The term most often refers to the belief that jurors have come to demand more forensic evidence in criminal trials, thereby raising the burden of proof for prosecutors. Although this is widely believed among American legal professionals, several studies have shown that crime shows are unlikely to cause such an effect.
I want to call this the Csi effect effect
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited December 2010
The secret is to say your prejudice against all races.
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
"Conventional wisdom in law enforcement suggests that people tend to be acquitted by juries when there is not much physical evidence and are convicted more in trials that have such evidence," Sarapin says. "The reality is that few crimes have hard, scientific evidence such as ballistics, gunshot residue or DNA evidence. And some states even allow the juror screening process to include questions about their television viewing. There are more questions for us to ask regarding what kind of an effect this has on people, especially jurors."
So waching all CSIs and NCIS can get you out of jury duty?
it is possible, apparently lawyers ask about this sometimes and kick out people who do
Others argue that shows like CSI aren't having any educational effect on criminals. Max Houck, director of the Forensic Science Initiative at West Virginia University, pointed out that while it is possible that the CSI effect may be educating criminals, people who resort to a life of crime generally aren't very intelligent to begin with.[30] It is also possible for crime shows to have the opposite effect, in which the attempts to conceal evidence ends up generating more evidence. Houck gives an example of criminals who avoid licking envelopes because of the DNA in their saliva, but end up leaving fingerprints and hair samples on adhesive tape instead.[11] Tammy Klein, the lead investigator on the McKinney case, said that the killings she investigates are committed by people "who for the most part are pretty stupid."
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
at least criminals can't serve on juries, that rules out a bunch of dummies right there
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Without denying someone the right to an attorney, I never would've saved Thane's son.
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
Well guys that is what a lawyer is for
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my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
Well guys that is what a lawyer is for
yes that is what happens in an adversarial system
what is hard to grasp about this?
Wait
Are you saying that I don't grasp that the police hate lawyers?
I do
I just think it is silly
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
Well guys that is what a lawyer is for
yes that is what happens in an adversarial system
what is hard to grasp about this?
Wait
Are you saying that I don't grasp that the police hate lawyers?
I do
I just think it is silly
defense attorneys also hate cops
it's a thing that actually happens and is not somehow made up by tv shows
"Tell me the truth or me and my boys will twist your balls off"
"if you confess, i won't kill you"
"ok, i confess"
"MURDERER" BLAM
Detritus does make for a fantastic cop
I mean he is terryfing in his relentlesness
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Quoththe RavenMiami, FL FOR REALRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
hahaha
His lack of imagination results in an interesting interrogation technique; while he cannot think of any questions beyond 'It was you what done it, own up', he never gets bored with asking it. He can, however, be thrown completely by a simple denial. He has also started a personal crusade against trading in Slab, a troll-specific narcotic that literally 'melts troll brains.'
I watched an episode of SVU last week with a copycat serial killer with one victim still alive but the police don't know where she is
not only did they not give him a lawyer, but when BD Wong is all "hey guys his greatest fear is dark, confined spaces" Elliot grabs him and throws him into a closet and locks it while the guy is crying and screaming to let him out
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I watched an episode of SVU last week with a copycat serial killer with one victim still alive but the police don't know where she is
not only did they not give him a lawyer, but when BD Wong is all "hey guys his greatest fear is dark, confined spaces" Elliot grabs him and throws him into a closet and locks it while the guy is crying and screaming to let him out
he didn't ask for a lawyer and I would've started clipping off fingers if I were stabbler
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
Well guys that is what a lawyer is for
yes that is what happens in an adversarial system
what is hard to grasp about this?
Wait
Are you saying that I don't grasp that the police hate lawyers?
I do
I just think it is silly
defense attorneys also hate cops
it's a thing that actually happens and is not somehow made up by tv shows
I'm not suggesting that it is
the thing is, police shows aren't objective documentaries
they're stories
and the police protagonists are people that the audience gets to know, sympathize with, and enjoy watching
they're the heroes of the story, they protect the innocent and make sure the bad guys always get what's coming to them
and they absolutely hate the fact that criminal suspects aren't legally obligated to confess
the subtext is that the audience should feel the same way
based entirely on anecdotal evidence and in no way actually researched
that a lot of people don't really believe in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"
Yeah that's a thing that gets me. The cops all being gung-ho about sticking it to this guy and proving him guilty. But uh. What if they have the wrong guy. They are getting all enthusiastic about getting this guy and just letting the real one go free and they don't even give a shit
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I want to call this the Csi effect effect
https://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1JI9WWSRW1YJI
my biggest annoyance about them is how they try and vilify the fifth amendment and/or the right to an attorney
like oh man they've brought this guy in, he totally did it, they got him in the interrogation room, every piece of the puzzle is there, now they just need to get him to confess
oh what
he wont' talk to us without an attorney?!
that fucking son of a bitch. That is just about the slimiest way to try and weasel out of being arrested that I can think of!
Quick let's try and trick him into confessing before his lawyer shows up and ruins our chance at justice.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
it is possible, apparently lawyers ask about this sometimes and kick out people who do
Without denying someone the right to an attorney, I never would've saved Thane's son.
Haha yes
"God damn asshole has got his lawyer here to keep him schtum"
Well guys that is what a lawyer is for
yes that is what happens in an adversarial system
what is hard to grasp about this?
Wait
Are you saying that I don't grasp that the police hate lawyers?
I do
I just think it is silly
"it was you what done it, wasn't it" THUMP
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defense attorneys also hate cops
it's a thing that actually happens and is not somehow made up by tv shows
Also known as the Gene Hunt Method
"Tell me the truth or me and my boys will twist your balls off"
lenny never hit dudes
"if you confess, i won't kill you"
"ok, i confess"
"MURDERER" BLAM
I AM THE LAWR
Detritus does make for a fantastic cop
I mean he is terryfing in his relentlesness
In his youth, you know he popped a few guys.
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not only did they not give him a lawyer, but when BD Wong is all "hey guys his greatest fear is dark, confined spaces" Elliot grabs him and throws him into a closet and locks it while the guy is crying and screaming to let him out
he didn't ask for a lawyer and I would've started clipping off fingers if I were stabbler
because of, y'know, coercion
the thing is, police shows aren't objective documentaries
they're stories
and the police protagonists are people that the audience gets to know, sympathize with, and enjoy watching
they're the heroes of the story, they protect the innocent and make sure the bad guys always get what's coming to them
and they absolutely hate the fact that criminal suspects aren't legally obligated to confess
the subtext is that the audience should feel the same way
http://www.audioentropy.com/
life would be so much easier
they had enough to convict him already, and I'm pretty sure they wanted to save the woman more
based entirely on anecdotal evidence and in no way actually researched
that a lot of people don't really believe in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Yeah that's a thing that gets me. The cops all being gung-ho about sticking it to this guy and proving him guilty. But uh. What if they have the wrong guy. They are getting all enthusiastic about getting this guy and just letting the real one go free and they don't even give a shit
on the other hand, I never really want to come out on the side of police brutality
god I need to read more discworld
before it's all over
well, it'll be there for you either way
but everyone should read more discworld
http://thismodernworld.com/archives/5514
I still have the Dirk Gently books to read as well. I'm just not sure I can live in a world where I have nothing new to read by Douglas Adams.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_as/as_china_carrier_killer
Never start with what's left of "salmon of doubt" then
http://www.redesign.rumormiller.com/story.php?title=congressman-restart-the-crusades&ref=124a&se=submit
Ahahaha that is amazing.