Is 2nd Orbital in the main ever done for SCVs and MULEs before you can safely use it at an expo or was that just the stars lining up there?
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
A lot of the time if you go for a fast expo and then get hit with really heavy early pressure, you then use it to pump out SCVs and MULEs to stay alive.
I just remembered someone talking about streaming issues, saying that you could assign cores of your processor to the game/stream (I guess) to make it run better.
I think. I don't know mucha bout that stuff but I do know I have a beast of a computer and I ought to be able to stream without sc2 getting choppy.
if anyone wants to pm me or explain in here what the process is and/or if it helps, I would greatly appreciate it.
thanks doods.
Vari, are you using Xsplit? I have the same problem and I have a very good computer (i7-875k, ati 5870, 8 GB ram). SC gets very choppy feeling when I use xsplit. It drops my ingame fps to 50-60, which would be fine, but it doesn't look or feel like 50 fps it feels more like 20. For comparison I can stream with adobe FME and vhscrcap which should be more resource intensive and I get around 100 fps and no choppy feeling.
A possible fix would be to uncheck "optimize for motion picture" as this is what causes my problem. By unchecking it I get a 20 fps boost and the choppy feeling goes away. However, the stream will look very very jumpy/stuttery for your viewers. They just released an update though and I tried it out to see if it fixed anything. "optimize for motion picture" still makes it unplayable, but if I uncheck it, I seem to get acceptable performance on my stream. The stream still seems to hang for a split second every 30 seconds or so, but I'm not sure if that is purely due to that setting. I've been meaning to stream again and get feedback.
I use Xsplit on an i7 860 with 4GB of RAM, with a GTX 470. I have zero issues when streaming, and I have a dual monitor setup with SC2 on all "Ultra" settings.
My stream is also totally gorgeous. I put it on my second monitor while watching a replay.. it's like a delayed clone view (with some blurriness..)
I use "optimize for motion picture" as well.
Olorin, what desktop resolution do you run at?
1680x1050 but that doesn't matter. You would probably play SC2 while streaming on my computer and not notice a problem. Heck, you might have the same "problem" and you just don't notice it. You could definitely watch over my shoulder and not notice it. It is rather subtle and I tend to be put off by stuff like this very easily. The FPS indicator claims that my fps is plenty fine, but when I'm playing I can feel it. Choppy is not the right word for it b/c that makes you think very distinct stutters and it's not like that. I don't know how to describe it but I can feel it and I can see it and I can very easily tell whether I have that option checked or unchecked. The best I can describe it is that it looks and feels like I'm getting 25-30 fps, but both fraps and ingame claim it is over double that.
I just remembered someone talking about streaming issues, saying that you could assign cores of your processor to the game/stream (I guess) to make it run better.
I think. I don't know mucha bout that stuff but I do know I have a beast of a computer and I ought to be able to stream without sc2 getting choppy.
if anyone wants to pm me or explain in here what the process is and/or if it helps, I would greatly appreciate it.
thanks doods.
Vari, are you using Xsplit? I have the same problem and I have a very good computer (i7-875k, ati 5870, 8 GB ram). SC gets very choppy feeling when I use xsplit. It drops my ingame fps to 50-60, which would be fine, but it doesn't look or feel like 50 fps it feels more like 20. For comparison I can stream with adobe FME and vhscrcap which should be more resource intensive and I get around 100 fps and no choppy feeling.
A possible fix would be to uncheck "optimize for motion picture" as this is what causes my problem. By unchecking it I get a 20 fps boost and the choppy feeling goes away. However, the stream will look very very jumpy/stuttery for your viewers. They just released an update though and I tried it out to see if it fixed anything. "optimize for motion picture" still makes it unplayable, but if I uncheck it, I seem to get acceptable performance on my stream. The stream still seems to hang for a split second every 30 seconds or so, but I'm not sure if that is purely due to that setting. I've been meaning to stream again and get feedback.
I use Xsplit on an i7 860 with 4GB of RAM, with a GTX 470. I have zero issues when streaming, and I have a dual monitor setup with SC2 on all "Ultra" settings.
My stream is also totally gorgeous. I put it on my second monitor while watching a replay.. it's like a delayed clone view (with some blurriness..)
I use "optimize for motion picture" as well.
Olorin, what desktop resolution do you run at?
1680x1050 but that doesn't matter. You would probably play SC2 while streaming on my computer and not notice a problem. Heck, you might have the same "problem" and you just don't notice it. You could definitely watch over my shoulder and not notice it. It is rather subtle and I tend to be put off by stuff like this very easily. The FPS indicator claims that my fps is plenty fine, but when I'm playing I can feel it. Choppy is not the right word for it b/c that makes you think very distinct stutters and it's not like that. I don't know how to describe it but I can feel it and I can see it and I can very easily tell whether I have that option checked or unchecked. The best I can describe it is that it looks and feels like I'm getting 25-30 fps, but both fraps and ingame claim it is over double that.
Huh.. maybe it's just completely psychological, Olorin. Turn on your stream and then forget about it. See if you notice :P
EDIT: WAIT WAIT, awesome translation incoming - "dosureba na iinda?" (anyone who actually knows Japanese, please let me know how accurate/horribly butchering the language this is)
i played a 3v3 and got teamed up with a guy in the master league (isaac). he one based zerg, double hatch in main, and all he did was make mass speedlings (made some banes at the end, but never used them). he did crazy speedling runbys into mineral lines, killing tons of workers.
we won the game obviously (he was amazing dude) and he got top score.
probably only really works in team games, but still, it was totally instructional.
one base? when did he cut drones? did he macro hatch? got a replay?
i do and id be more than happy to share it, but i have no idea how.
please keep in mind also that it's a 3v3 though, so it's like the fucking circus.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
nope, tomorrow. check the time because im fairly sure its not the normal time.
Also you guys, everyone should, when he's next streaming, check out CecilSunkure. He's an unfeatured TL.net stream, www.livestream.com/succinct
he's actually really really good, with aspirations towards Code A in the GSL and from seeing his play I really think he can do it. He doesn't get a lot of simultaneous viewers though being unfeatured and he's a really nice dude too, reminds me of Tyler, so hit up his stream if theres ever no featured Protoss streams running and you want to watch a good one.
i played a 3v3 and got teamed up with a guy in the master league (isaac). he one based zerg, double hatch in main, and all he did was make mass speedlings (made some banes at the end, but never used them). he did crazy speedling runbys into mineral lines, killing tons of workers.
we won the game obviously (he was amazing dude) and he got top score.
probably only really works in team games, but still, it was totally instructional.
It's a pretty all in strategy because he's going to be cutting drones and it's only got a certain window of time to work, otherwise he has to expand or pretty much just run out of minerals
again, id be totally happy to share the replay. i think the game went on for 10 minutes or more though i cant remember exactly. just as an example, one of the opponents had a collossus out.
i played a 3v3 and got teamed up with a guy in the master league (isaac). he one based zerg, double hatch in main, and all he did was make mass speedlings (made some banes at the end, but never used them). he did crazy speedling runbys into mineral lines, killing tons of workers.
we won the game obviously (he was amazing dude) and he got top score.
probably only really works in team games, but still, it was totally instructional.
It's a pretty all in strategy because he's going to be cutting drones and it's only got a certain window of time to work, otherwise he has to expand or pretty much just run out of minerals
again, id be totally happy to share the replay. i think the game went on for 10 minutes or more though i cant remember exactly. just as an example, one of the opponents had a collossus out.
just watched the replay again and man, the dude is hard fucking core.
he does actually get a second base, but it's at around 13:30 and we've already won the game by then. the first two guys leave around 14:30 i think and we win the game at around 15:30.
again, id be more than happy to share if there's some site i can upload it to without registering.
So, is it me or do Terran seem completely "underrepresented" (for lack of a better word) in community content?
For example, all the gosucoaching content we've seen was helping either Zs or Ps. Likewise, there are pretty much no likable, regular, and really good Ts streaming (got nothing like Huk, Idra, Tyler, and Gretorp doesn't play anymore). In fact I can only think of one foreigner T who's style I like, and that's Jinro who doesn't exactly release a lot of content (although I do have his latest replay pack).
EDIT: WAIT WAIT, awesome translation incoming - "dosureba na iinda?" (anyone who actually knows Japanese, please let me know how accurate/horribly butchering the language this is)
Hah, got sidetracked with starcraft and forgot about this, I was gonna say,
You should get the fuck on Starcraft and stream for me again
Thats what you should do.
But im debating going and playing New Vegas, im not sure. If you do stream, however, I would probably watch (and mock you accordingly).
So, is it me or do Terran seem completely "underrepresented" (for lack of a better word) in community content?
For example, all the gosucoaching content we've seen was helping either Zs or Ps. Likewise, there are pretty much no likable, regular, and really good Ts streaming (got nothing like Huk, Idra, Tyler, and Gretorp doesn't play anymore). In fact I can only think of one foreigner T who's style I like, and that's Jinro who doesn't exactly release a lot of content (although I do have his latest replay pack).
well if you want to win the gsl as terran all you gotta do is make marines and 1ta right?
So, is it me or do Terran seem completely "underrepresented" (for lack of a better word) in community content?
For example, all the gosucoaching content we've seen was helping either Zs or Ps. Likewise, there are pretty much no likable, regular, and really good Ts streaming (got nothing like Huk, Idra, Tyler, and Gretorp doesn't play anymore). In fact I can only think of one foreigner T who's style I like, and that's Jinro who doesn't exactly release a lot of content (although I do have his latest replay pack).
well if you want to win the gsl as terran all you gotta do is make marines and 1ta right?
So I know the answer is 'focus on macro!', so I'll ask the question a bit differently:
I know in order to improve, I must learn the mechanics of the game, but what would be a good way to start? I know it's up to personal preference, but from collective forum lurking here and TL.net, I've made a few choices. I'm wanting to know if these will actually benefit me in the long run, or if it's teaching me bad habits that'll be hard to kick down the line:
1) Focus on 1 base, and only one base, until I can run one with my eyes closed
2) Get two standard build orders for each match up, and learn them, no matter the technicalities/micro involved
3) Jump on ladder and flail around like an idiot; the 'thrown to the wolves' exercise of bravery
4) Work my way up to Very Hard AI, focusing on stress-free sessions of 'ironing out the kinks', then going for ladder
5) Lobby it up with you fine folks, and learn through nothing but custom games with superior players
So I know the answer is 'focus on macro!', so I'll ask the question a bit differently:
I know in order to improve, I must learn the mechanics of the game, but what would be a good way to start? I know it's up to personal preference, but from collective forum lurking here and TL.net, I've made a few choices. I'm wanting to know if these will actually benefit me in the long run, or if it's teaching me bad habits that'll be hard to kick down the line:
1) Focus on 1 base, and only one base, until I can run one with my eyes closed
2) Get two standard build orders for each match up, and learn them, no matter the technicalities/micro involved
3) Jump on ladder and flail around like an idiot; the 'thrown to the wolves' exercise of bravery
4) Work my way up to Very Hard AI, focusing on stress-free sessions of 'ironing out the kinks', then going for ladder
5) Lobby it up with you fine folks, and learn through nothing but custom games with superior players
why dont you play some ladder games and just copy some diamond dude's strategy exactly? like put the replay camera on his sight, watch his food and army count and do exactly what he does at the exact same times.
try that first. if youre not diamond/plat, most likely, you need to work on your macro. a diamond or plat player who defeats you probably just has better macro than you and you can pretty easily copy macro if that's all you set out to do.
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TannerMS "I'm confidence cause I'm zerg!"Registered Userregular
edited January 2011
I'm a pretty big fan of #3, I feel like everyone can benefit from just playing ladder games with a generic goal in mind. Build orders are going to be optimized for things you don't have. For example, 3 Rax will use all your cash if you produce constantly, but if you're not up to that you might want an extra barracks or two.
I'm a pretty big fan of #3, I feel like everyone can benefit from just playing ladder games with a generic goal in mind. Build orders are going to be optimized for things you don't have. For example, 3 Rax will use all your cash if you produce constantly, but if you're not up to that you might want an extra barracks or two.
If you're serious about improvement and you're experience is limited, do #3 but with a single, simple build order you can use across all three match-ups, e.g., a 4 gate as protoss or 5RR as zerg. Focus on getting your basic mechanics down so that you can execute the build order cleanly without any bumps. From there, you can move onto a more stable build for your race and focus on your long-term macro.
#4 can work as well, but you need to realize that the AI will only help you with your mechanics and not necessarily strategies and timings you can transfer to real people.
#5 is probably the worst way to improve, incidentally. The way you get better quickly is to play lots of games where you focus on biggest bang-for-the-buck aspects of your play --- usually mechanics and macro. Lobbies are entertaining, but playing one game every couple of hours isn't helpful for your game.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Have an overall goal.
Assuming you play Terran, for example.
I want to stick to marines and marauders and win before the 10 minute mark. Focus on getting really really good at early aggression and early defense and making the most out of 1 base worth of marines and marauders. You'll win a lot, lose a lot too, but build confidence and improve. Then you can start adding things like, hm, maybe next practise session I will try expanding at a certain time, or maybe I will add some tech"
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And forcefields ftw.
Why did you show us this sick, twisted live stream of a grown man punching a baby.
Games: Ad Astra Per Phalla | Choose Your Own Phalla
It's pretty terrible.
Man, just 4gate hard until he dies.
Games: Ad Astra Per Phalla | Choose Your Own Phalla
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
Just ask TLO. Standard
Games: Ad Astra Per Phalla | Choose Your Own Phalla
1680x1050 but that doesn't matter. You would probably play SC2 while streaming on my computer and not notice a problem. Heck, you might have the same "problem" and you just don't notice it. You could definitely watch over my shoulder and not notice it. It is rather subtle and I tend to be put off by stuff like this very easily. The FPS indicator claims that my fps is plenty fine, but when I'm playing I can feel it. Choppy is not the right word for it b/c that makes you think very distinct stutters and it's not like that. I don't know how to describe it but I can feel it and I can see it and I can very easily tell whether I have that option checked or unchecked. The best I can describe it is that it looks and feels like I'm getting 25-30 fps, but both fraps and ingame claim it is over double that.
3clipse: The key to any successful marriage is a good mid-game transition.
Huh.. maybe it's just completely psychological, Olorin. Turn on your stream and then forget about it. See if you notice :P
EDIT: WAIT WAIT, awesome translation incoming - "dosureba na iinda?" (anyone who actually knows Japanese, please let me know how accurate/horribly butchering the language this is)
i do and id be more than happy to share it, but i have no idea how.
please keep in mind also that it's a 3v3 though, so it's like the fucking circus.
Also you guys, everyone should, when he's next streaming, check out CecilSunkure. He's an unfeatured TL.net stream, www.livestream.com/succinct
he's actually really really good, with aspirations towards Code A in the GSL and from seeing his play I really think he can do it. He doesn't get a lot of simultaneous viewers though being unfeatured and he's a really nice dude too, reminds me of Tyler, so hit up his stream if theres ever no featured Protoss streams running and you want to watch a good one.
again, id be totally happy to share the replay. i think the game went on for 10 minutes or more though i cant remember exactly. just as an example, one of the opponents had a collossus out.
just watched the replay again and man, the dude is hard fucking core.
he does actually get a second base, but it's at around 13:30 and we've already won the game by then. the first two guys leave around 14:30 i think and we win the game at around 15:30.
again, id be more than happy to share if there's some site i can upload it to without registering.
Add Kami.112 if you all want to build your self confidence by stomping me!
For example, all the gosucoaching content we've seen was helping either Zs or Ps. Likewise, there are pretty much no likable, regular, and really good Ts streaming (got nothing like Huk, Idra, Tyler, and Gretorp doesn't play anymore). In fact I can only think of one foreigner T who's style I like, and that's Jinro who doesn't exactly release a lot of content (although I do have his latest replay pack).
Hah, got sidetracked with starcraft and forgot about this, I was gonna say,
You should get the fuck on Starcraft and stream for me again
Thats what you should do.
But im debating going and playing New Vegas, im not sure. If you do stream, however, I would probably watch (and mock you accordingly).
help
well if you want to win the gsl as terran all you gotta do is make marines and 1ta right?
I know in order to improve, I must learn the mechanics of the game, but what would be a good way to start? I know it's up to personal preference, but from collective forum lurking here and TL.net, I've made a few choices. I'm wanting to know if these will actually benefit me in the long run, or if it's teaching me bad habits that'll be hard to kick down the line:
1) Focus on 1 base, and only one base, until I can run one with my eyes closed
2) Get two standard build orders for each match up, and learn them, no matter the technicalities/micro involved
3) Jump on ladder and flail around like an idiot; the 'thrown to the wolves' exercise of bravery
4) Work my way up to Very Hard AI, focusing on stress-free sessions of 'ironing out the kinks', then going for ladder
5) Lobby it up with you fine folks, and learn through nothing but custom games with superior players
601 in usa right now so
i dunno
i do know that for a while he was getting really mad all the time because streaming was lagging out his computer
so that might have been it
no clue, he's still quite handsome though
i understand now that you might have been talking about the same performance that i was, who cares!
botp'd
Plat 3 if it matters.
why dont you play some ladder games and just copy some diamond dude's strategy exactly? like put the replay camera on his sight, watch his food and army count and do exactly what he does at the exact same times.
try that first. if youre not diamond/plat, most likely, you need to work on your macro. a diamond or plat player who defeats you probably just has better macro than you and you can pretty easily copy macro if that's all you set out to do.
If you're serious about improvement and you're experience is limited, do #3 but with a single, simple build order you can use across all three match-ups, e.g., a 4 gate as protoss or 5RR as zerg. Focus on getting your basic mechanics down so that you can execute the build order cleanly without any bumps. From there, you can move onto a more stable build for your race and focus on your long-term macro.
#4 can work as well, but you need to realize that the AI will only help you with your mechanics and not necessarily strategies and timings you can transfer to real people.
#5 is probably the worst way to improve, incidentally. The way you get better quickly is to play lots of games where you focus on biggest bang-for-the-buck aspects of your play --- usually mechanics and macro. Lobbies are entertaining, but playing one game every couple of hours isn't helpful for your game.
Assuming you play Terran, for example.
I want to stick to marines and marauders and win before the 10 minute mark. Focus on getting really really good at early aggression and early defense and making the most out of 1 base worth of marines and marauders. You'll win a lot, lose a lot too, but build confidence and improve. Then you can start adding things like, hm, maybe next practise session I will try expanding at a certain time, or maybe I will add some tech"
"Fuck you faggot"
"no skill piece of shit"
I mean, I get being a bit irked that you lost a game to someone just making marines, but come on man
Extra points if you lifted your CC to the gold immediately!