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I'd like to mention once again that I'm on the west coast and have to watch the broadcast delay. Monday Night RAW is almost never live on the west coast unless they're shooting RAW in Seattle, at which point, I wouldn't be updating the thread.
So sorry great master.
I will be so nice and quiet little girl.
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Pretty uneventful Raw it felt like. Nice to actually have some long-running feuds going into TLC though. Might be the best they've built a PPV in a while.
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I thought WWE didn't do reruns (premium cable channels notwithstanding)?
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tldw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIYhAXzwNc
That little girl embodies why I love wrestling.
Punk should have to give his slammy to The Miz.
Cause what a sport she is.
I bet they let her keep it.
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I can't believe these people actually have financial backing from anyone. WWE should wait another year or so, buy the place and then put the talent that TNA has to good use. They're obviously not doing anything with it.
That aside I think it's entirely possible that TNA is in no real danger of going under unless something changes drastically within Panda Energy. Otherwise daddy will be more than happy to keep funnelling money down to his daughters pet project.
Also I'm naturally suspicious of this whole Hardy thing since Russo (and Bischoff for that matter) love their worked-shoots so that they can "fool" the smarks. They have a strange obsession with that sort of thing, or at least Russo certainly does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av361Osg2Rc
Also, Japanese wrestlers even SELL stiff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccrQXB5mbX4
At least if they were getting buried in WWE, they might be making better money for it.
I really doubt that WWE wouldn't use guys like Styles and Joe properly, though. Sure they've made mistakes with talent in the past, but they've gotten better at it. The fact that Miz, Punk and Jeff Hardy have all been world champs in the past few years makes me think that Vince might be getting over his big man obsession. They're starting to do much better in terms of putting talent over size.
It's not perfect, but it's got to be better than just about anything TNA could do with them.
Miz and Hardy were never in any competing companies and Punk was only in TNA long enough to have a cup of coffee before coming to WWE. It's not about size it's about booking so that the more a wrestler got over in another company the weaker they look in WWE. I could think of quite a few examples (Booker T, Tommy Dreamer, RVD...) but perhaps none is more aggressively insulting than Ultimo Dragon's treatment. Here's an idea of how over this guy is internationally:
Since Vince loves touting that his top talent is "home grown" WWE chose to have him work Heat and Velocity matches against the same handful of cruiserweights for a year before letting his contract expire.
And if Jeff Hardy did come back to WWE he would be buried more blatantly than he was on his way out. I would point to Gail Kim as an example but it's hard to find the opportunity since she only gets on TV as part of a crowd of every Diva on the roster these days.
I kinda fear what the WWE would do to someone like Kenny Omega or Delirious.
Now, whether that was because of the kind of product the WWE was putting out at the time or just that Rey could tap into a massive latino market and Ultimo didn't have a similar Asian market to "save" him, it's probably a bit of either. But getting people to pay money takes preference over being "home-grown" in the WWE. Look at Austin or Foley. Look at Daniel Bryan, his time outside of the WWE is what they used to push him.
The problem with people like Dreamer and RVD and even Booker T. to a degree is big fish, small pond syndrome. Tommy Dreamer couldn't be used in the WWE like he was in ECW because the WWE is too big for someone to get over by getting his ass kicked in front of the same 300 freaks in a bingo hall week in and week out. RVD never even got the World title in ECW, he was arguably pushed to greater heights in the WWE than ECW. And as much as people like Booker T., it's mostly a reputation built around wrestling Chris Benoit a whole lot and then being pushed to the top in the dying days of WCW. The guy he fought most for the WCW World title was Jeff Jarrett. He lost it to Vince Russo once.
That was the problem with a lot of the WCW guys when people talk about the Invasion angle, how Vince wouldn't let the WCW guys look strong. But this wasn't Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Sting and Goldberg coming in. It was Booker T., DDP, Lance Storm and Hugh Morrus. Going up against Austin, The Rock, the Undertaker and Kurt Angle. The invasion angle was never going to work because noone bought a depleted WCW as being a threat anymore. They didn't look strong because they weren't.
Anyway, if you look at some of the talent in TNA right now, I think there's a lot that the WWE would not touch. And I think there's some that they'd welcome. Samoa Joe is obviously one they'd be interested in, the Umaga gimmick was originally created for him, Sabin and Shelley might get split up fairly quickly, but as seen with The Miz and Morrison, people can survive that. I think AJ Styles might be the one guy who'd end up getting decried as "Look, the WWE doesn't care about you if you're not home-grown", simply because I don't think he has the personality to carry his current position. I think TNA banked on good in-ring skills and the prestige of having one of "their own". I could be wrong, I haven't exactly been religious in my TNA viewing.
And I'm not sure why you're bringing up Booker T and RVD as examples of people that got buried in WWE because they came from other companies. Booker was very successful in WWE:
* WCW Championship (1 time)
* WCW Tag Team Championship (1 time)
* World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Tag Team Championship (3 times) – with Test (1), Goldust (1), and Rob Van Dam (1)
* WWE Intercontinental Championship (1 time)
* WWE United States Championship (3 times)
* WWF Hardcore Championship (2 times)
* King of the Ring (2006)
* Sixteenth Triple Crown Champion
* Eighth Grand Slam Champion
And RVD didn't do too badly for himself, either:
* ECW World Heavyweight Championship (1 time)
* World Tag Team Championship (2 times) – with Kane (1) and Booker T (1)
* WWE Championship (1 time)
* WWE Tag Team Championship (1 time) – with Rey Mysterio
* WWF/E Hardcore Championship (4 times)
* WWE European Championship (1 time)1
* WWF/E Intercontinental Championship (6 times)
* Mr. Money in the Bank (2006)
* Fifteenth Triple Crown Champion
* Seventh Grand Slam Champion
Then you have guys like Scott Steiner, Goldberg, and Taz who were pretty much placed at the top of the company as soon as they walked through the doors. Sure they've buried some folks in the past, but I have a really hard time believing that WWE buries every single person that comes to their company from another.
I don't know if using "this guy won a shit load of belts in a sport that is predetermined" is really a good basis for your argument there.
Plus Ultimo Dragon floundered in the WWE compare to Rey because of both audience's and the WWE's perception of him. They saw a short guy in a mask and thought he would do what Rey could/does. When he didn't, people stopped caring.
Also if TNA folds Jeff Jarret is fucked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx0Hfw3uzP8
Seems like a solid card.
Like something a 12 year old with SDvR11 would make for fun.
Ladder and table matches everywhere.
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The kid whose voice cracks at JAPW is this kid. And by kid, I mean he's 26 and about to get married. I don't have a twitter account to let him know he made it into Botchamania.
Apparently she was influence by Montana Fishbourne because this quote "Athena Bautista(Dave Batista's 18-Year-Od Daughter) & her boyfriend "Justin Miller" filmed themselves getting it in at a Miami hotel.. But they aren't done. The couple plan to drop more tapes of them through other outlets " came out.
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I can just imagine this kid, minding his own business then he hears, at first faint but growing louder the distinctive sound of Batista's theme song "yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeaaaaaahhhh!
I WALK ALONE!
*cut to poor kid getting a Batista Bomb through a table*