her situation) and acted out of a sense of altruism.
I can understand her mindset and still call it stupid and reckless
I think there's a fine line between saying that her actions weren't the best and calling her "stupid" or "dumb."
It's absurd to label her, as an individual, "dumb" because she was ignorant of something (the best method of dealing with her situation) and acted out of a sense of altruism.
As far as whether it's dumb or heroic or both to do something that seems pointless in hindsight in a deadly situation, I think it also is highly contingent on the circumstances. If someone's drowning and there's no one else nearby able to help, then the person who can barely swim jumping into the water to try to save them is at least trying to help when other help isn't available. Now, if there are better trained/equipped people already helping with the rescue, like rescue divers, then yeah it would be stupid for some onlooker to just jump into the water to try and help out. And that's what I think sets her apart from someone just blatantly being stupid. At that point in time, there was no one else there to help them and she was trying to prevent the loss of life. It was a ballsy move, and it probably wasn't a rational move, but I can't fault her for doing it. Props to her for trying to stop the fucker.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I can understand her mindset and still call it stupid and reckless
I think there's a fine line between saying that her actions weren't the best and calling her "stupid" or "dumb."
It's absurd to label her, as an individual, "dumb" because she was ignorant of something (the best method of dealing with her situation) and acted out of a sense of altruism.
I think most people (me for certain) were applying dumb to her actions.
It was not a blanket statement about her mental capacity.
I think there's a fine line between saying that her actions weren't the best and calling her "stupid" or "dumb."
It's absurd to label her, as an individual, "dumb" because she was ignorant of something (the best method of dealing with her situation) and acted out of a sense of altruism.
I think it's a little silly to qualify comments on a videogame forum so severely. I mean, sure, some people probably honestly think this way about everything. But for most people these aren't the pronounced summations of rigorous examination. It's shorthand bs-ing. And the people who are sincerely cold and lacking empathy aren't about to be swayed by your bitching. You know that.
EDIT: oh also, I have helped teach women's self-defense classes, where the first thing you fucking teach is that nothing is worth your life
But this wasn't a robbery over goods. This is a crazy guy who is spouting off things that seem to imply his only interest is harm. There's the potential to reason with the guy, but it's hard to assume it's a default option. If she wanted to jump in, she just needed to find a nearby fire extinguisher and hit him with that instead.
The one thing I think we can all agree on is that if everyone there had been issued a fully automatic assault rifle at the age of 12 and were obligated by law to carry it at all times, this never would have happened, and nothing bad would ever happen again. Compulsory 2nd Amendment for all!
I think in this case, having armed people in the audience would have been a good thing, to tell the truth. if that lady would have had a gun instead of a purse, would things have gone down the same way?
The one thing I think we can all agree on is that if everyone there had been issued a fully automatic assault rifle at the age of 12 and were obligated by law to carry it at all times, this never would have happened, and nothing bad would ever happen again. Compulsory 2nd Amendment for all!
Don't they have something sort of like that in Switzerland?
The one thing I think we can all agree on is that if everyone there had been issued a fully automatic assault rifle at the age of 12 and were obligated by law to carry it at all times, this never would have happened, and nothing bad would ever happen again. Compulsory 2nd Amendment for all!
Don't they have something sort of like that in Switzerland?
I think it's something where, after finishing compulsory service in the army, people keep their weapons with them.
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Snowbeati need somethingto kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
they hold on to fully automatic sig 550 rifles until they turn 40 (i think)
The one thing I think we can all agree on is that if everyone there had been issued a fully automatic assault rifle at the age of 12 and were obligated by law to carry it at all times, this never would have happened, and nothing bad would ever happen again. Compulsory 2nd Amendment for all!
Don't they have something sort of like that in Switzerland?
I think it's something where, after finishing compulsory service in the army, people keep their weapons with them.
only the knives
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I think in this case, having armed people in the audience would have been a good thing, to tell the truth. if that lady would have had a gun instead of a purse, would things have gone down the same way?
you mean it would have gone down with no injuries other than the shooter?
I think in this case, having armed people in the audience would have been a good thing, to tell the truth. if that lady would have had a gun instead of a purse, would things have gone down the same way?
you mean it would have gone down with no injuries other than the shooter?
the way it already went down?
I think he's implying they could have finished the meeting afterwards.
Well I mean, no injuries is a straight up miracle, that is not how it should have gone down. In a normal scenario, that supervisor at least is dead, and maybe that other guy he shot at.
I think in this case, having armed people in the audience would have been a good thing, to tell the truth. if that lady would have had a gun instead of a purse, would things have gone down the same way?
you mean it would have gone down with no injuries other than the shooter?
the way it already went down?
Someone would have done that quick draw thing from the movies and shot the gun out of his hand before he could pull the trigger.
Then the marshal would have rode up on his horse and took the man to the pokey.
That is not in any way to say that I agree people should have been packing heat, just that the fact that no one was hurt is not really a factor in this hypothetical scenario. The guy got off shots at basically point blank range. There should have been casualties.
Personally, I think that adding civilians with guns into that mix would actually have a higher probability of more casualties.
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I've been held up and have knives pulled on me multiple times
maybe you should not try and counter self-righteousness with self-righteousness
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EDIT: oh also, I have helped teach women's self-defense classes, where the first thing you fucking teach is that nothing is worth your life
In an environment of extreme controversy, where both sides must make compromises to get to a solution involving some tax increases and some spending cuts which will lower the deficit
the Senate of the United States of America comes up with
no new taxes and increased spending
good fucking work
Wait, are you saying it's dickish because they're implying something with the word "Biutiful"?
Because that's the name of a Spanish film he's starring in.
ah, wow, i thought they were making fun of her accent
-1 dickish points article
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I can understand her mindset and still call it stupid and reckless
whatever commie
maybe you should go back to africa
It's absurd to label her, as an individual, "dumb" because she was ignorant of something (the best method of dealing with her situation) and acted out of a sense of altruism.
I'm gay
can I have sex with Penelope cruz
I think most people (me for certain) were applying dumb to her actions.
It was not a blanket statement about her mental capacity.
More fucking tax cuts
this
ain't
over
Also, I'm going to write about Caesar's depiction of the Gauls in De Bello Gallico.
Preview: He wants to kill them!
Fuck! He knows Latin! *runs away*
I think it's a little silly to qualify comments on a videogame forum so severely. I mean, sure, some people probably honestly think this way about everything. But for most people these aren't the pronounced summations of rigorous examination. It's shorthand bs-ing. And the people who are sincerely cold and lacking empathy aren't about to be swayed by your bitching. You know that.
But this wasn't a robbery over goods. This is a crazy guy who is spouting off things that seem to imply his only interest is harm. There's the potential to reason with the guy, but it's hard to assume it's a default option. If she wanted to jump in, she just needed to find a nearby fire extinguisher and hit him with that instead.
Don't they have something sort of like that in Switzerland?
I think it's something where, after finishing compulsory service in the army, people keep their weapons with them.
only the knives
you mean it would have gone down with no injuries other than the shooter?
the way it already went down?
I think he's implying they could have finished the meeting afterwards.
Someone would have done that quick draw thing from the movies and shot the gun out of his hand before he could pull the trigger.
Then the marshal would have rode up on his horse and took the man to the pokey.
Personally, I think that adding civilians with guns into that mix would actually have a higher probability of more casualties.