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Doctor who linked [Autism & Vaccines] falsified data
Atomika
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This has been going around for years now since Dr. Andrew Wakefield first published his study in 1998 that suggested a link between various vaccines and autism spectrum disorders. However, after a now years-long investigation by the British Medical Journal, scientists have concluded that Wakefield purposefully skewed data and control groups to support his hypotheses in the subject.
What is rarely mentioned in the context of vaccine-autism connection is that the study was done on the behalf of a class action suit that alleged that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine had led to developmental discrepancies in young children. Dr. Wakefield testified for the prosecution in that case, and it has now been found that he was paid approximately $750,000 USD for his services in that case.
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What is rarely mentioned in the context of vaccine-autism connection is that the study was done on the behalf of a class action suit that alleged that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine had led to developmental discrepancies in young children. Dr. Wakefield testified for the prosecution in that case, and it has now been found that he was paid approximately $750,000 USD for his services in that case.
The rest of the article can be found here.
Be sure to read on through the article to catch all the great "I don't care what the data says, I'm still not vaccinating my kids. Because of what the data said," action.
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Just... wow.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm hoping these fraud charges get some play in the media, since apparently just telling people "look, the data is not there to support these bs claims" is not enough to open their minds to reality. Maybe now they will listen...?
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You're 2/3rds right.
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correlation does not equal causation.
I just don't get it, do they ignore all the advice from their doctors or do they selectively ignore certain things such as vaccines?
It doesn't help matters that celebrities start espousing the evils of vaccines and write books and what have you.
a disturbingly large majority of people will follow practically anything a celebrity says or does.
I bet a celebrity told you to say that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJuf6G5P2_s
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A massage clinic near me has a copy of one of those "vaccies = autism" books on the table in their waiting room. I was furious and walked out, but regret not doing more.
I'm not exactly sure what the causation is, but far left-wing western cultures, many asian cultures, and many hispanic cultures have a strange dichotomy of being absolutely obsessive about their health while at the same time completely disavowing science and medicine.
I see it at work fairly frequently, and it's infuriating, because you literally can't tell these people anything. They have their minds made up, and there's nothing you can do except continue to wonder how they still wound up at my hospital. I've honest-to-God have had patients come into the ER and tell me that they don't believe in doctors or prescription medicine.
It takes everything I've got to keep from saying, "And what do you think it is that we do here?"
Why are they there if they don't think you can help? *Brain singes* I smell burnt toast. :shock:
Refuses.
And she's a school teacher.
sigh.
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I honestly don't know. Here's the dialogue I had with one patient when she came in:
"So what's going on today?"
"I'm having some chest pain and my feet are swelling."
"Have you been diagnosed with congestive heart failure before?"
"A while back."
"What do you take for it?"
"Oh, the doctors tried to get me to take diuretics, but I don't believe in doctors. They're just liars who want your money. I take Noni juice and fish oil every day."
I mean, nothing about it ever makes sense.
Another one I get a lot is, "I don't know why I'm feeling bad, but I've been feeling this way for a while now. But I'm sure I'm not sick."
"How's that?"
"I never get sick and I've never had anything wrong with me."
"How do you know that?"
"Because I've never had to go to the doctor."
The last guy that told me that ended up leaving the hospital a week later due to needing a mitral value replacement.
First, humans naturally seek answers to anything they don't know. (Those BS theories about how words are formed are a prime example--you know, "golf" supposedly coming from the acronym "Gentlemen Only, Ladies Forbidden" and so on. It would be so easy to just say, "We don't know where that word comes from", but we have this NEED to know, so we make shit up.)
Second, vaccines are "scary" to some people because they involve injections with a weakened version of the disease. Some people only get as far as "version of the disease" and freak out without bothering to understand that your immune system will kick butt and then protect you against the "real" version of the disease.
Third, "vaccines made my kid autistic" is more comforting to some people than "my genes made my kid autistic." "Vaccines" make a nice external scapegoat. "My genes" puts the blame back on the parents. Or you could go with "I don't know what made my kid autistic", but as mentioned before, people are very resistant to "I don't know" and often prefer to make up an answer, even if it's wrong.
None of this changes that not getting your kid vaccinated is incredibly selfish, not only to your kid, but also to all the other kids who come in contact with him.
how can that not factor in here?
some people, I swear, need to be beaten with something.
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A good explaination of the News Media's involvement.
EDIT: Got a better clip that doesn't cut off.
I think this is a big part of it, and unfortunately this factor aggravates the confirmation bias already inherent in the situation. E.G when a study of the unvaccinated Amish turns up a lower incidence of autism they don't take into account the fact that the Amish also make up a gene pool largely isolated from the population as a whole.
Very true . . . Also, the Amish live in an environment so very different from that of other Americans. If autism is caused by something kids are exposed to (I don't want to speculate because I don't know what's been studied and what hasn't) . . . well, Amish kids are going to be exposed to completely different things. To hold up the Amish as "proof" that vaccines cause autism doesn't make sense. You might as well suggest that being around cows prevents autism.
and 3, you get the undeniable right to say to your ex: "I was right and you where wrong". Which is a gift few men get.
Seriously. Two tumbs up on your son.
Honestly, this shouldn't even be a choice. We should mandate a large handful of necessary vaccines for all citizens and resident aliens with only medical exemptions by panel (rather than just Dr. Antivaxx). Failure to be vaccinated makes a person a danger to those around them.
Exactly, and for that exact reason I think vaccines should be mandatory. We make them mandatory for soldiers, and we make them mandatory for immigrants and migrant workers. We shouldn't let people opt out of a system that not only endangers the child, but the community the child lives in.
Thankfully they won't be living long.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's not quite true. A vaccine protects you from getting sick, but you can still carry the illness and infect other non-immune (ie non-vaccinated) people. You are no more a danger to those around your un-vaccinated than vaccinated. You are simply a danger to yourself.
I think the core issue here is that people aren't getting their kids vaccinated. Kids don't have a choice in the matter, and therefore are being put in danger by their parent's inaction.
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There's also been a blurring of the line between "real, actual autism" and "my child occasionally misbehaves, he must have AUTISM."
My mom actually blames technology for today's high incidence. Sub-diagnosis people became highly eligible engineers and techies instead of going into the clergy like they used to (this may be why Jews have such high incidence, as the rabbinical career path has traditionally been our most nebbish and our most eligible career path). That's what she thinks is the reason for silicon valley and metro-Boston being autism hot spots.
The issue is that:
a. Vaccination does not have a 100% success rate. If my vaccination fails to grant immunity, then I need to rely on everyone around me to not murder me by ignorance.
b. Communicable diseases rely on vectors. The more unvaccinated people that are around, the faster diseases spread, the more able they are to persist, the less likely vaccinated people will be protected.
c. People with immune deficiencies rely on others to protect them. Just like we don't kill mentally retarded people because they are inconvenient, we ought not avoid vaccines and endanger those who cannot protect themselves.
Also, unvaccinated people are petri dishes for diseases to change in, thereby allowing them to become unrecognizable to vaccinated immune systems.
Makes you wonder what they think hospitals are for.
It depends on the vaccine and the disease. You are right in the case of a few vaccines (like the killed polio vaccine) but not for most. Most vaccines effectively speed up the body's response with the result that the vaccinated person doesn't ever have a high enough load of the infectious agent to spread it to other people.
Stories like this make me wonder if I would be considered "high functioning autistic". And they also make me wonder if this label even really means anything - I mean what is the metric here? Introverted and Intelligent?
I mean full fledged autistic cases, sure, thats a thing. But these borderline cases make me wonder. Of course I haven't really studied the issue - I'm essentially speculating out of ignorance.