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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Pony wrote: »
    in the future employers will require you to tell them the names of all your twitter and facebook and livejournal and other internet social networking site account names

    so they can have a guy interstalk you and watch for you badmouthing the company or brag about being late or bagging off work

    they will make this disclosure a provision of your hiring contract and if you fail to disclose any of your internet identities or gain new ones over time without telling human resources you can be fired

    frankly this policy can die if it ever becomes real

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'm a little uncomfortable. I'm reading a feminist blog, one of the more extreme ones (though not a radical one), and there's a post about 'what can you not 'get away with' because you're fat?'

    and the comments just seem like an orgy of people asserting that they're victims and people are so mean.

    I can't see how it could possibly be helpful.

    Hmm.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Actually Batman slept with Batgirl. I mean she is a semi-side kick. I reference you to Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker for this.

    And omg, an industry that sprung about in the 1930s for young men has a long history of misogynistic. I would of never thought. Never! The fact this would surprise people amazes me.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    On another note- I just watched Under the Red Hood and aside from Dimaggio's joker I really enjoyed it

    It's a good film. My only complaint abotu Dimaggio is he isn't Hamil.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Pony wrote: »
    in the future employers will require you to tell them the names of all your twitter and facebook and livejournal and other internet social networking site account names

    so they can have a guy interstalk you and watch for you badmouthing the company or brag about being late or bagging off work

    they will make this disclosure a provision of your hiring contract and if you fail to disclose any of your internet identities or gain new ones over time without telling human resources you can be fired

    nah

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Actually Batman slept with Batgirl. I mean she is a semi-side kick. I reference you to Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker for this.

    And omg, an industry that sprung about in the 1930s for young men has a long history of misogynistic. I would of never thought. Never! The fact this would surprise people amazes me.

    Did he?

    I never knew this

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Actually Batman slept with Batgirl. I mean she is a semi-side kick. I reference you to Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker for this.

    And omg, an industry that sprung about in the 1930s for young men has a long history of misogynistic. I would of never thought. Never! The fact this would surprise people amazes me.

    if you mean dick grayson and barbara gordon, that hardly counts

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    On another note- I just watched Under the Red Hood and aside from Dimaggio's joker I really enjoyed it

    It's a good film. My only complaint abotu Dimaggio is he isn't Hamil.

    My only complaint about Dimaggio's joker is that his voice was farrrr too gruff and not near psychotic enough

    I mean it wasn't his delivery or the lines or anything

    It was literally his voice- I just think it was ill cast

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    bahahahaha. I was late for work, but my bosses are out and my coworker was even later.

    No one will ever know.

    except this whole forum because you just told us.

    also since this forum is always the top google hit for everything, everyone in the entire world.

    I actually had to get really specific to find his post with a Google search.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Pony wrote: »
    in the future employers will require you to tell them the names of all your twitter and facebook and livejournal and other internet social networking site account names

    so they can have a guy interstalk you and watch for you badmouthing the company or brag about being late or bagging off work

    they will make this disclosure a provision of your hiring contract and if you fail to disclose any of your internet identities or gain new ones over time without telling human resources you can be fired

    "Sir, I have a concern about your new employee, Cassandra Marshall..."

    "Oh? What's the problem?"

    "I have here pages and pages of erotic fanfiction. Just... just reams of the stuff."

    "My God. This stuff is perverse. What position did we put her in?"

    "She's a kindergarten teacher in our third district."

    "RED ALERT. RED ALERT."

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Actually Batman slept with Batgirl. I mean she is a semi-side kick. I reference you to Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker for this.

    And omg, an industry that sprung about in the 1930s for young men has a long history of misogynistic. I would of never thought. Never! The fact this would surprise people amazes me.

    Did he?

    I never knew this

    Its inference on why Barbra comes back to Gotham and doesn't stick with Nightwing/Dick Grayson. And also that the relationship wasn't really healthy with Bruce anyways. Though I wouldn't say this is a common plot thread.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    On another note- I just watched Under the Red Hood and aside from Dimaggio's joker I really enjoyed it

    It's a good film. My only complaint abotu Dimaggio is he isn't Hamil.

    My only complaint about Dimaggio's joker is that his voice was farrrr too gruff and not near psychotic enough

    I mean it wasn't his delivery or the lines or anything

    It was literally his voice- I just think it was ill cast

    Actually my other complain is that you can see just about any of the "twists" coming a mile away.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Lawndart wrote: »
    Eh, the whole "let's deconstruct superheroes and show how they'd all be horrible, dysfunctional, abusive scumbags in real life" trope has been done for at least the past 20 years, so at this point I doubt there's much new insight to be gleaned from yet another tilt at the superhero windmill.

    uh

    done by who, Lawndart?

    Alan Moore is really the only person I can think of who has done that, via Watchmen

    sure, super-hero comic books went through a hilariousy "dark" period in the 1980's and 90's (well, the 90's was more XTREME than dark but whatever) where super-heroes became gun-toting mercenaries with Oedipus complexes and shit

    but there was no self-aware commentary there, just an irrelevant industry that was trying to modernize itself and doing badly

    you might think that this is something that has been done to death for decades but I think that's just you wishing it was

    it really hasn't

    Watchmen is the big one, but Rick Veitch was deconstructing superhero tropes back in the early '90s.

    Busik did it in Astro City with the Dark Age story line, Morrison's run on Animal Man, Ellis did it with the Authority, and there are a number of other examples. It hasn't been done to death but there are lots of examples as well. I mean if you want a truly extreme example, Marvel's Ruins would be one.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Pony I am pretty certain that "Women in Fridges" thing bears out if you look at it in the original context (i.e. main-line stories)

    and I also thought it was extended not only to female superheroes, but to all female characters in comics

    the goalposts got moved several times by Gail Simone, originally it was just the love interests of super-heroes (the term itself came from Green Lantern's girlfriend's body being stuffed in a refrigerator) and then she extended it to female characters in super-hero comic books in general, and then only comic books made during a specific era, and then...

    What Gail managed to show was that (gasp! shock! dismay!) super-hero comic books are sexist, and that power fantasies written for teenage boys often have somewhat misogynistic notions in them.

    Which fully nobody should've been surprised at, really. However, the actual data Gail was using to make her argument was really, really bad. She basically just went "huh this seems like a lot" and made a list, without making any kind of list measuring how often the same happens to male characters, or what measure she was using for "brutal" besides just being killed off, etc.

    It was basically "research" in the same way that Jack Thompson has "research" to show video games make children violent sociopaths.

    It's a perception.

    I would think with the fixed goalposts of "female characters in comic books in mainstream titles" (what I thought it was) that this would all still hold up if you collected numbers

    I mean I can barely even think of male characters who were ever permanently killed or seriously injured (permanently, not like killed and came back) outside of robin (s) and flash/blue beetle

    that is because your knowledge of comic books is poor, then

    not because it doesn't happen

    people rarely stay dead in comic books, regardless of gender or importance to the story or whatever. there are many instances of "killed off for reals" and even those don't last.

    pro-tip: the most famous one, the one you just mentioned? robin (or more accurately Jason Todd as Robin)?

    yeah he didn't stay dead, he came back

    just, y'know, FYI

    (Bucky also didn't stay dead, he's alive again. And Blue Beetle? He's been dead for like, 2 years? give it time)

    the people who typically stay dead in comic books are usually not super-heroes, but their non-superpowered family and loved ones. those people (except Aunt May) tend to stay dead when they die, often because the story of the super-hero moves on without them and they died to free the character from the plot constraints they brought.

    what someone can notice from Gail Simone's research (and what I noticed when I was looking into her listings and shit) is there's a really specific disparity between male and female super-heroes that results in this phenomenon, and it wasn't something Gail noticed:

    Male super-heroes typically have girlfriends who are not super-heroes, because they need to save them or they provide drama or whatever, but they can't also be super-heroes because that messes with the androcentric story.

    So, when a male super-hero's girlfriend bites it, she usually bites it for good, mostly so that a new love interest can eventually be written for the character and be the source of new plots and shit.

    On the other hand, female super-heroes (who rarely have a boyfriend or get laid at all!) almost never have a significant other that isn't also a fellow super-hero, which means he's far less likely to ever be killed off for reals, and it's more likely their relationship will just end.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'm a little uncomfortable. I'm reading a feminist blog, one of the more extreme ones (though not a radical one), and there's a post about 'what can you not 'get away with' because you're fat?'

    and the comments just seem like an orgy of people asserting that they're victims and people are so mean.

    I can't see how it could possibly be helpful.

    Hmm.

    The fat denial stuff you seem to get in so many feminist blogging spheres is easily one of the worst things about them.

    I recall one in which the (jersey?) council had stared weighing kids and sending letters back to the parents if they were obese. This was because two third of kids in the state were obese.

    Repeat comparisons to the holocaust were made. Maybe half a dozen of posters, out of about a hundred went 'uh, with two thirds heading to an early grave this might notbe a terrible idea?'.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

    If I were to discourage you it would be because wtf@60 dollar hoodie, not due to some ridiculous notion that you're not shep enough

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    get it, cass

    get iiiiit

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hold on now then pony- that is still the same point, you just worded it differently.

    If the people who more often than not bite it for good are the female love interests of male superheroes in comic books

    then uh

    what I said is exactly true

    unless these love interests aren't female characters?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

    Commander shepard is not a beautiful princess living in a castle getting fucked by her father

    she's a badass

    also in the way I play her, not the most mentally stable camper

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Leitner wrote: »
    I'm a little uncomfortable. I'm reading a feminist blog, one of the more extreme ones (though not a radical one), and there's a post about 'what can you not 'get away with' because you're fat?'

    and the comments just seem like an orgy of people asserting that they're victims and people are so mean.

    I can't see how it could possibly be helpful.

    Hmm.

    The fat denial stuff you seem to get in so many feminist blogging spheres is easily one of the worst things about them.

    I recall one in which the (jersey?) council had stared weighing kids and sending letters back to the parents if they were obese. This was because two third of kids in the state were obese.

    Repeat comparisons to the holocaust were made. Maybe half a dozen of posters, out of about a hundred went 'uh, with two thirds heading to an early grave this might notbe a terrible idea?'.

    of course the real problem everyone should have with this is the measure they are using to determine childhood obesity is BMI

    and BMI is bullshit

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    We're all Commander Shepard.

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  • Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

    If I were to discourage you it would be because wtf@60 dollar hoodie, not due to some ridiculous notion that you're not shep enough

    Yeah it is $60... but man, it's kind of tasteful for a video game hoodie. I really hate the really garish video game apparel. Hm.

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  • NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2010
    I didn't know it cost 60 bucks

    that's pretty silly

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  • FrosteeyFrosteey Elaise 1521-2945-8940Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Guys guys guys I am internet famous : D

    http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=!listgame

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    It's always fun to see people hand-wave away sexism when it appears in the media they enjoy.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    On another note- I just watched Under the Red Hood and aside from Dimaggio's joker I really enjoyed it

    It's a good film. My only complaint abotu Dimaggio is he isn't Hamil.

    My only complaint about Dimaggio's joker is that his voice was farrrr too gruff and not near psychotic enough

    I mean it wasn't his delivery or the lines or anything

    It was literally his voice- I just think it was ill cast

    Actually my other complain is that you can see just about any of the "twists" coming a mile away.

    I don't expect to be surprised in an animated Superhero cartoon so the twist were pretty easy to pick up on. But I am with Arch on my complaint about Dimaggio's Joker. What I think it is, the writing was for Hamil's Joker and he even tried to do the laugh but the voice and the dialog didn't match up. Dimaggio's Joker should be more along the lines of Jack Nicholson's Joker than Hamil's Joker due to how the voice is.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Pony wrote: »
    in the future employers will require you to tell them the names of all your twitter and facebook and livejournal and other internet social networking site account names

    so they can have a guy interstalk you and watch for you badmouthing the company or brag about being late or bagging off work

    they will make this disclosure a provision of your hiring contract and if you fail to disclose any of your internet identities or gain new ones over time without telling human resources you can be fired

    "Sir, I have a concern about your new employee, Cassandra Marshall..."

    "Oh? What's the problem?"

    "I have here pages and pages of erotic fanfiction. Just... just reams of the stuff."

    "My God. This stuff is perverse. What position did we put her in?"

    "She's a kindergarten teacher in our third district."

    "RED ALERT. RED ALERT."

    Anyone who writes erotic fan fiction needs to be rounded up anyway.

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    LaOs wrote: »

    Mojo_Jojo: Failed everything.

    Hmmm, looking at those dice rolls Dal has tripped and fallen. Lets hope one of those boars doesn't eat HIS FACE.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I mean, what are examples of male characters who have been killed and remained that way in contrast to female characters who have been killed and remained dead

    is it like

    uncle ben vs gwen stacy and Alex dewitt?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Pony wrote: »
    in the future employers will require you to tell them the names of all your twitter and facebook and livejournal and other internet social networking site account names

    so they can have a guy interstalk you and watch for you badmouthing the company or brag about being late or bagging off work

    they will make this disclosure a provision of your hiring contract and if you fail to disclose any of your internet identities or gain new ones over time without telling human resources you can be fired

    "Sir, I have a concern about your new employee, Cassandra Marshall..."

    "Oh? What's the problem?"

    "I have here pages and pages of erotic fanfiction. Just... just reams of the stuff."

    "My God. This stuff is perverse. What position did we put her in?"

    "She's a kindergarten teacher in our third district."

    "RED ALERT. RED ALERT."

    Anyone who writes erotic fan fiction needs to be rounded up anyway.

    go fuck yourself. Cass is a godamn literary giant when it comes to erotica.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

    If I were to discourage you it would be because wtf@60 dollar hoodie, not due to some ridiculous notion that you're not shep enough

    Yeah it is $60... but man, it's kind of tasteful for a video game hoodie. I really hate the really garish video game apparel. Hm.

    yeah they did a good job on the design

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  • Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    So I was gift shopping for a friend and browsing online

    and I briefly considered getting them the N7 Mass Effect hoodie

    and then this compulsion gripped me to get it for myself

    but Cass, I told myself, you are fat and plain and you are not Commander Shepard.

    but I kind of don't give a fuck.

    What do you think [chat], should I be greedy and get myself an N7 hoodie even though I'll look silly?

    If I were to discourage you it would be because wtf@60 dollar hoodie, not due to some ridiculous notion that you're not shep enough

    Yeah it is $60... but man, it's kind of tasteful for a video game hoodie. I really hate the really garish video game apparel. Hm.

    If it helps, I was massively disappointed when I found out that you can't play as fat Shepherd in Mass Effect. I almost didn't play because of this.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Cass' erotic fanfiction saved my life.

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Wait there were people who were surprised at the twist in under the red hood?

    I mean

    it wasnt novel or anything

    just neat

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I just like my mysteries to be... mysterious.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    If they sell them online the Ishimura hoodies they had at pax were also pretty cool looking.

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    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My Dad's Christmas present has arrived! :)

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