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112th Congress! Go Go Gadget Grandstanding!

enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
edited February 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
So the new Congress was convened this Wednesday. There are more new freshman than any year since 1992, so that's exciting. The House was turned over to the Republicans and they have instituted some new rules, most notably what they're calling "Cut-Go" where any new spending has to be offset by cuts elsewhere, unless the Republicans don't feel like applying the rule. This will mostly apply to tax cuts, but also their attempt to repeal the health care bill passed in the last Congress (which obviously would be vetoed so doesn't actually matter), as such a repeal the CBO reports would result in a large deficit increase.

Mostly there have been some stunts, such as the reading of the US Constitution, which was interrupted by a stupid ridiculous birther heckler when it came to the natural born citizen sections. You can probably expect a lot of that kind thing wheeee! /Democrat

The new Speaker is John Boehner of Ohio.

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He's... not all that impressive, frankly. And doesn't know of anything he'd actually cut despite railing against spending all summer and fall. So that's exciting. He's also very orange. But now he has a relative amount of power.

In the Senate, the Democratic majority is down to 53 votes. Harry Reid remains majority leader, Mitch McConnell remains minority leader. There are some efforts led by Sen. Merkeley (D-OR) and Udall (D-NM, I think; correct me if it's the other brother) to reform the filibuster which will go on for a while until the Senate's first day is technically over. Don't ask me, Senate rules are still confusing.

Meanwhile, this guy is still President.

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So it seems like not much of the far more radical House agenda will make it into law, but some stuff has to get done. Mostly the budget and increases in the debt limit. We'll see exactly what the agenda looks like in the State of the Union in a couple weeks. It's fairly safe to predict there will be some marginal things pushed for but no real major initiatives. It should be a fairly typical second half of a first term, with the President trying to win re-election and the members of the opposition trying to out pander to their base. Which could lead to some fun results among the contenders (Palin, Pawlenty, Thune, Bachmann (seriously), Newt's latest book, Romney, DeMint, Daniels, etc).

Finally, a word from jacobkosh:

I expect to see a lot more mature behavior in this thread soon or it will take a vacation. Some of you have a problem with DeaconBlues' posting style! That's fine. If he baits you, or appears not to be arguing in good faith, report him. If that immensely simple concept is too much work for you - if you can't be bothered to take that simple step - don't compound the mistake by making the thread about him instead of its stated topic.

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    dojangodojango Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Bachmann

    This is some sick joke, right? I mean, she's not a serious candidate any more than say, Kucinich was a serious candidate.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The Udalls are cousins, and I think it is the NM Udall at the forefront of this. Also, it's been a few decades since we had a Speaker from a less populous state. California, Illinois, Georgia, and then Washington.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thats Boehner after drinking the entire fountain of youth

    What is that, his high school year book photo?

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    dojango wrote: »
    Bachmann

    This is some sick joke, right? I mean, she's not a serious candidate any more than say, Kucinich was a serious candidate.
    She's gaining some steam. Remember, primaries are dominated by the activist base, especially when they're closed. For Republicans, that means Tea Partiers and other assorted anti-government whackoes. Bachmann plays extremely well with that crowd.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    She's on her way to Iowa, that's all I know.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I hope they put up Bachmann or Palin or some other autowin for the Dems

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thats Boehner after drinking the entire fountain of youth

    What is that, his high school year book photo?

    I was being nice and didn't intentionally take a shitty photo of him.

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    TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    As an Ohioan: sorry.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bachmann and palin.

    together.

    surely the world will implode at that, right? I mean...

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bachmann and palin.

    together.

    surely the world will implode at that, right? I mean...
    Bachmann/Palin 2012

    But not Palin/Bachmann 2012, because Palin Bachmann Overdrive doesn't make any sense.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thats Boehner after drinking the entire fountain of youth

    What is that, his high school year book photo?

    I was being nice and didn't intentionally take a shitty photo of him.

    Man at least don't grab the shooped one.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thats Boehner after drinking the entire fountain of youth

    What is that, his high school year book photo?

    I was being nice and didn't intentionally take a shitty photo of him.

    Man at least don't grab the shooped one.
    I think that's his freshman photo.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    In that photo, he looks a bit like Travolta. Ordinarily, he looks like The Orange Man. It was hilarious when he whined about the tax on tanning beds, because ordinarily he and his wife claim that it's his natural skin color.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thats Boehner after drinking the entire fountain of youth

    What is that, his high school year book photo?

    I was being nice and didn't intentionally take a shitty photo of him.

    How about this one

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    He's smiling!
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    Witch_Hunter_84Witch_Hunter_84 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Would it be dickish of me to e-mail the new Speaker every week to enquire why the Republican Party hasn't fixed the economy yet? Then ask if he hates America?

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    SkulkrakenSkulkraken Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Would it be dickish of me to e-mail the new Speaker every week to enquire why the Republican Party hasn't fixed the economy yet? Then ask if he hates America?

    Wouldn't it just end up being read by a secretary or intern instead of him, though?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Would it be dickish of me to e-mail the new Speaker every week to enquire why the Republican Party hasn't fixed the economy yet? Then ask if he hates America?
    Aside from possibly convincing some idealistic young republican staffer that "people" are stupid I don't see it accomplishing much.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bachmann and palin.

    together.

    surely the world will implode at that, right? I mean...

    Comedy writers would be down to working one hour days.

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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    I hope they put up Bachmann or Palin or some other autowin for the Dems

    If you'd asked me two years ago, after they were crushed by Obama, I would have said they'd be insane to put up a hardliner.

    But it's like, no matter what happens, or what goes wrong, or what the polls say, their answer is always "become more conservative!" At this point, I would honestly not be surprised to see Bachmann get the nom.

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I hope they put up Bachmann or Palin or some other autowin for the Dems

    If you'd asked me two years ago, after they were crushed by Obama, I would have said they'd be insane to put up a hardliner.

    But it's like, no matter what happens, or what goes wrong, or what the polls say, their answer is always "become more conservative!" At this point, I would honestly not be surprised to see Bachmann get the nom.

    This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't always the Democrats' answer as well

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I hope they put up Bachmann or Palin or some other autowin for the Dems

    If you'd asked me two years ago, after they were crushed by Obama, I would have said they'd be insane to put up a hardliner.

    But it's like, no matter what happens, or what goes wrong, or what the polls say, their answer is always "become more conservative!" At this point, I would honestly not be surprised to see Bachmann get the nom.

    This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't always the Democrats' answer as well

    This is actually a well calculated assault on the right. The Democrats keep advancing into republican values, forcing the Republicans to retreat deeper into conservative territory. Middle ground conservative votes will be overtaken by the encroaching left. LIberal votes will stay with the party out of fear of the increasingly monstrous opposition.

    In the 2016 elections the Democratic party will draw a clean 66% of the vote in all districts. Then, brimming with power absolute, and fueled by self loathing, the Democratic party will order the execution of Republican leadership, and then turn our nuclear arsenal on itself.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If only that first paragraph actually happened.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If only the first sentence actually happened.

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    KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yes, what actually happens is that Democrats do things that Republicans want and Republicans get the credit

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    SquirrelmobSquirrelmob Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If only that first paragraph didn't happen.

    Or, alternatively, if only people thought that the first paragraph didn't need to happen.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm curious to see if the young vote comes out 2012. I know last election most of the young crowd ended up not voting at all. The newer generation voters who are definitely not conservative were the ones who were responsible for Obama getting into office.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2011
    The first page of this thread did not include a whole lot of discussion of actual congress.

    I expect the second page will have less to say about things like 2012 presidential noms and the like.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So.

    No bills this week will allow open discussion.

    None of them will allow a free amendment process.

    None of them will include the vaunted "Constitution Citation" that we've heard so much about.

    Two of the voting members of the House as of this morning weren't actually members of the House.

    One of them sat as a committee chair before actually being sworn in for realsies.

    We skipped part of the Constitution today because "the pages stuck together".

    We're off to a hell of a start.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So, what was this about them not reading the whole constitution? I remember it being asked, but I only noticed joke answers

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Spoit wrote: »
    So, what was this about them not reading the whole constitution? I remember it being asked, but I only noticed joke answers
    They skipped things like the 3/5 compromise and the institution of prohibition (though not its repeal), saying that they weren't relevant because they've been "repealed".

    They also managed to skip the end of one Article and the start of the next Article because Bob Goodlatte turned too many pages.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Spoit wrote: »
    So, what was this about them not reading the whole constitution? I remember it being asked, but I only noticed joke answers
    They skipped things like the 3/5 compromise and the institution of prohibition (though not its repeal), saying that they weren't relevant because they've been "repealed".

    They also managed to skip the end of one Article and the start of the next Article because Bob Goodlatte turned too many pages.

    Most of that shit's not important anyway.

    So, aside from some hope for filibuster reform, is there any "real" business coming up anytime soon in either chamber? I feel like I must be out of the loop, or something.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nope! Symbolic crap, vetoed crap, and then I imagine we'll be arguing about taxes for a while.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    They're floating some red meat, dead-on-arrival-in-the-senate bills in the House. Repealing HCR and Wall Street reform, specifically.

    After that; investigations.

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    YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It looks like the new GOP target is the CBO score of the health care bill. The CBO says repealing it will add two hundred something billion to the deficit. The GOP doesn't like that number, so they're gonna try and discredit it. My personal guess is that the first Republican description of the CBO as "socialist" will happen inside of a week.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    They're floating some red meat, dead-on-arrival-in-the-senate bills in the House. Repealing HCR and Wall Street reform, specifically.

    After that; investigations.

    And they already broken a good half-dozen promises by not allowing amendments, open debate, etc on the bills they have introduced. Also apparently said they would publicize who attends all committee hearings and have broken that one, too.

    Also, the 3/5ths of a person and 18th amendment may no longer apply but they are absolutely important parts of the constitution. What's the line? Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It looks like the new GOP target is the CBO score of the health care bill. The CBO says repealing it will add two hundred something billion to the deficit. The GOP doesn't like that number, so they're gonna try and discredit it. My personal guess is that the first Republican description of the CBO as "socialist" will happen inside of a week.
    The new House Rules allow them to ignore CBO scoring for the purposes of bypassing Pay-Go. As I recall, they can use the estimate from the chair of the budget committee instead of the CBO numbers.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So GOP bills are always cheap and Dem bills cost a ton.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So GOP bills are always cheap and Dem bills cost a ton.
    Specifically; tax cuts cost nothing.

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    YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    It looks like the new GOP target is the CBO score of the health care bill. The CBO says repealing it will add two hundred something billion to the deficit. The GOP doesn't like that number, so they're gonna try and discredit it. My personal guess is that the first Republican description of the CBO as "socialist" will happen inside of a week.
    The new House Rules allow them to ignore CBO scoring for the purposes of bypassing Pay-Go. As I recall, they can use the estimate from the chair of the budget committee instead of the CBO numbers.

    More than just ignoring it for parliamentary purposes, I suspect their goal is to paint it as a partisan institution in the eyes of the public.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    It looks like the new GOP target is the CBO score of the health care bill. The CBO says repealing it will add two hundred something billion to the deficit. The GOP doesn't like that number, so they're gonna try and discredit it. My personal guess is that the first Republican description of the CBO as "socialist" will happen inside of a week.
    The new House Rules allow them to ignore CBO scoring for the purposes of bypassing Pay-Go. As I recall, they can use the estimate from the chair of the budget committee instead of the CBO numbers.

    More than just ignoring it for parliamentary purposes, I suspect their goal is to paint it as a partisan institution in the eyes of the public.

    It was inevitable after it scored the Health Care Reform bill as deficit reducing.

    Suddenly, after that came out, all the hack conservatives I talked to were bad-mouthing the CBO.

    And they started the whole thing up again recently too. It seems marching orders went out recently on this front.

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