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The New Comic Thread for Friday, December 24th

DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty DameRegistered User regular
edited December 2010 in Social Entropy++
"Dropping the Science"

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ho-ho-snap

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    Dawkins comic.

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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    haha suck it religion

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    RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    i like this comic

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I'm surprised they went with this, I thought Mike and Jerry had reached a truce regarding religion on the condition that neither of them raised the subject.

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    SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Sitting-and-talking comic.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    To be fair, they have both viewpoints here. The viewer doesn't have to be offended because Gabe is offended for them.

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    DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    You know, I've heard this argument and variants of it from the so-called "new-atheist" movement, wherein people say they tell their children the Santa myth and use it to 'help' their children 'learn the truth' that authority figures often lie on a large scale, and then nudge these children along the path to 'learning' that there is no God using the same logic

    And I've got to say, even though I am not a person of faith, I find that tactic and the people who take it to be completely douche-tastic

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    UlisesUlises Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    why not just up and tell the kids they don't believe in anything

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    HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    So reasoning with your kids is a "tactic"?

    Religious people are much more forceful in converting their kids to their beliefs by far.

    Edit: Wait, do you mean they tell their kids that Santa is real then reveal it as a lie just to make a point? Because yeah, that is fucked up.

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2010
    Even before I became atheist, I have been debating if I want to tell my kids (when I have them) the truth about Santa or not. Mostly just because it hurt me so damn much as a little one when I found out.

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    DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hoz wrote: »
    So reasoning with your kids is a "tactic"?

    Religious people are much more forceful in converting their kids to their beliefs by far.

    Edit: Wait, do you mean they tell their kids that Santa is real then reveal it as a lie just to make a point? Because yeah, that is fucked up.

    Yes, that's what I mean! Not, as Ulises suggests, that they just straight-up tell the kid that they don't believe in X and present reasons why not. It's when they present it as truth and later reveal it to be a falsehood all for the sake of encouraging 'skeptical thinking' that I have a problem with it.

    Of course I have people close to me who have done this, so my opinion is probably biased.

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    QorzmQorzm Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I can't wait for the first president that believes in Santa

    also gay atheist

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    FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I can't wait till this thread is full of terrible opinions

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    as a jewish kid I didn't realize anyone actually thought santa was real growing up

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Oh, fuck, here comes the religion thread.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Butler wrote: »
    I'm surprised they went with this, I thought Mike and Jerry had reached a truce regarding religion on the condition that neither of them raised the subject.

    I think they mentioned a few years ago that they let themselves get into this argument once a year as a kind of christmas present to one another

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    I'd Fuck Chuck Lidell UpI'd Fuck Chuck Lidell Up Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    The Geek wrote: »
    Even before I became atheist, I have been debating if I want to tell my kids (when I have them) the truth about Santa or not. Mostly just because it hurt me so damn much as a little one when I found out.

    Not me. I found out in a pretty easy to take way.

    I was hunting for candy in the top shelves when I was a kid and found Donkey Kong Country 2 hiding in the cupboard where my mom usually kept her "secret" candy stash. A couple of weeks later "Santa" got me Donkey Kong Country 2. I didn't really care at the time because I realized it meant my parents were willing to spend hundreds of dollars to impress me and also because I had Donkey Cong Country 2, who cares what's real?

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Santa isn't real?

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    my parents went all out with the santa stuff

    snowy footprints between the tree and the fireplace

    sneaking upstairs to hide more presents in my room while I was opening the ones under the treee

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    Scarab83Scarab83 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Haha, oh man.. you guys are going to get SO many angry emails. Awesome comic though. Well worth it in my opinion.

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    was the tooth fairy also like a big deal when you found out it wasn't a real thing

    in my life there was already the Santa precedent of Made-Up Proxies for Parental Gifts (MUPPG)

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    L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    i believed in santa claus and the easter bunny more than god and jesus

    I mean, santa and the easter bunny had an observable effect on my life

    i always saw religious stories as just that and nothing else, I never thought they were real

    dat's my take on the thing

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I really don't remember it being a big deal when I found out santa and such was fake

    just kinda "oh, huh. Oh well I still get presents right?"

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    i clued in on the whole Santa thing years before my parents told me

    i had started to suspect some things, and then started to ask other people (like my older cousins) about it

    so i had figured it out by the time i was like, 5?

    something like that

    buuuuuuuut i never, ever let on that i knew because my fear was if they knew i knew

    i'd get less presents

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Didgeridoo wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    So reasoning with your kids is a "tactic"?

    Religious people are much more forceful in converting their kids to their beliefs by far.

    Edit: Wait, do you mean they tell their kids that Santa is real then reveal it as a lie just to make a point? Because yeah, that is fucked up.

    Yes, that's what I mean! Not, as Ulises suggests, that they just straight-up tell the kid that they don't believe in X and present reasons why not. It's when they present it as truth and later reveal it to be a falsehood all for the sake of encouraging 'skeptical thinking' that I have a problem with it.

    Of course I have people close to me who have done this, so my opinion is probably biased.
    wait, so they just reveal santa as a lie, rather than let the kid figure it out on their own?

    wouldn't that have the opposite of the desired effect?

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Also, it needs to be said that the art in this comic is pretty good.

    Mike's faces are good faces.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    To this day my mother will not give me a straight answer.

    Me: "Okay, mom, I'm almost 30. Is Santa Claus real or not?"

    Mom: *sly grin* "What do you think?"

    ARGH!


    Also...a good friend of mine who is very conservative, was raised with the Santa story as just that. He "believed" in Santa, in as far as his parents got him stuff every year in the 'spirit' of Santa Claus. He claims that teaching kids to believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, et al, simply undermines faith in Jesus later in life. The argument is, as a child, you are taught about Santa, Jesus, and all the others. As you grow up, you learn that Santa, and all the others, are just children's stories and myths, so why wouldn't you think the same about Jesus?


    I don't know I agree with him, but I don't know I can disagree with him, either. We both agree, though, it's not a hard and fast rule, but an interesting point nonetheless.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I figured out santa wasn't real when I was very young and noticed that "santa's" handwriting was identical to my father's

    my parents kept the santa thing up until I was like eighteen
    my two older siblings were both in their twenties
    nobody believed
    but santa still delivered those gifts


    then one year they finally came out and said "yeah we're done getting up at 6:00 in the morning to lay out santa's gifts"

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    FalxFalx Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I was pretty pissed off, myself.

    "How could you lie to me?" I said in the most hurt and withering voice a 6 year old could manage. Apparently the guilt damn near killed my mother.

    Already decided I will be telling my kids right from the start there's no Santa, but that some kids believe and you shouldn't be the one to tell them the truth, it's for their parents to decide.

    However the bogeyman is real and he will eat you if you don't eat your vegetables and clean your rooms.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    my mom tried to raise me Catholic

    i found the attempt to get me to believe in God a lot less believable than the attempt to get me to believe in Santa

    as has been said earlier in this thread, at least Santa was (so I was being told) having a physically measurable effect on my life leaving evidence of his presence

    or rather

    presents as his evidence?

    ho ho

    but whereas God was something that didn't seemingly do anything but I was just supposed to believe in because uh... because... because people have always said he did? and a book says so, i guess.

    i never bought it

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I never believed any of that shit. Not Santa, not God, not the Easter bunny. I probably believed some other lame shit like free will or what have you.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    when I was a kid and life was shitting on me pretty bad (as it often did during my childhood), when I would get upset about it my mom would try to bring God into it and use her religious beliefs to comfort me.

    I never really understood that.

    As I got older, I actually found it far more comforting to see the world as essentially ambivalent to my existence, that there is no greater existent force out there making me miserable, it's just a bunch of shit that happens, and that if I can move past it there's nothing really impeding me from trying to better my life.

    And that it's not worth seeking meaning as to "why" terrible things kept happening to me, beyond the direct logical causality that could be observed and possibly linked to my own choices.

    Far more comforting than to believe there is some kind of capricious, alien entity out there with an unknowable mindset manipulating my life for some mad purpose beyond my mortal comprehension.

    How theists find that comforting, I do not understand on an emotional level.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    hell, I'm twenty five, my youngest sister is about to graduate from high school, and my mother still tags our gifts as being from santa

    nothin' wrong with that

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    Peter EbelPeter Ebel CopenhagenRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Nothing particularly right about it either.

    Damnit, I exchange gifts with the people I like because I want to increase their enjoyment of life if I am so able. Of course, I'm not so I always give strong alcohol.

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    TunnelRunnerTunnelRunner Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Even if your parents admit the gifts from "Santa" were actually from them that doesn't necessarily mean Santa isn't real.
    It could just mean that you were on the naughty list every year.

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    TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Peter Ebel wrote: »
    Nothing particularly right about it either.

    man why you gotta hate on a little fun

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    Lord DaveLord Dave Grief Causer Bitch Free ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    it's funny 'cause he's a douche

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    Brodo FagginsBrodo Faggins Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Best part of being born to Asian immigrants is that they don't even care about Santa. My parents came home with gifts and just hand them over to me.

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    ButlerButler 89 episodes or bust Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I wouldn't want to tell my kids Santa's real, if I ever have any. I am not lying to them about why the little shitheel-with-rich-parents who pushed them off the swings at school gets his own home theatre system "from Santa" when they just get toys and books.

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