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[SW:TOR] Both Guilds Now Open. Check Top of OP.

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edited April 2011 in MMO Extravaganza
GUILD INFO


So the guild results are in. The official PA guilds will be PVE East Coast Guilds.

The Imperial Guild is <Remarkable Circumference>, which can be found here.

The Republic Guild is <Rigorous Scholarship>, which can be found here.



Remember this game:
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It was pretty popular and stuff. It even had a sequel.
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It's been 7 years since the release of Kotor 2, and Bioware has been working hard to bring you this:
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Star Wars: The Old Republic is a MMORPG developed by Bioware's new MMO division in Texas set in the Old Republic era of Star Wars, 200 years after the conclusion to KotOR. You'll take one of two sides, either the Imperial or Republic side. There's a lot of interesting things about it, but first, eye candy!

Deceived

Hope


Those trailers, done by Blur Studio, are pretty glorious.


SW:TOR is a massive undertaking by Bioware, a subsidiary of Electronic Arts. How massive?

It's going to cost like a hojillion dollars.

It's the size of 10 KotORs recorded back to back. 40 Novels worth, approximately.

It has a crapton of planet. One chunk of one of the planets is reportedly about the size of Kalimdor as a reference point.

It's got music for days. Original music as well as music from the movies that you know and love.

It has on rails style Combat in Spaaaace!


While the game itself has been one of the worst kept secrets ever since before it was announced in 2008, not much is known about the game itself outside of a bit of the combat and the story. The auction house, raiding, grouping, PVP, and loot systems are still pretty hard to nail down. Bioware has said that those MMO staples will be in game, but specifics are fairly hard to come by despite the game currently being in closed beta.

There are some important things we do know though.


BETA:

The Beta is currently ongoing. The rules for it are pretty simple. You can tell people you're in the beta, but that's about it. While it's OK to link leaked videos/photos here, it's probably not a good idea to break any NDA on the forum, so it's best, if you're in the beta, to probably not talk about it. Leaked info has come up that we have just ended our third month long beta test (as of March) for some people compared to the starter zone tests that Bioware was doing before. Leaks should be incoming until release. Some people from the December beta test were chosen to renew for the January beta tests, so I'm not entirely sure how many invites they're sending out. The beta tests in December were sent out through a survey thing, but from now on, all beta invites are supposed to be coming straight from Bioware.


Release Date:

There's no release date officially announced. Spring 2011 was the first window given. Then it was Spring 2011 after March 31st. Then it was April 1st to December 31st. Technically, it could still be getting release in Spring. There's no way to know for sure what's going on though.


Now that's out of the way, let's break it down for ya.


Story
Story? You ask. WoW has a story. You say.

Indeed. WoW has lore. Pretty much all MMOs have Lore. TOR has a story similar to their single player games. This means that you will likely be getting a very in depth experience. Each class will have their own fully voiced and unique storyline. Pretty intense, no? As it's all fully voiced, immersion here is a big deal. This includes player characters. The cinematic trailers give you some idea.

A great way to see where the story is coming from is these awesome timeline videos. They explain why the galaxy is the way it is, and where your class of choice plays its part.

On top of that, you can check out some of the Dark Horse webcomics that are being made for this game. People have had mixed reactions to them though. I think they're generally thought of as terrible by the assembled masses here.

I'll put up the full walkthrough in the video section where you'll see some of the dialogue. They don't really show the use of companions in the trailer, but Bioware has confirmed that there are indeed companions as this is Bioware game. Naturally, you will be able to bone some of your companions. Actually, that was speculation...but not really.


Classes
Every class has its own unique storyline. This will probably be bad news to anyone susceptible to alts, as Bioware appears to be trying very hard to getting you to play through each class to experience each unique story. A big thing for Bioware is how each class is supposed to feel iconic. To that end, it's useful to think of these classes in terms of who they're based on.

Each faction has 4 classes. 2 of those classes are force users as Jedi or Sith, depending on faction. As it stands, you will not be allowed to change factions.

At level 10, you will be able to pick one of two paths for your class to take, called an "Advanced Class." It's useful to think of each Advanced Class as a spec, but it's also worth noting that the choice will impact your story.

I'll list the classes along with their advanced classes and what they're used for.


Imperial


Bounty Hunter. Obviously, the Boba Fett like character.

Advanced Classes:

Powertech:
* Flamethrower
* Defense / Energy Shields
* Tank

Mercenary
* Dual Wield Guns
* Missiles
* Ranged DPS


Companions: TBA






Sith Inquisitor. The Palpatine like class.

Advanced Classes:

Sith Sorcerer
* Single Saber
* Force Lightning / Force Drain
* Ranged DPS or Healer

Sith Assassin
* Double Bladed Saber
* Stealth
* Burst Melee DPS


Companions: TBA






Sith Warrior. The Darth Vader class.

Advanced Classes:

Sith Juggernaut
* Single Saber / Heavy Armor
* Fear and Darkside Auras
* Tank

Sith Marauder
* Dual Wield Sabers / Armor
* Saber fighting specialist
* Melee DPS


Companions: TBA






Imperial Agent. Not necessarily based on a character from the movies. The general idea appears to be a young, up and coming Tarkin from the Original Trilogy.

Advanced Classes:

Operative
* Blaster Rifle / Energy Blade
* Stealth
* Burst Ranged damage

Sniper
* Sniper Rifle
* Cover, Ambush, Orbital Strikes
* Ranged DPS


Companions: TBA


Republic


Smuggler. This is the Han Solo archetype.

Advanced Classes:

Scoundrel
* Blaster ‘Shot Gun’
* Stealth / Medicine
* Burst ranged damage or Healing

Gunslinger
* Dual Pistols
* Quickdraw / Fast Attacks
* Ranged DPS


Companions: TBA






Jedi Knight. The Luke Skywalker or younger Anakin Skywalker class. Obi Wan fits here too.

Advanced Classes:

Jedi Sentinel
* Dual Wield Saber
* Saber fighting specialist
* Melee DPS

Jedi Guardian
* Single Saber / Heavy Armor
* Leadership / Party Buffs
* Tank


Companions: TBA






Jedi Consular. This is your Yoda class. Similar to Inquisitor.

Advanced Classes:

Jedi Shadow
* Double Bladed Saber
* Stealth
* Burst melee damage

Jedi Sorcerer
* Single Saber
* Powerful Telekinesis / Healing
* Ranged Control / Damage or Healing


Companions: TBA






Trooper. This is based off of the Troopers you saw in some of the animated series like The Clone Wars.

Advanced Classes

Commando
* Heavy Blaster Cannon
* Grenades
* Ranged DPS

Vanguard
* Blaster Rifle
* Energy Shields and Defense
* Tank


Companions: TBA



Crafting

Crafting, which Bioware calls "Crew Skills," is something we know a good deal about as a result of interviews and such. You can see the main explanation on how it's handled On the Main Site.

A brief summary is that you don't actually do any crafting. You order your companions to craft. Now, crafting can take three separate paths. Gathering, crafting, or missions. Gathering basically means that while you're out in the world, you or your companion can gather from some material. It also means that back at the ship, you can send your other companions out on gathering missions. Crafting itself consists of taking the crafted material and telling your companion to make you some crap. That can take from 5 minutes to nearly a full day depending on exactly what the thing they're making is. Mission crafting basically means you are sending out your companions to get you loot or change your good/bad alignment. That'll be explained more clearly with the professions each class contains.

Gathering Skills

Bioanalysis: collecting genetic material from plants and creatures.
Scavenging: collecting materials and parts from old/damaged technology.
Slicing: collecting things through computer systems or hacking lockboxes.
1 TBA

Crafting Skills

Armormech: Armor making.
Weapon Maker (not the real title): Weapon making.
Artifice: Jedi and Sith artifact creation.
Biochem: chemical enhancing serums and implants.
2 TBA

Mission Skills

Treasure Hunting: Track down valuable items.
Diplomacy: Negotiation skills. Likely will affect alignment.
2 TBA



Planets
There really is a truly impressive number of planets.

Republic Planets:

Ord Mantell: This is the starting planet for the Smuggler and the Trooper. This world is supposed to carry players from level 1-10.

Tython: This is the starting planet for the Jedi Consular and Jedi Knight. This world is supposed to carry players from level 1-10, and is where Jedi get their first light saber.

Coruscant: This is the second planet that Jedi are off to, and is also the planet where the Jedi get their ship.



Sith Planets

Korriban: This is your starting planet for the Sith Warrior and Sith Inquisitor. This is a level 1-10 world, and this is where the Sith get their lightsaber.

Hutta: This is the starting planet for the Bounty Hunter and Imperial Agent. It is a level 1-10 world.

Dromund Kass: This is the capital of the Sith Empire and likely the second planet for the Sith characters.


Planets Open to Both

Balmorra: Potential War Zone. Sith occupied this planet, but the Republic is sending forces there.

Alderaan: Confirmed War Zone. Currently in Civil War with the Republic and Sith both backing certain sides.

Tatooine: Likely open to both sides. The Imperial Military has a presence on the planet.

Taris: Potential War Zone. Mostly a barren wasteland still.

Belsavis: Potential War Zone. Republic prison used to be here that's now in chaos.

Voss: A planet where both sides are supposed to be peacefully angling for an alliance with the Voss.

Hoth: Most likely a War Zone. Both sides fighting over the technology of ships that crashed here after a battle.

Nar Shadda: Likely not a real war zone for both sides, as the Hutts control this planet and likely don't want a bunch of Jedi and Sith fighting in their streets.

Corellia: Apparently under Republic control, but apparently Imperials are going through back channels to attempt to get a foothold here.

Ilum: Potential Warzone. This is the lightsaber crystal production planet, and both sides want control of it.

Quesh: Under Republic Control with the Sith and Hutts both desirous of taking control over this planet for the lucrative chemicals made here.



Check out descriptions of them all on Wookiepedia.


Media

The best media guide to me is this long developer walkthrough.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4


Recent News:


March 12th Update: Mid Level Flashpoint Walkthrough.

March 8th Update: Guild stuff

January 28th Update: New Game System Revealed: Flashpoints. These are basically the game's instances.

January 21st Update: New Planet Quesh is added bringing the number of planets to 17.

December 3rd Update: In depth look at crafting from one of the Game System Designers. It's more of the same from the interviews Daniel Erickson had with Darth Hater.

November 12th Update: Crew Skills section that talks about SWTORs crafting system.

November 5th Update: Crafting and Alderaan PVP zone revealed. You can also check out an awesome video of the PVP combat here. To those worried about non force users not being able to hold their own, this video shows some force users getting rocked.


Relevant Links:


Darth Hater: this is basically the main fansite. They stay on top of the updates, so you don't have to go searching the internet for any glimmer of information.

The Old Republic: This is the official site. You can sign up for the beta here or wade through their media and holonet sections.

What We Know So Far: This is a post on the official forum which is a compendium of everything that is known about the game at the current moment. The guy has done a great job keeping it updated.

Story spoilers contained herein: Hands on Impressions. This is a compendium of first hand impressions from the most recent conventions regarding where the game is at in the first few levels. It has a ton of good info that has not been released officially in any capacity about the actual gameplay.




Regarding PAX East: It's been made clear on the official SWTOR forums that there will be a lot going on regarding SWTOR at PAX East this year. I certainly hope we can get someone from the forums to be a good spy for us regarding the SWTOR presence there this year.

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  • AddaAdda Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Someone doesn't like you hot linking the first picture in the OP, at first I hoped it was a picture of a Wookie :(

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hopefully this one will work.

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  • AddaAdda Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    devCharles wrote: »
    Hopefully this one will work.

    Success!

    nice op as well

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanks. The last one lasted a few months, but since we're coming pretty close to release in the next few months, I think we'll probably hit 100 pretty quick this time. I figured I wouldn't get any more in depth for the game until we get to open beta and then I'll probably do a multiple post OP for crafting, PVP, builds and what not. We're still in the waiting game now though.

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  • SovSov Registered User
    edited December 2010
    Excellent summary of what's been released so far, OP. Definitely looking forward to more information. This could be the game that kills my WoW subscription (I hope).

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  • KhaczorKhaczor Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I know they announced armsmith recently to make all the shooting weapons. Even going bounty hunter, I'm going to stick and wait to see the other crafting classes. Making my own badass helmets sounds too awesome to pass up .

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I have no idea what kind of crafting I'll do. But I'm still pretty sure I'm gonna do Consular. Or possibly Inquisitor.

    Well okay what's really going to happen is I'll get 2-3 top choices and play through the beginning with all of them and decide which one I like best.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I think that's what a lot of people are going to use the open beta for.

    Or they're going to do what Tycho says, and will attempt to play through the same class like a billion times to try and find some optimal golden route for when the game goes live.

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  • TrumbotTrumbot Registered User
    edited December 2010
    If someone was so inclined, they might search the web for some recently leaked details and Q&As.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Indeed. If you want to see what info has been leaked, I suggest going here. There's a good amount of leaked stuff in there, but as a lot of the info is not substantiated fully and the videos they have up are of mixed quality, I felt that it probably shouldn't go in the OP.

    By the way, for those of you who remembered my tally of Fridays, here's the breakdown of info yet to be released.

    1 week will be a reveal of one question mark box in the holodex.
    1 week will complete the crafting section
    3 weeks will hold the likely trailers for the Bounty Hunter, Sith Inquisitor, and Jedi Consular
    8 weeks will have timeline reveals. This will potentially carry over into the actual release of the game as these come out about once a month.
    A few weeks will contain more Biographies for companions.
    A few weeks will contain more inhabitants.
    A week will have another PVP update regarding the "derelict ship" scenario.
    1 week will likely reveal the release date/open beta.

    We're about 3-6 months away from the target release date at this point, and there's not too much official information left for them to give out before we really get to start messing around with it.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I want to know what two VAs are doing the consular voices.

    Actually, do we have a list of all the known class VAs so far anywhere?

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Oh, that's a good point.

    If they got Phil LaMarr for any of the protagonist classes, I'll almost certainly be playing as that one.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Astale wrote: »
    I want to know what two VAs are doing the consular voices.

    Actually, do we have a list of all the known class VAs so far anywhere?

    No, I'm afraid not.

    The people voicing the classes in the trailers will likely be the voices of those particular classes of that particular sex. While Jennifer Hale is pretty obvious, the VAs in general are still being kept on the down low. This is what imdb has. Pretty spare for now, and IMDB can be edited by pretty much anybody so who knows if that stuff is even accurate.

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  • Dox the PIDox the PI Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Steve Blum for someone

    anyone

    oh who am I kidding, he's in everything anyway! no need to hope for it.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    If Blum is a player class he'd better damn well be the bounty hunter.

    Well, maybe smuggler would work too.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    You can hear the Bounty Hunter's voice in the video documentary posted above. He's in the early part of the walkthrough where he meets with a group to talk about the Great Hunt.

    The smuggler's voice can be heard in the smuggler's specific trailer.

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  • Magic RadioMagic Radio Registered User
    edited December 2010
    Damn you Dev, I was going to do the new OP. Which would have included 100% more IG-88 related music videos.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Dammit, no, everytime you post that I have to open a second window and have it on continual loop for the next few hours.

    Like I'm about to go to youtube and do right now because you mentioned it, fuck.

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  • TurksonTurkson Near the mountains of ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I heard Jennifer Hale will be the voice of the female trooper. I am now interested. Just like the other 8 million other people who will also make FemSheps with me.

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  • SaboSabo Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Ooo, new thread smell. Me likey.

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  • XehalusXehalus lofi Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I fully expect an entire mission to be centered around HK-47.

    The greatest Youtube video ever.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Would HK-47 even still be alive?

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  • The DagonThe Dagon Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    What about whats-his-name that played Worf? I just heard him recently as a Krogan in ME2.

    I bet he would make a pimptastic pureblood Sith Warrior.

    Also, hello new thread.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Would HK-47 even still be alive?

    Wasn't he still around in some form or other in Galaxies?
    It would be a shame not to see him.

    I'm curious, have the system requirements for the game been released?

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • übergeekübergeek Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    There was a teaser showing HK and Revan's mask, something about a mission trying to find out what happened to him after he went back to deep space.

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  • Burden of ProofBurden of Proof You three boys picked a beautiful hill to die on. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Would HK-47 even still be alive?

    He was never alive.

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  • XehalusXehalus lofi Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Damn you Dev, I was going to do the new OP. Which would have included 100% more IG-88 related music videos.

    We'll probably need multiple threads in a couple of months, as the next thread is likely going to be a bitch to keep updated, as all the info will likely be coming down the pipe in the next couple months from this last beta test which apparently took people all the way up to level 35. Anyone who didn't get into the next round of beta testing probably won't feel too bad breaking the NDA, and we've already seen some of it getting broken on that leakerz site.

    You will be able to IG-88 us to death in short time, basically.

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  • TrumbotTrumbot Registered User
    edited December 2010
    Also, no word yet on system requirements though it should be pretty forgiving.

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  • SovSov Registered User
    edited December 2010
    see317 wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Would HK-47 even still be alive?

    Wasn't he still around in some form or other in Galaxies?
    It would be a shame not to see him.

    From what I remember, his AI somehow got uploaded into an old Republic ship, and in Galaxies he gave you quests in which you unknowingly make a new body for him. At the end of it, you get a little statue or hologram or something of him as a reward.
    They got plenty of leeway in terms of story for him, though. TOR would be greatly disappointing if it lacked HK-47.

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  • Catastrophe_XXVICatastrophe_XXVI Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    It seems like more and more people will be playing things other than Jedi. But in my heart of hearts I know this isn't true. There will be 3 jedi for every one of the other classes.

    I'm still looking forward to playing a guardian. I just hope there will be a dps version of the single blade lightsaber. But after the immersion day and an article on the Jedi Shadow I think I'll have to try one of those.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Okay, I just watched the "Hope" trailer in the OP - that was incredible. Too much excitement for this game.

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  • XehalusXehalus lofi Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    There will be nothing greater than a Jedi Consular for me.

    /fling rocks at the Sith

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    You know, looking at the stuff like the smuggler videos they have put a LOT of work into the non-Jedi classes to make them awsome to play.

    Which will make it all the more heart-crushing for them when the jedi/sith:everything else ratio is a bajillion to one.

    Mwhahaha.

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  • cuellarcuellar Registered User
    edited December 2010
    Yeah a lot of the non-jedi classes look pretty cool. I'd assume there will be a lot of bounty hunters, but I don't see a lot of love for the troopers...

    One thing in general I've noticed in virtually every MMORPG I've played is that class balance is always pretty shitty at release. There will inevitably be OP classes and shitty classes, and that actually ends up driving a lot of players in one direction or another. Obviously solo play vs group play vs raids vs pvp (and imapct of all of those by companions) probably will even out the classes a lot potentially.


    Personally I think it is one of the things that makes bioware games so fun. A soldier in mass effect was pretty cool (I always played them instead of magic user), in kotor though jedi were awesome. In the movies, I'd say the jedi are some of the lamest characters, especially if you consider all the love R2, Chewey, Han, and Boba Fett get.

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  • devCharlesdevCharles Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    According to one of the Q&As from a guy who was breaking NDA from beta, the cc stuff is very over powered for pvp. Basically, you get cc and you win. That was an early problem in WoW as well.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    devCharles wrote: »
    According to one of the Q&As from a guy who was breaking NDA from beta, the cc stuff is very over powered for pvp. Basically, you get cc and you win. That was an early problem in WoW as well.

    Mace Specialization - Your attacks while equipped with mace weapons give a 5% chance to stun the target for 2 seconds!

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    devCharles wrote: »
    According to one of the Q&As from a guy who was breaking NDA from beta, the cc stuff is very over powered for pvp. Basically, you get cc and you win. That was an early problem in WoW as well.

    And in WAR. And in CO. And a little bit in CoX too if I recall.

    Apparently the idea that being able to tell other players to NOT MOVE while you cut them up for 20 seconds straight is a little overpowered hasn't quite sunk in to the MMO dev community.



    Oh well they all learn it after the forums screams about it for a year straight, amirite?

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  • MrIamMeMrIamMe Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Who cares about pvp anyway?

    PvP ruins mmos as they cannot be balanced, if you want balanced mmo style pvp, play ranked MW2.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Hi. I care about pvp. I like pvp. In my MMOs. So do quite a few other people.

    Oh and I hate shooters.

    Astale on
    Alistair wrote: »
    I use Dog as a cover for when I put dead animals in Morrigan's underthings
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