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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Play Monopoly and strangle each other.

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  • Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Vacuum, hide the porno, rent a Mercedes to cover up your failings and temporarily establish your dominance in the old sibling rivalry.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Iruka wrote: »
    Flash is an elaborate instrument of torture designed specifically to undermine the animation process in every way and yet remain industry standard.

    It's industry standard because it took forever for the older animators to learn it. Now they simply refuse to let go and relearn a better program because they're crotchety old folks who hate technology with the white hot passion of a thousand suns.


    EDIT: Daaaaaaaaaaaang

    http://i.imgur.com/sj4Vy.jpg

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  • tapeslingertapeslinger Space Unicorn Slush Ranger Social Justice Rebel ScumRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    it was the first edvanced programming language that allowed you to have some kind of cross-platform standardization, too... a big goal of early webdesign is sameness, needing the experience to be able to transcend formatting between all different kinds of sites. Not that it often *happened* but it was an expected goal and Flash was supposed to help make that happen. Javascript isn't cut out to do the heavy lifting Flash can accomplish.

    That said, with the options now available out there, Flash is the worst possible memory hogging counter intuitive monstrosity.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    SO I have a stupid completely irrelevent question.

    1st, does anyone play SC2? I'll add you on battle net and we can get down.

    2nd, does anyone know where I can find A) Good build information for protoss (how to create a build, maybe a preexisting build) , and B) Download competition replays so I can view them in SC2, or videos of the same thing?

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    it was the first edvanced programming language that allowed you to have some kind of cross-platform standardization, too... a big goal of early webdesign is sameness, needing the experience to be able to transcend formatting between all different kinds of sites. Not that it often *happened* but it was an expected goal and Flash was supposed to help make that happen. Javascript isn't cut out to do the heavy lifting Flash can accomplish.

    That said, with the options now available out there, Flash is the worst possible memory hogging counter intuitive monstrosity.

    I can tell you right now that ActionScript is a poor man's Java script, and the coding for AS is so confining it's staggering. Literally every web design program out there has surpassed it in every way possible, and Apple not rolling with Flash support was the kiss of death.


    It is dying. There is nothing to save it. It's definitely the industry standard right now (especially in Toronto), but like you said that's because it was the first one of it's kind out there. Now there are better toys to play with, and it's no longer wise to bet on anymore.

    It will take time for it to go; i'd give it a full ten years at best. But it will go extinct. HTML5 will take its place as top dog for coding, ToonBoom will probably become standard for animation by then, Java will be Java and users will use whatever the hell program they want to do CSS in.

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  • tapeslingertapeslinger Space Unicorn Slush Ranger Social Justice Rebel ScumRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Godfather wrote: »
    it was the first edvanced programming language that allowed you to have some kind of cross-platform standardization, too... a big goal of early webdesign is sameness, needing the experience to be able to transcend formatting between all different kinds of sites. Not that it often *happened* but it was an expected goal and Flash was supposed to help make that happen. Javascript isn't cut out to do the heavy lifting Flash can accomplish.

    That said, with the options now available out there, Flash is the worst possible memory hogging counter intuitive monstrosity.

    I can tell you right now that ActionScript is a poor man's Java script, and the coding for AS is so confining it's staggering. Literally every web design program out there has surpassed it in every way possible, and Apple not rolling with Flash support was the kiss of death.


    It is dying. There is nothing to save it. It's definitely the industry standard right now (especially in Toronto), but like you said that's because it was the first one of it's kind out there. Now there are better toys to play with, and it's no longer wise to bet on anymore.

    It will take time for it to go; i'd give it a full ten years at best. But it will go extinct. HTML5 will take its place as top dog for coding, ToonBoom will probably become standard for animation by then, Java will be Java and users will use whatever the hell program they want to do CSS in.

    My post was more meant to highlight the "olol OLD" of Flash than of its 'superb' features. Those features of AS which are confining now... probably saved its bacon back in the day wrt to standardization. It's never been GREAT, it was just sort of the standardbearer to get digital design out of the dark ages.

    HTML5 is basically the shape of things to come and I look forward to it eagerly.

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Damn, that other girl i was talking to is also in a relationship. Seriously, what is it with this place.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Don't worry, I heard ya, I was just adding my two cents into the fray.

    I think the only real problem with HTML5 is that right now there's not much of a push to really see what it can do at this point. It's going to take many years before we're gonna see what puppy can really do.

    At this school i'll (hopefully) be attending next year, Flash is something you need to learn how to do in order to survive in the working environment, but it's kind of a pain in the ass to learn a program that will be obsolete in every sense given a few years. There are people at the school who will defend it to the death, and I had to attend a couple of Flash-based seminars a few weeks ago talking about how great and versatile the program was, but it felt like they were stacking on a house of cards.

    I hardly know how to code at all, but from what i've heard through my veteran web-design friend and through professional opinion, Flash is gonna get crushed. It's just a bummer i'm forced to learn this stupid program at the moment.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Thanks for recommending Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain AC folks, it's pretty mind blowing

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    What kind of markers do I want to buy for doing grayscale shading?

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  • tapeslingertapeslinger Space Unicorn Slush Ranger Social Justice Rebel ScumRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    NibCrom wrote: »
    What kind of markers do I want to buy for doing grayscale shading?

    I have the Neutral Grey Copics set and the Neutral Grey Prismacolors set

    I overwhelmingly prefer the Copics. they bleed less, they stink less and they blend better. Even with the blender marker my Prismas get a scratchy look that I don't get with Copics.

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Is $58 a reasonable price for a set of 12?! These things seem super expensive.

    http://www.amazon.com/Copic-ORIGINAL-Markers-Color-Set/dp/B000MRSUP8/

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  • squidbunnysquidbunny Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I've only used stinky Prismacolors and never had a full value range of Copics to play with so I dunno about that, but either way you go I'd say buy a pack of the full range first, and see which values you find yourself using most and then just buy those individually going forward. I used to always blow through 10%, 40% and 70% three times faster than the other ones for some reason.

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    NibCrom wrote: »
    Is $58 a reasonable price for a set of 12?! These things seem super expensive.

    http://www.amazon.com/Copic-ORIGINAL-Markers-Color-Set/dp/B000MRSUP8/

    Maybe this is why I always had Prismacolors. A 12-pack of greys from them on Amazon is $26. Cheap high if you keep your windows shut.

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Tapeslinger, Squids: Thanks for the help. I added a few markers to my Amazon list. :)

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  • tapeslingertapeslinger Space Unicorn Slush Ranger Social Justice Rebel ScumRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    NibCrom wrote: »
    Is $58 a reasonable price for a set of 12?! These things seem super expensive.

    http://www.amazon.com/Copic-ORIGINAL-Markers-Color-Set/dp/B000MRSUP8/

    I got my NG set on sale for about $45, but yeah $58 is reasonable for Copics, the pens are about 6-8 bucks a pop by themselves. If you can't spring for the set, get singles; I gravitate toward NG2 for first layer, NG5 for detailing and NG8 for dark areas but ymmv.

    (I use BG10 Cool Shadow and BG0000 Snow Green to do most of my markup as they are non-photo blue.)

    There are three different marker styles for Copics, too. I use the square-barreled ones because they have a regular felt tip and an angled felt tip; the thinner oval barreled ones have an angled felt tip and a brush tip so they're less useful for what I do but you might like them, they work well for filling in value areas. They also make a short stocky marker with a big angled felt tip-- I have one of those in BG10 for marking up layouts but it is challenging to draw with and I'm not sure how well they work for controlling your shading.



    I definitely have the same experience as squidbunny with regard to blowing through specific shades faster than others, especially in greyscale. I usually use the ones I mentioned above as my workhorses, I break into the other tones when I'm trying to change things up a bit.

    e: Nibcrom-- cool cool!

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    This might be interesting. A brush for "painting" on the iPad.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
    I'd like to see a longer video, or a less-shitty example image, before I get too excited. Having said that, this is exactly the kind of pointless thing I love to blow money on.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The idea of a bunch of "artists" using optical paintbrushes with their ipads makes me cry/laugh. I mean sure it could be something eventually, but putting an ipad on an easel and saying it "could very well spark a modern day renaissance" is probably overreaching just a bit.

    Also WOO officially going to see Gogol Bordello for the second time in a few months. Any other Bostonians going!?

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hey guys, don't set your linework layer to multiply in Photoshop anymore! Do this instead!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDq426DMC04

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    That's useful, but not always necessary. And it's certainly not wrong to use multiply in the layer styles.

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  • SiegfriedSiegfried Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    ninjai wrote: »
    SO I have a stupid completely irrelevent question.

    1st, does anyone play SC2? I'll add you on battle net and we can get down.

    2nd, does anyone know where I can find A) Good build information for protoss (how to create a build, maybe a preexisting build) , and B) Download competition replays so I can view them in SC2, or videos of the same thing?

    1) Sort of, but I don't play very often, I'm busy and Marvel vs Capcom 3 has my interest currently. I know Wakk plays too but I'm pretty sure he's really fucking good.

    2) Game Replays or TeamLiquid http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/ http://www.teamliquid.net/
    I like Game Replays better because its prettier. Replays are on the right.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Jeez godfather, someone never watched my livestreams!

    I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON ALLIVVVEEEEEE

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    NibCrom wrote: »
    That's useful, but not always necessary. And it's certainly not wrong to use multiply in the layer styles.

    I think it's generally a good idea to avoid using the multiply method just because it will result in fewer headaches down the line if you want to do anything beyond simply "put colors behind black lines", which, even in that case multiply can have weird effects on your colors.

    Example: It's really difficult to change your line-art color using the multiply method and still be able to paint under it. It can be done to an extent, such as making a new layer above your line-art, pressing ctrl-alt-g, and setting it to "screen", then painting over it. The problem with that is that if your lines are anything short of 100% black, they will be semi-transparent, and putting down colors under those lines will result in visible tonal shifts which can be a huge headache if you're trying for clean line art.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Heres a trick I use when changing black lines to a certain color.

    Make a layer above everything else, like a dark red or something.

    Set it to lighten.

    profit!

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Unless the linart layer is set to multiply.

    In which case it will become semi-transparent and also interfere with every other color below.

    Basically multiply blows butts

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    It shouldn't make it semi transparent. The lighten layer wiould apply to all the layers below it.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    also my photoshop just crashes.

    haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadffsaf

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Fugitive wrote: »
    Unless the linart layer is set to multiply.

    In which case it will become semi-transparent and also interfere with every other color below.

    Basically multiply blows butts

    Yes

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Seriously though RE: line art coloring

    Just use ctrl-alt-g, it's magical.

    It will preserve the transparency of the layer below it, it won't inadvertently affect anything but the layer below it, and you can stack infinite layers like this..

    It is the most perfect thing for that purpose.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Ive never had an issue using multiply... But Im generally not working with a clean sketch, and I end up painting so much that its not a big deal.

    watching that video was a little weird. If you want to merge the line art layer down with a solid color layer, you simply put the solid color above the line art and set that to multiply and merge down... Not really that difficult. Changing the line color is a different story, but I think for most painting situations multiply is fine. I certainly wouldn't call it "unacceptable".

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I slop down so much shit on top of any pencils I scan usually the blending modes of the layers I'm using ends up being utterly inconsequential.

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    Yeah. Also if you are using pencil sketches instead of inks, you can loose a lot of marks that you might want to keep around when you start painting. Sometimes light marks aren't just stray lines.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    its generally just what you are use to or what the situation calls for.

    Like I never use the eraser tool, only layer masks.

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  • FugitiveFugitive Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    something something something only draw with lens flares.

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  • wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    That explains so so much

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  • MolybdenumMolybdenum Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Fugitive wrote: »
    something something something only draw with light bloom.
    249535782_3RxvW-L-2.jpg

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  • F87F87 So Say We All Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Multiply gets on my nerves, but I usually just merge the layer asap and clean it up.

    Also, I hate how overlay layers merge. I always have to jump through hoops to do it right.

    Basically, I've just found ways of working around my ignorance of Photoshop.

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  • KronusKronus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah I'm pretty awful at "tricks", I generally just take the most roundabout solutions by using the most basic information I know. Which is terrible, I really need to learn this stuff :P

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