this is also a game that will attract some RP folk that I'd rather not interact with ever.
It's no more a game that attracts those kinds of people than any other. There will always be people who role play out their bedroom fantasies no matter the setting.
All the same, it is Star Wars. I wish I could explain myself better than that.
What we really need is some way to make a few age-gated servers. All ages, 18+, 25+, and so on.
I really would like an 18+ server, but I doubt we'll get one
Best practice is to put age requirements on your guild, then just turn off global chat.
this is also a game that will attract some RP folk that I'd rather not interact with ever.
It's no more a game that attracts those kinds of people than any other. There will always be people who role play out their bedroom fantasies no matter the setting.
All the same, it is Star Wars. I wish I could explain myself better than that.
What we really need is some way to make a few age-gated servers. All ages, 18+, 25+, and so on.
I really would like an 18+ server, but I doubt we'll get one
I don't think being over 18 prevents anyone from being obnoxious.
That said, who really cares? Having played on RP servers in WoW, I can say that at the end of the day it doesn't make a lick of difference. Idiots are everywhere. You can turn off general chat if you want, but they'll be in trade chat too. You can turn off trade if you really want, but they'll be milling around the auction house and quest hubs being stupid in /say and /yell.
The best solution is to realise that you'll never escape it, and just not let it get to you.
A little bit of RP doesn't bother me when people get together and do it. RP guilds that try to weave a bit of narrative into their raids and activities. That stuff doesn't bother me.
What really creeps me out, however, are the solo RPers. The ones who RP off by themselves. The slow walkers. The ones you see with RP walk mode toggled on, walking through the city as if they were a citizen of the town or something. With nobody else around to share the experience with.
this is also a game that will attract some RP folk that I'd rather not interact with ever.
It's no more a game that attracts those kinds of people than any other. There will always be people who role play out their bedroom fantasies no matter the setting.
All the same, it is Star Wars. I wish I could explain myself better than that.
What we really need is some way to make a few age-gated servers. All ages, 18+, 25+, and so on.
I really would like an 18+ server, but I doubt we'll get one
I don't think being over 18 prevents anyone from being obnoxious.
That said, who really cares? Having played on RP servers in WoW, I can say that at the end of the day it doesn't make a lick of difference. Idiots are everywhere. You can turn off general chat if you want, but they'll be in trade chat too. You can turn off trade if you really want, but they'll be milling around the auction house and quest hubs being stupid in /say and /yell.
The best solution is to realise that you'll never escape it, and just not let it get to you.
my guild has been 18+ since 2005 and honestly I'd never look back. True, asshats come in all sizes and ages, the percentage of them seems to greatly decrease once you get to college aged kids.
Plus the type of asshattery is different. since going to 18+ i'd never had a guild member start drama seemingly just because they were bored.
and of course you never have to worry about a tank or healer not being able to login because they talked back to mommy and are grounded.
A little bit of RP doesn't bother me when people get together and do it. RP guilds that try to weave a bit of narrative into their raids and activities. That stuff doesn't bother me.
What really creeps me out, however, are the solo RPers. The ones who RP off by themselves. The slow walkers. The ones you see with RP walk mode toggled on, walking through the city as if they were a citizen of the town or something. With nobody else around to share the experience with.
Why is that a problem though? While I don't particularly proscribe to that type of gameplay, I know people who do. They seem to enjoy it and aren't really affecting me any.
I'd be more worried that you mark a server as 18+ and suddenly you can't move for all the erp.
Probably true, sadly. Even though Star Wars as a whole is basically sex-free, they will find a way.
Star Wars even has virginal births!
Technically it was midoclorian rape by a crazy Muun sith scientist (I think it was a Muun. It wasn't a human). It'd be like artifically inseminating a woman then saying "look it's the virgin Mary!"
the percentage of them seems to greatly decrease once you get to college aged kids.
I laughed so hard, thank you for that. About the only thing that protects from having to deal with the lower end of the gene pool is a PA related organization.
I don't know, I was in a successful raiding guild in WoW and there was really no drama or anything. Pretty much everyone in the guild were e-friends, raiding was somewhat strict but we still had fun. We had a server first and a few top 5 NA downs I think, all while avoiding drama and having a good time. It is possible, just have to find the right people. Basically, don't just let anyone in, screen people who come in and kick them when they become a problem...simple as that really.
the percentage of them seems to greatly decrease once you get to college aged kids.
I laughed so hard, thank you for that. About the only think that protects from having to deal with the lower end of the gene pool is a PA related organization.
Are you casting aspersions on college aged people magic radio? Perish the thought!
Seriously though, hopefully they'll allow us to have tiered membership because any game that can be played by goons requires a degree of security for guilds.
I'd be more worried that you mark a server as 18+ and suddenly you can't move for all the erp.
Probably true, sadly. Even though Star Wars as a whole is basically sex-free, they will find a way.
Star Wars even has virginal births!
Technically it was midoclorian rape by a crazy Muun sith scientist (I think it was a Muun. It wasn't a human). It'd be like artifically inseminating a woman then saying "look it's the virgin Mary!"
I'd be more worried that you mark a server as 18+ and suddenly you can't move for all the erp.
Probably true, sadly. Even though Star Wars as a whole is basically sex-free, they will find a way.
Star Wars even has virginal births!
Technically it was midoclorian rape by a crazy Muun sith scientist (I think it was a Muun. It wasn't a human). It'd be like artifically inseminating a woman then saying "look it's the virgin Mary!"
SO NO. NO IT DOES NOT.
Not human ones anyways.
Did I miss something?
What are you talking about?
The theory that Anakin's birth was engineered by Darth Plagueis (Darth Sideous's master) through the manipulation of midichlorians to create new life, as is hinted at by Palpatine (a notorious liar and politician, but I repeat myself) in Ep. III.
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edited February 2011
I defer to Plinkett's Episode 3 review and ask again. What?
Ethier this is another Lucas derived contradiction or we are reading too much into Palpatine's remarks. Why would, if it did happen, Plagueis or even Sideous choose a completely unknown and unimportant slave girl on Tatooine to Force impregnate? To what end? Did they somehow foresee all the events that occurred in the movies coming and set them in motion through this otherwise pointless act? And is it even possible?
1. IIRC (been awhile since I watched it, but ...), as part of tempting Anakin to the Dark Side, Palpatine mentions Darth Plagueis and how he could manipulate midichlorians to create new life. It's a powerful Dark Side technique, and those darn Jedi didn't want him spreading it around, they want to keep all the power for themselves, etc., and they could totally help you save your pregnant wife but they won't ...
2. Palpatine is a massive liar. So you can't trust anything he says.
3. However, he also likes to sprinkle in a bit of truth when it serves his purpose, and I can totally see him using the story of Anakin's own birth, carefully disguised, to bring Anakin over to the Dark Side.
4. The Sith were probably just as aware of the prophecy of the Chosen One as the Jedi were; subverting supposed saviours into agents of the Dark Side is sort of their MO, and so causing the birth of the Chosen One such that he'd have the capacity to be turned fits.
5. Additionally, giving birth (heh heh) to, or at worst, causing the creation of that which will destroy you is also something the Sith are known for. Since the institution of Darth Bane's Rule of Two, the master picks and trains an apprentice, who overthrows his master, and then trains the apprentice that will replace him, etc. Thus, Plagueis creating the being that will destroy the Sith forever is, poetically, in-line with the fiction.
6. However, as noted, Palpatine is a liar, and you can't trust anything he says.
This theory is all just a theory; there's no canonical "Seriously, this happened!" information about it. Just some supposition and a few hints around the edges.
Wait, when did Palpatine insinuate that Anakin was created using force insemination. While its been a while since Ive seen EP III, I remember them being at that blitzball game and Palpatine was all, Hey Anakin, I heard you want to save your wife, good news this so called "evil dude" can make life out of nothing, I wonder if that could be useful to you.
Unless people were just connecting the dots a la - evil guy can make life out of nothing, Anakin has no father, thus Anakin was made using force impregnate. In which case, stupid. Isnt it much more likely, that as a slave she got pregnant during her slave "duties"?
Why is there slavery in Star Wars and nobody seems to really care?
Incidentally, Selonians (the ferret there) will be in TOR.
In what capacity I wonder?
Political type stuff having to do with Corellia from what I heard. The political issues of Corellia are suppose to be the focal point of the planet's story.
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Incidentally, Selonians (the ferret there) will be in TOR.
In what capacity I wonder?
Political type stuff having to do with Corellia from what I heard. The political issues of Corellia are suppose to be the focal point of the planet's story.
So, their going to be ferreting out political corruption?
Incidentally, Selonians (the ferret there) will be in TOR.
In what capacity I wonder?
Political type stuff having to do with Corellia from what I heard. The political issues of Corellia are suppose to be the focal point of the planet's story.
So, their going to be ferreting out political corruption?
Just kind of thinking about MMOs in general, they all have one theme in common. They sacrifice gameplay, they literally are subpar games in respect to the actual gameplay. Planetside is a shit shooter, WoW is a shit RPG (not terrible, but PvP can't compare to a game that isn't MMO) I hope TOR breaks the cycle and makes a game with exciting gameplay, decent story and the rest. It really sounds like they are trying, but so far I am cautiously optimistic.
Unless people were just connecting the dots a la - evil guy can make life out of nothing, Anakin has no father, thus Anakin was made using force impregnate. In which case, stupid. Isnt it much more likely, that as a slave she got pregnant during her slave "duties"?
More like "Evil guy who died pretty recently, focused on creating life out of nothing, and, hey, didn't your Mom say that she has no idea how you were born? *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*"
After all, Anakin's mom was pretty sure he was a virgin birth ...
Why is there slavery in Star Wars and nobody seems to really care?
Lots of people care; it's just that Senate writ runs pretty thin in Hutt space.
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The thing that has me cringing on RP servers is that I just know I'm going to run into a bunch of angsty Sith and vaingloriously noble Jedi.
I mean it'll just be stomach turning with the bad role playing. I can deal with it when it's done well, like in WoW a dude in our guild wanted to RP his rogue so he always tried to stay out of sight and did lots of things if you promised him a monetary reward.
But you start RPing all badly and I'm putting you on ignore as fast as my fingers will let me.
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Unless people were just connecting the dots a la - evil guy can make life out of nothing, Anakin has no father, thus Anakin was made using force impregnate. In which case, stupid. Isnt it much more likely, that as a slave she got pregnant during her slave "duties"?
More like "Evil guy who died pretty recently, focused on creating life out of nothing, and, hey, didn't your Mom say that she has no idea how you were born? *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*"
Yeah, I totally dont remember Palpatine doing the wink wink nudge nudge thing (unless this was the leap the viewer was supposed to make), but like I said, its been a while since Ive seen the movie.
After all, Anakin's mom was pretty sure he was a virgin birth...
Isnt it possible she found this preferable to telling people she was raped? Granted, this leaves me making assumptions based on character behavior when it is clear Lucas was going for a Jesus thing.
Just kind of thinking about MMOs in general, they all have one theme in common. They sacrifice gameplay, they literally are subpar games in respect to the actual gameplay. Planetside is a shit shooter, WoW is a shit RPG (not terrible, but PvP can't compare to a game that isn't MMO) I hope TOR breaks the cycle and makes a game with exciting gameplay, decent story and the rest. It really sounds like they are trying, but so far I am cautiously optimistic.
The concept of being able to take on more than one enemy at a time is something I'm very intrigued by. I hate the feeling in WoW where I'm going through areas trying to find out the way that doesn't lead me to fighting 3 or 4 guys at once. As a priest, I consistently dreaded the prospect of questing because I knew there would be some kind of wandering mob situation, and if a second mob caught me on patrol while fighting another mob, I was basically either screwed or making a run for it hoping I didn't get slowed. As WoW has gone on, it seems like it's gotten to the point where most classes can take on a couple of similarly leveled opponents concurrently.
A companion strengthening to compensate for you picking a healer class is huge for me.
Rift has been reminding me of early WoW where, playing as a mage, I'm basically fucked if I get ambushed by backspawn or patrols or whatever.
A solid difficulty curve would go a long way to making me feel good about this game. Most games start off nice and slow and then the difficulty curve jumps to a ridiculous level because you aren't quite equipped or have the spells or whatever to handle it, and then it starts to ease up as you power up your spells and learn new ones. If they can buff companions instead of playing the balancing game with all the classes to create a more even leveling experience, that would be very cool.
A solid difficulty curve would go a long way to making me feel good about this game. Most games start off nice and slow and then the difficulty curve jumps to a ridiculous level because you aren't quite equipped or have the spells or whatever to handle it, and then it starts to ease up as you power up your spells and learn new ones. If they can buff companions instead of playing the balancing game with all the classes to create a more even leveling experience, that would be very cool.
That's sort of necessary in order to keep the grind going, though. If everyone's able to finish all their quests naked, then what's the incentive to get sweet new gear? The curve obviously needs to start off at a softer gradient, in order to give people a chance to learn class/game mechanics. But eventually it should adjust to a point where you need to be prepared (both in terms of gear and 'skill') if you want to accomplish anything meaningful.
I get that Bioware continually plugging this as story-driven has a lot of people hoping that the incentive for progression will be to further the story rather than your stats. But really I think there's always going to be an element of the gear grind.
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Best practice is to put age requirements on your guild, then just turn off global chat.
Who really needs global chat anyway?
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I don't think being over 18 prevents anyone from being obnoxious.
That said, who really cares? Having played on RP servers in WoW, I can say that at the end of the day it doesn't make a lick of difference. Idiots are everywhere. You can turn off general chat if you want, but they'll be in trade chat too. You can turn off trade if you really want, but they'll be milling around the auction house and quest hubs being stupid in /say and /yell.
The best solution is to realise that you'll never escape it, and just not let it get to you.
Naming restrictions are the best part of RP servers.
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What really creeps me out, however, are the solo RPers. The ones who RP off by themselves. The slow walkers. The ones you see with RP walk mode toggled on, walking through the city as if they were a citizen of the town or something. With nobody else around to share the experience with.
Probably true, sadly. Even though Star Wars as a whole is basically sex-free, they will find a way.
my guild has been 18+ since 2005 and honestly I'd never look back. True, asshats come in all sizes and ages, the percentage of them seems to greatly decrease once you get to college aged kids.
Plus the type of asshattery is different. since going to 18+ i'd never had a guild member start drama seemingly just because they were bored.
and of course you never have to worry about a tank or healer not being able to login because they talked back to mommy and are grounded.
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Star Wars even has virginal births!
Why is that a problem though? While I don't particularly proscribe to that type of gameplay, I know people who do. They seem to enjoy it and aren't really affecting me any.
Technically it was midoclorian rape by a crazy Muun sith scientist (I think it was a Muun. It wasn't a human). It'd be like artifically inseminating a woman then saying "look it's the virgin Mary!"
SO NO. NO IT DOES NOT.
Not human ones anyways.
I laughed so hard, thank you for that. About the only thing that protects from having to deal with the lower end of the gene pool is a PA related organization.
Are you casting aspersions on college aged people magic radio? Perish the thought!
Seriously though, hopefully they'll allow us to have tiered membership because any game that can be played by goons requires a degree of security for guilds.
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Did I miss something?
What are you talking about?
The theory that Anakin's birth was engineered by Darth Plagueis (Darth Sideous's master) through the manipulation of midichlorians to create new life, as is hinted at by Palpatine (a notorious liar and politician, but I repeat myself) in Ep. III.
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Ethier this is another Lucas derived contradiction or we are reading too much into Palpatine's remarks. Why would, if it did happen, Plagueis or even Sideous choose a completely unknown and unimportant slave girl on Tatooine to Force impregnate? To what end? Did they somehow foresee all the events that occurred in the movies coming and set them in motion through this otherwise pointless act? And is it even possible?
2. Palpatine is a massive liar. So you can't trust anything he says.
3. However, he also likes to sprinkle in a bit of truth when it serves his purpose, and I can totally see him using the story of Anakin's own birth, carefully disguised, to bring Anakin over to the Dark Side.
4. The Sith were probably just as aware of the prophecy of the Chosen One as the Jedi were; subverting supposed saviours into agents of the Dark Side is sort of their MO, and so causing the birth of the Chosen One such that he'd have the capacity to be turned fits.
5. Additionally, giving birth (heh heh) to, or at worst, causing the creation of that which will destroy you is also something the Sith are known for. Since the institution of Darth Bane's Rule of Two, the master picks and trains an apprentice, who overthrows his master, and then trains the apprentice that will replace him, etc. Thus, Plagueis creating the being that will destroy the Sith forever is, poetically, in-line with the fiction.
6. However, as noted, Palpatine is a liar, and you can't trust anything he says.
This theory is all just a theory; there's no canonical "Seriously, this happened!" information about it. Just some supposition and a few hints around the edges.
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Alternatively, Anakin is Revan's future descendant.
How's that for a mind-fuck.
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Unless people were just connecting the dots a la - evil guy can make life out of nothing, Anakin has no father, thus Anakin was made using force impregnate. In which case, stupid. Isnt it much more likely, that as a slave she got pregnant during her slave "duties"?
Why is there slavery in Star Wars and nobody seems to really care?
Incidentally, Selonians (the ferret there) will be in TOR.
In what capacity I wonder?
Political type stuff having to do with Corellia from what I heard. The political issues of Corellia are suppose to be the focal point of the planet's story.
So, their going to be ferreting out political corruption?
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It sounds like PAX East is gonna be a big event for TOR. Wish I was going:!!:
More like "Evil guy who died pretty recently, focused on creating life out of nothing, and, hey, didn't your Mom say that she has no idea how you were born? *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*"
After all, Anakin's mom was pretty sure he was a virgin birth ...
Lots of people care; it's just that Senate writ runs pretty thin in Hutt space.
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I mean it'll just be stomach turning with the bad role playing. I can deal with it when it's done well, like in WoW a dude in our guild wanted to RP his rogue so he always tried to stay out of sight and did lots of things if you promised him a monetary reward.
But you start RPing all badly and I'm putting you on ignore as fast as my fingers will let me.
Yeah, I totally dont remember Palpatine doing the wink wink nudge nudge thing (unless this was the leap the viewer was supposed to make), but like I said, its been a while since Ive seen the movie.
Isnt it possible she found this preferable to telling people she was raped? Granted, this leaves me making assumptions based on character behavior when it is clear Lucas was going for a Jesus thing.
The concept of being able to take on more than one enemy at a time is something I'm very intrigued by. I hate the feeling in WoW where I'm going through areas trying to find out the way that doesn't lead me to fighting 3 or 4 guys at once. As a priest, I consistently dreaded the prospect of questing because I knew there would be some kind of wandering mob situation, and if a second mob caught me on patrol while fighting another mob, I was basically either screwed or making a run for it hoping I didn't get slowed. As WoW has gone on, it seems like it's gotten to the point where most classes can take on a couple of similarly leveled opponents concurrently.
A companion strengthening to compensate for you picking a healer class is huge for me.
Rift has been reminding me of early WoW where, playing as a mage, I'm basically fucked if I get ambushed by backspawn or patrols or whatever.
A solid difficulty curve would go a long way to making me feel good about this game. Most games start off nice and slow and then the difficulty curve jumps to a ridiculous level because you aren't quite equipped or have the spells or whatever to handle it, and then it starts to ease up as you power up your spells and learn new ones. If they can buff companions instead of playing the balancing game with all the classes to create a more even leveling experience, that would be very cool.
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That's sort of necessary in order to keep the grind going, though. If everyone's able to finish all their quests naked, then what's the incentive to get sweet new gear? The curve obviously needs to start off at a softer gradient, in order to give people a chance to learn class/game mechanics. But eventually it should adjust to a point where you need to be prepared (both in terms of gear and 'skill') if you want to accomplish anything meaningful.
I get that Bioware continually plugging this as story-driven has a lot of people hoping that the incentive for progression will be to further the story rather than your stats. But really I think there's always going to be an element of the gear grind.