Just had one of those games where we went 0-8 in the first 15 minutes.
Thinking of doing a defensive team comp that is really hard to push against.
Janna, Heimer, Karthus Shen/Rammus. A fortify or two.
If losing, tower hug till you get them to do a stupid dive, then counter push.
I always seem to lose games to these types of teams. Particularly if the Karthus ult does enough damage prevent us from pushing.
Who would be a good 5th?
Also, advice on champs to counter team AOE?
It's hard to do because sitting at your tower means your enemies eventually say "nah, fuck you, we're gonna take all the neutral objectives".
You need to be able to win a team fight and if you can do that, why are you tower hugging to begin with?
A good defensive team can certainly extend a game and help you come back from a bad start. But unless you have some decent carry damage dealers, there's basically no way to win, other than hoping the enemy team gets frustrated, greedy, and gets some stupid deaths late in the game. With death timers, a late team wipe can really really hurt. If the enemy team instead lets you turtle, takes all the neutral spawns and manages to take out one or two people, you're boned. From my experience, damage seems to snowball more than defense, especially with the AP metagame where it's at right now.
Would be interesting to see though, especially if you all run revive.
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SpectrumArcher of InfernoChaldea Rec RoomRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Lost a game earlier against super tank team all running Revive/Fort because people couldn't stop being out of position and getting picked off. Kind of frustrating to lose that way, but otherwise it was a crap strategy.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Team Fat is a fairly solid matchup against a standard team composition, considering they begin to snowball lategame.
Most epic win of all time, we started off 1 kill to 13 and turned it around and won after 50 minutes. I had aboslutely no faith in my team at all but they started acting smart, quit face checking and diving and we dominated team fights.
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
I've got 6300 IP.. Thinking about buying Vlad or Swain.. I've played Vlad and know that I like him and am decent (for having only played a few games during free week).. What's the general consensus of Swain? I thought he was terrible, but lately the few that I have seen have been raping faces, and his ult makes him damn near invincible on what seems like a very low CD..
How is Swain built?
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
I've got 6300 IP.. Thinking about buying Vlad or Swain.. I've played Vlad and know that I like him and am decent (for having only played a few games during free week).. What's the general consensus of Swain? I thought he was terrible, but lately the few that I have seen have been raping faces, and his ult makes him damn near invincible on what seems like a very low CD..
How is Swain built?
If you can stand it, you could wait for a free Swain week. I got him at release and enjoy him, but he's a character that's not for everyone.
He can be played more tanky or more caster. I tend to build a tear early and turn it into a staff or manamune (yeah that's right!). I've done well with him doing a tank/mana thing with a Spirit Visage to ult the crap out of team fights. I've also done well doing a hybrid AD dps build to use in combination with his E debuff on someone.
AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Does volley hit multiple times if you hit them with multiple arrows, ie- point blank volley would destroy, or does it only do damage once like any other cone effect?
Does volley hit multiple times if you hit them with multiple arrows, ie- point blank volley would destroy, or does it only do damage once like any other cone effect?
Only one.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
I had a good game as lux but I did not get the snowball ap item and we ended up losing
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Watching Tree's stream with Hotshot in the background for commentary as they play a game on opposite teams is the most amusing thing. Particularly when Tree ganks Hotshot.
Watching Tree's stream with Hotshot in the background for commentary as they play a game on opposite teams is the most amusing thing. Particularly when Tree ganks Hotshot.
Edit: Hotshot shroom death xD
Can you throw up a link to his stream?
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
I can't do dick for damage, but if we've got superior numbers and there's an enemy within a 10 mile radius, he's going to die. I punish the enemy relentlessly for being out of position, vis-a-vis my teammates.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
A Taric not getting a Cap?
Shameful.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Hooray, Tree and Hotshot are playing against each other again!
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A good defensive team can certainly extend a game and help you come back from a bad start. But unless you have some decent carry damage dealers, there's basically no way to win, other than hoping the enemy team gets frustrated, greedy, and gets some stupid deaths late in the game. With death timers, a late team wipe can really really hurt. If the enemy team instead lets you turtle, takes all the neutral spawns and manages to take out one or two people, you're boned. From my experience, damage seems to snowball more than defense, especially with the AP metagame where it's at right now.
Would be interesting to see though, especially if you all run revive.
Currently DMing: None
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
What class are you trying to buy runes for still?
Everything?
Really no one specific at this point. I only have 3 pages and I have my basic set ups
Tank
9 red armor pen
9 yellow armor
9 spell pen
3 health
Caster
9 red spell pen
9 yellow MP5 per level
9 blue CDR
3 AP
Physical
9 red armor pen
9 armor yellow
9 blue CDR
3 health
I know I need more runes but I don't know which ones. I could start buying the rest of the 3150 champs but I don't know where to start there either.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Important runes for just about anyone:
HP quints
Mpen or Arpen marks
Mp/5/lvl yellows and blues
CDR blues
Armor yellows (if you like to jungle)
MR/lvl blues
But if you have a specific character in mind, then things could be different...
How is Swain built?
Well right now I have
Red
9 AS
9 Armor Pen
9 Spell Pen
Blue
9 AS
9 CDR
9 Spell Pen
Yellow
9 AS
9 Flat Armor
9 MP5 per Level
Quint
3 AS
3 AP (Halloween)
3 HP (Halloween)
3 Dodge (Halloween)
3 Move Speed (Halloween)
3 Spell Pen (Halloween)
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
If you can stand it, you could wait for a free Swain week. I got him at release and enjoy him, but he's a character that's not for everyone.
He can be played more tanky or more caster. I tend to build a tear early and turn it into a staff or manamune (yeah that's right!). I've done well with him doing a tank/mana thing with a Spirit Visage to ult the crap out of team fights. I've also done well doing a hybrid AD dps build to use in combination with his E debuff on someone.
Currently DMing: None
Characters
[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
good god that would be OP if ashe could hit someone seven times at once
Only one.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
Tree uses the worst music for his stream, and why does he use AOLRadio?
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
it's really good as is
Red:
Flat AD (helps most other junglers more than ArPen, but AS is acceptable)
Blue:
MP5 per level
AP per level
MR per level
Quints:
ArPen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4JMAGiNfM
AP Ashe + Morgana, goooooooo.
Cool, thanks for the help. Gonna get to work on those
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Edit: Hotshot shroom death xD
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Can you throw up a link to his stream?
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Hotshot: http://www.own3d.tv/live/214
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
You're kind of out of luck when AP Lux is carrying the team.
You can only do so much if your team is struggling and all your skills are cooling down.
tree and hotshot are being dramatic in their respective streams
talking about each other, ghosting each other's streams
instead of having a conversation :P
Luckily our gimmick was ultimately superior!
I can't do dick for damage, but if we've got superior numbers and there's an enemy within a 10 mile radius, he's going to die. I punish the enemy relentlessly for being out of position, vis-a-vis my teammates.
Shameful.
Currently DMing: None
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
hotshot's stream throws me off because he sometimes doesn't view messages or an irc channel but is still responding to someone's questions
try? so they failed to do it?
I think it's his streaming program, allowing it to broadcast one window while letting the streamer do whatever in the background.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12