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edited December 2010
I find the troll 'romance' thing interesting because they do, with the exception of 'kismesis', relate to various forms of human relationships; they are just more rigorous and monster-like. Matesprit is obvious, Moirialegiance is a strong form of friendship, and most of us have had an 'auspistice' play cupid or relationship counselor for us. Kismesis seems more like a play on the whole 'hero vs. villain' shtick that dominates cartoons and video games. Hussey just trollifies it by making it one of the 2 reproductive forms of romance. The 'Venture Bros.' cartoons build much of their setting on the formalization of 'Kismesis' via the Guild of Calamitous intent.
The issue of troll gender is amusing since the only truly female troll would be the Mother Grub:winky:. All other trolls play the same gender role, since a pairing of any gender combo of trolls is a fertile pairing. All non-grub trolls could be considered male, since they do the insemination, but since they are combining with each others DNA rather than the mother grub's, this is not quite true. The question is, what is the mother grub? Will one of the last 11 trolls be able to become a mother grub, or are the trolls essentially extinct? Are only the 'Female' trolls capable of becoming mother grubs?
as for reading meaning into meaningless co-incidences, it's impossible to avoid trying because HomeStuck has so many wierd little goings on that seem co-incidental until they are revealed not to be. For example, Vriska's use of Jade as a guinea pig for learning how to put humans to sleep. Maybe this is just one of Hussie's ways of trolling his fans.
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For reference IDE is just a mispelling of idea that stuck.
Also, some things that you should keep in mind if you for some reason want to come up with a sane theory:
-We have heard every possible candidate for Jade's prototyping, in every combination. Yes, this still applies.
-When Future Dave said "rose is crazy jades crazier", he did not mean they literally go crazy. If your friend told you "oh you know, two of our friends are crazy", would you assume they are in an insane asylum?
-Future Dave is also not going to fight to the death with John just because he said they are having a competition. If you have ever had a competition you should probably know that most of the time it does not involve killing your best friend, and also John isn't really the type to commit murder for any reason.
-The Hemospectrum is an arbitrary caste system, and the alien equivalent of racism. It is recognized only by Alternian culture, and only two of the twelve trolls. Sburb does not acknowledge its existence, that would be the same thing as separating human players based on their skin color. This is also why gray, not red, is Karkat's associated color.
-Also, he's below the bottom of their caste system. His blood color does not "wrap around" to become the highest.
-Terezi's dream self is blind because she wants to be blind, as she prefers her smellovision to normal sight. If staring into Skaia could blind you then half the characters would be blind.
-We don't know the significance of the monitor with eight planets, but it is extremely unlikely that there is any.
-Humans do not have Troll Relationships! Any sane person would see a relationship based on hatred as pretty bad (if you did not realize this, you are a shipper and should seek help immediately).
-It is never said that First Guardians serve Lrd English. More likely Doc Scratch is a special case.
-There is no Ophiuchus Troll.
-Bro =/= Any anime characters
-Jade's land doesn't reference anime either.
-Most importantly, the best advice we can give you is do not attempt to look for patterns where there are none.
nonono
I am now positive that her sprite will now function as her dreamself as well
the idea that she'll get to be part dog when she goes to sleep is just too perfect
nonono
I am now positive that her sprite will now function as her dreamself as well
the idea that she'll get to be part dog when she goes to sleep is just too perfect
those horrorterrors should have just left her alone
later she will be a green magic dog and fuck their shit up
also for all you jade = furry people it was pretty explicitly said she wasn't a furry.
Where? Cause she seems like a fairly normal furry person to me.
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it is also probably exempt from the "doomed" rule because A) it's already dead and isn't from a failed timeline.
although based on what Dave said it's probably doomed anyway.
what did dave say and what doomed rule
also put me down for Jade keeps dreaming with the horrorterrors
although it would be cool for Jade to die on the questbed and go god tiers on top of being the twilight princess Link
it is also probably exempt from the "doomed" rule because A) it's already dead and isn't from a failed timeline.
although based on what Dave said it's probably doomed anyway.
what did dave say and what doomed rule
also put me down for Jade keeps dreaming with the horrorterrors
although it would be cool for Jade to die on the questbed and go god tiers on top of being the twilight princess Link
Well the nearly-universal rule (although it's not really a rule and more like a "this basically always happens" sort of thing) for prototyping is that the subject being prototyped is dead or doomed. Dream Jade falls into that category. The other doomed rule is that anything from a splinter timeline is doomed to die. So I really should have said rules.
And as far as what Dave said, he offered to be there for Jade after she'd done whatever she was going to do. Since she looks pretty content right now just having effectively erased her dog's consciousness (it's really more of a merging, but may as well be erasure since it's not the same) we can assume something else happens to require her need consoling.
I suspect he's an exception. We have no reason to think he was doomed, being effectively immortal. Although I guess you could argue that the green sun's destruction could cause the death of all the first guardians, thus he would be doomed. (if that ever even happens)
The game has no explicit rule that demands something dead for prototyping. But in practice, the kernelsprite has particular attraction to the deceased or the doomed. Across every session ever played, exceptions to this pattern are extremely rare
Extremely rare is pretty specific! Seems more likely that the inanimate object fall under the dead catagory than simple just being objects. Besides, Bec was a living creature.
it is also probably exempt from the "doomed" rule because A) it's already dead and isn't from a failed timeline.
although based on what Dave said it's probably doomed anyway.
what did dave say and what doomed rule
also put me down for Jade keeps dreaming with the horrorterrors
although it would be cool for Jade to die on the questbed and go god tiers on top of being the twilight princess Link
Well the nearly-universal rule (although it's not really a rule and more like a "this basically always happens" sort of thing) for prototyping is that the subject being prototyped is dead or doomed. Dream Jade falls into that category. The other doomed rule is that anything from a splinter timeline is doomed to die. So I really should have said rules.
And as far as what Dave said, he offered to be there for Jade after she'd done whatever she was going to do. Since she looks pretty content right now just having effectively erased her dog's consciousness (it's really more of a merging, but may as well be erasure since it's not the same) we can assume something else happens to require her need consoling.
Edit: forgot to type some stuff.
Ok. Yes I agree jadesprite isn't doomed. Though I was thinking exempt, like, you fulfill the preconditions but due to special circumstances you're immune.
it is also probably exempt from the "doomed" rule because A) it's already dead and isn't from a failed timeline.
although based on what Dave said it's probably doomed anyway.
what did dave say and what doomed rule
also put me down for Jade keeps dreaming with the horrorterrors
although it would be cool for Jade to die on the questbed and go god tiers on top of being the twilight princess Link
Well the nearly-universal rule (although it's not really a rule and more like a "this basically always happens" sort of thing) for prototyping is that the subject being prototyped is dead or doomed. Dream Jade falls into that category. The other doomed rule is that anything from a splinter timeline is doomed to die. So I really should have said rules.
And as far as what Dave said, he offered to be there for Jade after she'd done whatever she was going to do. Since she looks pretty content right now just having effectively erased her dog's consciousness (it's really more of a merging, but may as well be erasure since it's not the same) we can assume something else happens to require her need consoling.
Edit: forgot to type some stuff.
Ok. Yes I agree jadesprite isn't doomed. Though I was thinking exempt, like, you fulfill the preconditions but due to special circumstances you're immune.
I'd say that Bec's prototyping was a special circumstance, considering that much of the story centers around it. Bec's a rather unique creature in the first place. Perhaps violations to the rule cause in-game catastrophes.
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The issue of troll gender is amusing since the only truly female troll would be the Mother Grub:winky:. All other trolls play the same gender role, since a pairing of any gender combo of trolls is a fertile pairing. All non-grub trolls could be considered male, since they do the insemination, but since they are combining with each others DNA rather than the mother grub's, this is not quite true. The question is, what is the mother grub? Will one of the last 11 trolls be able to become a mother grub, or are the trolls essentially extinct? Are only the 'Female' trolls capable of becoming mother grubs?
as for reading meaning into meaningless co-incidences, it's impossible to avoid trying because HomeStuck has so many wierd little goings on that seem co-incidental until they are revealed not to be. For example, Vriska's use of Jade as a guinea pig for learning how to put humans to sleep. Maybe this is just one of Hussie's ways of trolling his fans.
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Also, some things that you should keep in mind if you for some reason want to come up with a sane theory:
-We have heard every possible candidate for Jade's prototyping, in every combination. Yes, this still applies.
-When Future Dave said "rose is crazy jades crazier", he did not mean they literally go crazy. If your friend told you "oh you know, two of our friends are crazy", would you assume they are in an insane asylum?
-Future Dave is also not going to fight to the death with John just because he said they are having a competition. If you have ever had a competition you should probably know that most of the time it does not involve killing your best friend, and also John isn't really the type to commit murder for any reason.
-The Hemospectrum is an arbitrary caste system, and the alien equivalent of racism. It is recognized only by Alternian culture, and only two of the twelve trolls. Sburb does not acknowledge its existence, that would be the same thing as separating human players based on their skin color. This is also why gray, not red, is Karkat's associated color.
-Also, he's below the bottom of their caste system. His blood color does not "wrap around" to become the highest.
-Terezi's dream self is blind because she wants to be blind, as she prefers her smellovision to normal sight. If staring into Skaia could blind you then half the characters would be blind.
-We don't know the significance of the monitor with eight planets, but it is extremely unlikely that there is any.
-Humans do not have Troll Relationships! Any sane person would see a relationship based on hatred as pretty bad (if you did not realize this, you are a shipper and should seek help immediately).
-It is never said that First Guardians serve Lrd English. More likely Doc Scratch is a special case.
-There is no Ophiuchus Troll.
-Bro =/= Any anime characters
-Jade's land doesn't reference anime either.
-Most importantly, the best advice we can give you is do not attempt to look for patterns where there are none.
Trolls are ok
let's not be hasty here
same here, hi5
if this is a prototyping of jade's dream self
does jade's consciousness go to it when she goes to sleep?
I'd imagine no since that would likely be seen as cheating the rules by sburb.
oh
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that is too cool of an idea for it not to be what happens
although based on what Dave said it's probably doomed anyway.
I am now positive that her sprite will now function as her dreamself as well
the idea that she'll get to be part dog when she goes to sleep is just too perfect
those horrorterrors should have just left her alone
later she will be a green magic dog and fuck their shit up
She would enjoy being an animal person, she just thinks the idea of fursuits is dumb.
Ah, that's true. Synth actually already posted the quote earlier. So yeah, pretty furry.
what did dave say and what doomed rule
also put me down for Jade keeps dreaming with the horrorterrors
although it would be cool for Jade to die on the questbed and go god tiers on top of being the twilight princess Link
Well the nearly-universal rule (although it's not really a rule and more like a "this basically always happens" sort of thing) for prototyping is that the subject being prototyped is dead or doomed. Dream Jade falls into that category. The other doomed rule is that anything from a splinter timeline is doomed to die. So I really should have said rules.
And as far as what Dave said, he offered to be there for Jade after she'd done whatever she was going to do. Since she looks pretty content right now just having effectively erased her dog's consciousness (it's really more of a merging, but may as well be erasure since it's not the same) we can assume something else happens to require her need consoling.
Edit: forgot to type some stuff.
Like the Frog Head statue.
Things can be prototyped, any things. Kernels are just attracted to the dead or doomed.
Tossing around dead bodies like they're nothing
putting a little arc on it because why the hell not
Extremely rare is pretty specific! Seems more likely that the inanimate object fall under the dead catagory than simple just being objects. Besides, Bec was a living creature.
Ok. Yes I agree jadesprite isn't doomed. Though I was thinking exempt, like, you fulfill the preconditions but due to special circumstances you're immune.
It's stuffed, but yeah, probably still going to have some weight.
eh?
eh?
no, but that was pretty bad and I didn't get what joke you were making until you quoted it like there was something to get that we had missed
where's her feet?
you may be on to something
quality response, seriously
I'd say that Bec's prototyping was a special circumstance, considering that much of the story centers around it. Bec's a rather unique creature in the first place. Perhaps violations to the rule cause in-game catastrophes.
jadesprite seems less than happy
crwth