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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    japan wrote: »
    Whenever it comes to weird or apparently mystifyingly complex innate behaviours I always try to remember that other animals do not necessarily perceive the world in remotely the same way we do.

    I mean, cuttlefish can perceive the polarisation of light but not colour. There is no confortable way to try and empathetically visualise what that's like, and it's really difficult to fully grasp what that means in terms of how a cuttlefish interacts with the world.

    stopppp ittttt

    you know a very small subset of the population can see the plane of polarized light

    and you know that a very small subset of the population can see into the far red spectrum

    guess who cant

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    japan wrote: »
    Whenever it comes to weird or apparently mystifyingly complex innate behaviours I always try to remember that other animals do not necessarily perceive the world in remotely the same way we do.

    I mean, cuttlefish can perceive the polarisation of light but not colour. There is no confortable way to try and empathetically visualise what that's like, and it's really difficult to fully grasp what that means in terms of how a cuttlefish interacts with the world.

    You can train your eyes to see the polarization of light. It's kind of weird/neat

    http://www.polarization.com/haidinger/haidinger.html

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Man, now I'm all out of wack. My brother believes, without evidence, that aliens explain world religions and I'm all upset because I might have hurt his feelings

    seems to me you're being too harsh on yourself.

    it depends how mean you were about it; i have felt guilty for flipping out on someone who was talking about creationism when really i looked like a fool because i should have been calm and reasonable

    if you WERE calm and reasonable, then yeah you are being too harsh

    I compared him to people who invent religions because they lack the capacity or will to more logically analyze the natural world.

    Treat his beliefs no differently than you do any other story you do not believe in, unless his laser lotus cult leader is asking for 50,000 dollars or something.

    Then it is your obligation and duty as a family member to try and save him.

    until then, let him have his faith.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Man, now I'm all out of wack. My brother believes, without evidence, that aliens explain world religions and I'm all upset because I might have hurt his feelings

    seems to me you're being too harsh on yourself.

    I guess I'm just wondering what the best way to handle things like this, and the fact that it involves someone I really care bout it mixed things up even more. I mean, this is an asinine assertion and he's not even trying to be logical about it. On the other hand, he's a man now and he's entitled to believe as he wishes.

    So what am I supposed to do when a man I care about tries to share, in earnest excitement, his beliefs about alien gods?

    same thing you do when a person you care about tries to share, in earnest excitement, their beliefs about jesus?

    Man, I'm way more passive with established religions. My dad is really into Jesus and with him I just kinda shrug and go "whatever, don't really want to hear about it."

    ...

    Oooooooh

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    also like i said- we don't know what its like to be an animal

    what if some spiders are like super smart

    but only at making webs or catching prey
    the spoiler is that is pretty much the truth

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    DAMNT DUE I TRIED THAT FOR WEEKS AND IT DIDNT WORK

    why did you link it

    noooo

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    it is interesting that when someone says they believe in alien gods you're all "make him see reason" but when someone says they believe in regular old gods doing that is bad

    unless he's going to drink the spirit juice to pierce the veil just try to make him keep it more to himself

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    So Putin's mistress is certainly...flexible.

    :shock:

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    It sucks realizing how many sense other animals have that you don't.

    I want that ability that platypuses and hammerhead sharks have.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Damn it, I can't find a video of that bit from Black Books with Bernard and the guys that want to share their love of Jesus with him.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Man, crazy people have all the advantage in spreading ideas about the world. Real facts are dry and not everyone is Carl Sagan. Crazy stories make easy reading and people often want to believe them.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    Why?

    What does that accomplish aside from potentially ostracizing him from his brother?

    chances are, he will pull his head out of his ass in the next few years. Having not treated him like a subhuman while he chased fairytales will make it easier for him to grab a beer and watch a game with you in your 30s and 40s.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    also like i said- we don't know what its like to be an animal

    what if some spiders are like super smart

    but only at making webs or catching prey
    the spoiler is that is pretty much the truth

    yeah see. i get this man. i have a lot of arguments with the lady who is way deep into psychology.

    she is all "animals are super dumb etc."

    and i am like

    "well. but."

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    So Putin's mistress is certainly...flexible.

    :shock:

    Rhythmic Gymnast. Which is about as flexible a sport as they get. But god damn.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Why would Putin only have one mistress? He should have at least several dozen like the alpha dog he is.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    So Putin's mistress is certainly...flexible.

    :shock:

    Rhythmic Gymnast. Which is about as flexible a sport as they get. But god damn.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

    Cept one is indoctrinated into society and the other is a person willingly and individually making the choice to be loony.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

    I do/did and I feel like it was/is a dumb way to go about it

    So I am trying to be less acerbic about silly beliefs in general

    but that doesnt mean i wont argue about them

    just that i will try to be less of a goose about them

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    grossssssssss

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

    The difference for me is I care a lot about my brother and I want him to develop an intellectually curious and honest mindset, but I also don't want him to feel disrespected. Problem is he's a very sensitive sort.

    I guess I have to choose. At this point I'm just suggesting that it would be more intellectually honest to suggest "I don't know how early history phenomena happened" than it would be to root his entire belief system to a hypothesis he can't test. But it might be time to drop it because I don't want to start shit.

    Sorry, [chat]. I got kinda wacked out there.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Why would Putin only have one mistress? He should have at least several dozen like the alpha dog he is.

    because he doesn't pretend to be the alpha dog, he is the alpha dog

    he could have as many he wanted, and that is still true no matter how many he has at the moment

    poseurs would grab as many as they can to try to give that impression

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    also like i said- we don't know what its like to be an animal

    what if some spiders are like super smart

    but only at making webs or catching prey
    the spoiler is that is pretty much the truth

    yeah see. i get this man. i have a lot of arguments with the lady who is way deep into psychology.

    she is all "animals are super dumb etc."

    and i am like

    "well. but."

    i agree with you

    i am like

    yeah but

    bees have a language of sorts

    Arch on
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Why would Putin only have one mistress? He should have at least several dozen like the alpha dog he is.

    Unlike lesser men he doesn't have a short attention span.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    it is interesting that when someone says they believe in alien gods you're all "make him see reason" but when someone says they believe in regular old gods doing that is bad

    unless he's going to drink the spirit juice to pierce the veil just try to make him keep it more to himself

    man that is completely wrong-headed

    Old timey religions that have survived to this day have a certain amount of acceptability due to age and historical accident. There's no getting around this.

    However, the take home message is not "therefore when some dullard starts spouting hippie-dippy alien crystal nonsense that would need 3 rewrites just to be a below-average episode of Stargate, treat him with respect and dignity because hey it's all cool man"

    it's

    "berate his stupid ass until he cries". Don't expand the privilege accorded to certain schools of sloppy thought to everything. That's just insane.

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

    The difference for me is I care a lot about my brother and I want him to develop an intellectually curious and honest mindset, but I also don't want him to feel disrespected. Problem is he's a very sensitive sort.

    I guess I have to choose. At this point I'm just suggesting that it would be more intellectually honest to suggest "I don't know how early history phenomena happened" than it would be to root his entire belief system to a hypothesis he can't test. But it might be time to drop it because I don't want to start shit.

    Sorry, [chat]. I got kinda wacked out there.

    it's kind of hard to change someone's way of thinking

    I dunno, keep seeding intellectually curious thoughts in his head?

    I mean even if he keeps the alien faith he'd be a better person

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I just don't get 30 rock

    god are you even human

    well I am from new jersey

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong This post is sure to please my friends and everyone else as well Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Man, now I'm all out of wack. My brother believes, without evidence, that aliens explain world religions and I'm all upset because I might have hurt his feelings

    seems to me you're being too harsh on yourself.

    I guess I'm just wondering what the best way to handle things like this, and the fact that it involves someone I really care bout it mixed things up even more. I mean, this is an asinine assertion and he's not even trying to be logical about it. On the other hand, he's a man now and he's entitled to believe as he wishes.

    So what am I supposed to do when a man I care about tries to share, in earnest excitement, his beliefs about alien gods?

    I had a friend in college like this. He was smart enough to question a lot of things about how the world works but not smart enough to reject the most stupid explanations in the face of monumental proof. My friends and I would stage interventions about certain beliefs of his. We would learn all we could about them, then have long discussions where we would tactfully hack away at the crazy from all sides while being absolutely certain we understood EXACTLY what it was. Because to someone who believes that alien god kings built the pyramids and showed us electricity, you have to get your criticism right or you will be dismissed as someone who just doesn't get it, man.

    If you're alone trying to drag him back to reality, a lighter touch might be required. Possibly educating him though stealth comments, where you express doubts about [historical event X], which he will sympathize with, while simultaneously introducing details that make the whole aliens theory seem very unlikely.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    it is interesting that when someone says they believe in alien gods you're all "make him see reason" but when someone says they believe in regular old gods doing that is bad

    unless he's going to drink the spirit juice to pierce the veil just try to make him keep it more to himself

    man that is completely wrong-headed

    Old timey religions that have survived to this day have a certain amount of acceptability due to age and historical accident. There's no getting around this.

    However, the take home message is not "therefore when some dullard starts spouting hippie-dippy alien crystal nonsense that would need 3 rewrites just to be a below-average episode of Stargate, treat him with respect and dignity because hey it's all cool man"

    it's

    "berate his stupid ass until he cries". Don't expand the privilege accorded to certain schools of sloppy thought to everything. That's just insane.

    no

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    also like i said- we don't know what its like to be an animal

    what if some spiders are like super smart

    but only at making webs or catching prey
    the spoiler is that is pretty much the truth

    yeah see. i get this man. i have a lot of arguments with the lady who is way deep into psychology.

    she is all "animals are super dumb etc."

    and i am like

    "well. but."

    i agree with you

    i am like

    yeah but

    bees have a language of sorts

    she is working toward her masters in psych. there is no getting through.

    i just tell the cat she didn't mean it and watch him run into a wall.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    it is interesting that when someone says they believe in alien gods you're all "make him see reason" but when someone says they believe in regular old gods doing that is bad

    unless he's going to drink the spirit juice to pierce the veil just try to make him keep it more to himself

    man that is completely wrong-headed

    Old timey religions that have survived to this day have a certain amount of acceptability due to age and historical accident. There's no getting around this.

    However, the take home message is not "therefore when some dullard starts spouting hippie-dippy alien crystal nonsense that would need 3 rewrites just to be a below-average episode of Stargate, treat him with respect and dignity because hey it's all cool man"

    it's

    "berate his stupid ass until he cries". Don't expand the privilege accorded to certain schools of sloppy thought to everything. That's just insane.

    That's fine when it's some douche on the internet or some asshat at the state university.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    man fuck you syndalis

    you got me reading ethology research which at the same time excites me and frustrates me

    so i guess <3?

    Arch on
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    it is interesting that when someone says they believe in alien gods you're all "make him see reason" but when someone says they believe in regular old gods doing that is bad

    unless he's going to drink the spirit juice to pierce the veil just try to make him keep it more to himself

    man that is completely wrong-headed

    Old timey religions that have survived to this day have a certain amount of acceptability due to age and historical accident. There's no getting around this.

    However, the take home message is not "therefore when some dullard starts spouting hippie-dippy alien crystal nonsense that would need 3 rewrites just to be a below-average episode of Stargate, treat him with respect and dignity because hey it's all cool man"

    it's

    "berate his stupid ass until he cries". Don't expand the privilege accorded to certain schools of sloppy thought to everything. That's just insane.

    :^: :^:

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    man fuck you syndalis

    you got me reading ethology research which at the same time excites me and frustrates me

    so i guess <3?

    glad to be of frustrating help.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    also like i said- we don't know what its like to be an animal

    what if some spiders are like super smart

    but only at making webs or catching prey
    the spoiler is that is pretty much the truth

    yeah see. i get this man. i have a lot of arguments with the lady who is way deep into psychology.

    she is all "animals are super dumb etc."

    and i am like

    "well. but."

    i agree with you

    i am like

    yeah but

    bees have a language of sorts

    she is working toward her masters in psych. there is no getting through.

    i just tell the cat she didn't mean it and watch him run into a wall.

    the cat may run into a wall but can your girl sneak up on and catch a bird

    i think not

    at least i cant

    i have tried

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Old timey religions that have survived to this day have a certain amount of acceptability due to age and historical accident. There's no getting around this.
    I'm not sure why age should mean it is OK to believe something. If someone spouted off the miasma theory of disease, would that make it acceptable?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    you dudes are way too PC about stupid stupid beliefs

    smack him upside the head and tell him to stop being a twat

    I see no difference beetween his belief and that of any other religious person and I don't go around smacking people upside the head

    Cept one is indoctrinated into society and the other is a person willingly and individually making the choice to be loony.

    I think saying that generally, christians et al haven't made an individual choice about their beliefs is being down on them more than the alien cult dude

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    what's not to get about 30 rock

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Man, now I'm all out of wack. My brother believes, without evidence, that aliens explain world religions and I'm all upset because I might have hurt his feelings

    seems to me you're being too harsh on yourself.

    I guess I'm just wondering what the best way to handle things like this, and the fact that it involves someone I really care bout it mixed things up even more. I mean, this is an asinine assertion and he's not even trying to be logical about it. On the other hand, he's a man now and he's entitled to believe as he wishes.

    So what am I supposed to do when a man I care about tries to share, in earnest excitement, his beliefs about alien gods?

    I had a friend in college like this. He was smart enough to question a lot of things about how the world works but not smart enough to reject the most stupid explanations in the face of monumental proof. My friends and I would stage interventions about certain beliefs of his. We would learn all we could about them, then have long discussions where we would tactfully hack away at the crazy from all sides while being absolutely certain we understood EXACTLY what it was. Because to someone who believes that alien god kings built the pyramids and showed us electricity, you have to get your criticism right or you will be dismissed as someone who just doesn't get it, man.

    If you're alone trying to drag him back to reality, a lighter touch might be required. Possibly educating him though stealth comments, where you express doubts about [historical event X], which he will sympathize with, while simultaneously introducing details that make the whole aliens theory seem very unlikely.

    Damn, man, this is incredible. And I feel like you get it.

    Because yeah, despite the evidence I've provided here, my brother is smart. He has the capacity for so much brilliance, but he's so easily tempted by cool "explanations."

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