I think shaman and druids that wear agility gear have about as much use for int as hunters do now.
It's not high on their priority list, but they get some spell power and crit from it.
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edited February 2011
So I just unlocked my third call pet slot. Any recommendations on what to carry around with me? I'm using a cat and a crab right now. I'm wondering if I should get something a little more tank-y than my crab (since I've been speccing him more for dps so far), like a turtle or bear. Is there a pet that does good AOE threat? My crab can't hold aggro for shit. (or maybe that's a lower-tier talent?)
Your Crab is actually a Tenacity pet, so he'll have the same talents as a Bear would. One of those talents is Thunderstop, which does a little AoE damage and might help out.
Honestly, pets aren't very good at AoE tanking; typically if you want your pet to hold AoE threat you'll use Misdirection and hit Multishot or throw one Arcane Shot into each mob, something like that. The threat from Misdirection fades eventually but you can use it on your pet with no cooldown if you Glyph it.
Of course, you may not have some of those powers or talents yet. You can also use Freezing Trap to contain extra mobs that run at you or Feign Death to get them to leave you alone.
It's also a good idea to let your pet run in first and attack for a second or two so they can build a modest threat lead.
I'm pretty sure tenacity pets get an AoE moderate threat move that makes them pretty decent AoE tanks. I never had any issues with my crab holding aoe threat as I leveled. I can't remember what level it becomes available at though.
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Your Crab is actually a Tenacity pet, so he'll have the same talents as a Bear would. One of those talents is Thunderstop, which does a little AoE damage and might help out.
Honestly, pets aren't very good at AoE tanking; typically if you want your pet to hold AoE threat you'll use Misdirection and hit Multishot or throw one Arcane Shot into each mob, something like that. The threat from Misdirection fades eventually but you can use it on your pet with no cooldown if you Glyph it.
Of course, you may not have some of those powers or talents yet. You can also use Freezing Trap to contain extra mobs that run at you or Feign Death to get them to leave you alone.
It's also a good idea to let your pet run in first and attack for a second or two so they can build a modest threat lead.
What spec are you leveling as?
Beast Mastery. And so far I don't have access to Thunderclap - it must be further down the tree. I'm only level 42, so I'm not even close to Misdirection unfortunately
Your Crab is actually a Tenacity pet, so he'll have the same talents as a Bear would. One of those talents is Thunderstop, which does a little AoE damage and might help out.
Honestly, pets aren't very good at AoE tanking; typically if you want your pet to hold AoE threat you'll use Misdirection and hit Multishot or throw one Arcane Shot into each mob, something like that. The threat from Misdirection fades eventually but you can use it on your pet with no cooldown if you Glyph it.
Of course, you may not have some of those powers or talents yet. You can also use Freezing Trap to contain extra mobs that run at you or Feign Death to get them to leave you alone.
It's also a good idea to let your pet run in first and attack for a second or two so they can build a modest threat lead.
What spec are you leveling as?
Beast Mastery. And so far I don't have access to Thunderclap - it must be further down the tree. I'm only level 42, so I'm not even close to Misdirection unfortunately
You're close to Thunderclap; a Tenacity pet can get it as the seventh overall talent once they're level 44.
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edited February 2011
Cool beans, at least I'm close to it. Do tenacity pets eventually get that talent ferocity pets get that heal them when they do damage? Because that talent is awesome
I mainly ask because I was trying to solo Gnomeregan and it would have gone fine except my crab couldn't hold aggro for shit. I actually switched to my lion for Thermaplugg and it worked WAY better (even with me forgetting to turn off Aspect of the Daze... whoops!)
Also, you know, it'd be nice for those instances where I'm a lower level than the tank and yet he sucks so bad that I pull aggro from him like nothing :P
Cool beans, at least I'm close to it. Do tenacity pets eventually get that talent ferocity pets get that heal them when they do damage? Because that talent is awesome
Way down at the bottom of the Tenacity tree is a talent that heals the pet for 1%/2% whenever they Growl, which should be every 3.5 seconds at that time. Not the greatest thing in the world, but every little bit helps.
Mend Pet is also most effective on Tenacity pets due to the Blood of the Rhino talent in the second tier.
Cool beans, at least I'm close to it. Do tenacity pets eventually get that talent ferocity pets get that heal them when they do damage? Because that talent is awesome
Way down at the bottom of the Tenacity tree is a talent that heals the pet for 1%/2% whenever they Growl, which should be every 3.5 seconds at that time. Not the greatest thing in the world, but every little bit helps.
Mend Pet is also most effective on Tenacity pets due to the Blood of the Rhino talent in the second tier.
And use the Glyph of Mending major if you're leveling as BM (or maybe even as any spec, actually). 40% of your pet's health over 10 secs is pretty huge.
Yeah, Tenacity pets become insane. My Rhino has something like %56 Damage Reduction right now. He's a beast, good times!
A couple of my friends and I did MC last night, I got 5/8 Giant Stalker...woo? Then we went right into BWL and I tamed Chrommaggus! I now have a CoreHound and Chromemaggus! Good times!
What is the difference between a core hound in MC? the ones in Hyjal and other places? besides level?
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edited February 2011
They look different.
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edited February 2011
For kicks last night I went into BFD and tamed that turtle boss in there. Apparently 4.0 updated him to use the same model as the turtle npc in Hyjal (the normal one, not the fire one :P). He looks pretty awesome. I decided I'll spec him a little different from the crab so I'm speccing him for pure damage absorption (stam/armor) rather than more of the attack talents.
P.S. - Whatever moron decided to not make a boat to Lor'Danel from Darnassus and not give you the FP for free *unless* you take the flight from Darnassus proper and not ground level needs to die. I ran around forever trying to figure out how to get to freaking Darkshore, and then had to take that stupid FP from the top of the tree which must take like 5 minutes just decending the tree itself. *sigh*
What is the difference between a core hound in MC? the ones in Hyjal and other places? besides level?
Yeah, it's just the look. I also wanted to tame them as revenge for both killing me a ton in Vanilla WoW a few years back. Now these mighty beasts that used to take 40 people to kill bow to my every whim! MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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What is the difference between a core hound in MC? the ones in Hyjal and other places? besides level?
Yeah, it's just the look. I also wanted to tame them as revenge for both killing me a ton in Vanilla WoW a few years back. Now these mighty beasts that used to take 40 people to kill bow to my every whim! MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I am tempted to tame one from MC and name it "LootTheDamnDog"
What is the difference between a core hound in MC? the ones in Hyjal and other places? besides level?
Yeah, it's just the look. I also wanted to tame them as revenge for both killing me a ton in Vanilla WoW a few years back. Now these mighty beasts that used to take 40 people to kill bow to my every whim! MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I am tempted to tame one from MC and name it "LootTheDamnDog"
That'd be awesome. I named him Snuggles to demean the shit out of him so everyone points and laughs at the big bad dog....named Snuggles.
Tame Beast now tames pets to match the hunter's level, rather than 5 levels below.
So if this is true, why bother having pet XP at all anymore?
Thank god. I really don't understand why it under-leveled them in the first place (though I suppose I would take that over the original "it's the same level as the mob" it used to be loooong ago)
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edited February 2011
Actually now having given this some thought, I spoke prematurely: this change doesn't eradicate pet leveling. What it does, mind-bogglingly enough, is remove the '3 levels lower' (not 5 as it states in the patch notes) from the mobs you tame. However, you must still level each and every one of them to cap if you tame(d?) them before capping. So if you tamed, say, Terrorpene at 81 but shelved him and got Ghostcrawler at 85 and now you want to bust out T-pene again? You need to level him from 82 to 85 to cap him.
In essence, things are ever-so-slightly less annoying than they were. The devs are really, really clinging to the pet leveling mechanic as steadfastly as possible.
Many hunters (myself included) have always felt that the warlock pet mechanic of auto-leveling was the way to go. The devs (well, the old ones at least) always maintained that leveling their pet was part of the "fun" of being a hunter, as it helped them bond with their pet, which is fine in an RP sense, but as a mechanic is just plain fucking stupid.
Tame Beast now tames pets to match the hunter's level, rather than 5 levels below.
So if this is true, why bother having pet XP at all anymore?
Thank god. I really don't understand why it under-leveled them in the first place (though I suppose I would take that over the original "it's the same level as the mob" it used to be loooong ago)
I've wanted pet XP gone for a long time, but it doesn't sound like it's actually gone. It seems like if you level up, any of your current pets will still fall behind (up to the -3 limit), which basically just encourages you to ditch existing pets and retame them.
So, the hotfix that added like 2k Ranged AP to AotHawk seems fairly insane. My 347 average Survival Hunter (yes I'm still Survival) is back to doing a good 13-16k DPS on boss fights... even while completely forgetting to use Rapid Fire ever. I'm rusty, alright?
All is right with the world apparently. I've been using that Ask Mr. Robot site to check my gear and realized that Mastery is *much* worse than I originally thought for Survival. Or it changed in the patch, not sure. Anyway, I'm trying to get rid of the stuff now. I hate some of its suggestions though, and there's some weirdness, like the Fluid Death trinket not appearing as an option (I'm 5 or 6 days of Heroic dailies out from being able to buy it.) I also have no intention of grinding Tol Barad for the weapon at Revered.
I *would* like to get the Amber Messenger, which the site considers the second best ranged weapon available to me, just below the Kickback 5000 or whatever it's called, however my BRC run tonight involved a bunch of people who had never run H BRC before and broke up after a few fails on the second boss. God I hate needing items off the last boss... I miss having a bow.
So... anyone got tips for solo'ing Kael in TK, and Maulgar in Gruul's? Void Reaver and Al'ar went smooth as anything, but those two fights gave me an unbelievable amount of trouble.
I got out of my Hunter's daily Throne of the Tides run and did another once around the Highlands, NPC Scan yelled at me and I got him no trouble. Seems like a big model.
I also pulled 27k on Rajh... I love gimmick fights.
Since level 69 ive been using a devilsaur, and over the weekend i hit 85. Now whats odd is that while i admit im not 100% sure of this i would swear that one of the levels 80-85 my pet did not gain any health when he dinged, and now both of us at 85, he has about the same health as i do.
I'm thinking of grabbing another devilsaur, leveling it up and seeing if its at the same health.
I got out of my Hunter's daily Throne of the Tides run and did another once around the Highlands, NPC Scan yelled at me and I got him no trouble. Seems like a big model.
Haha, what a coincidence, I got Sambas last night in a similar way. I was flying around on my Paladin in Twihi for herbs when I saw him just strutting around. I forgot that NPCScan already had him cached so I logged onto my Hunter asap and booked it over there without anything going wrong.
It really is a nice model. I don't know if I'll use my Ghostsaber again.
I found Karoma and Sambas within a few hours of each other. My server's pretty low pop, so apart from Loque'nahak I've gotten pretty much every pet within a day or two of desiring them.
For Loque, I'd just teleport to Sholazar every day and do a circle; after a few weeks I stumbled across him and that was that. Even found him a second time for Frostbitten, lol.
Since level 69 ive been using a devilsaur, and over the weekend i hit 85. Now whats odd is that while i admit im not 100% sure of this i would swear that one of the levels 80-85 my pet did not gain any health when he dinged, and now both of us at 85, he has about the same health as i do.
I'm thinking of grabbing another devilsaur, leveling it up and seeing if its at the same health.
I don't know off the top of my head how pet health scaling works, but I'm 99% sure that the new devilsaur will have the same health. I think it goes entirely off of your own stamina now? Not sure.
Since level 69 ive been using a devilsaur, and over the weekend i hit 85. Now whats odd is that while i admit im not 100% sure of this i would swear that one of the levels 80-85 my pet did not gain any health when he dinged, and now both of us at 85, he has about the same health as i do.
I'm thinking of grabbing another devilsaur, leveling it up and seeing if its at the same health.
I don't know off the top of my head how pet health scaling works, but I'm 99% sure that the new devilsaur will have the same health. I think it goes entirely off of your own stamina now? Not sure.
Yeah.
The only way your pet should have about the same health you do is if you've maxed out the +health pet talent.
Me and my broski Sambas solod Void Reaver and Leonadas, giving me 2/5 Tier 5 and making my pet nigh invincible!
What to solo next?
Unfortunately you're kinda limited to TK; a lot of mechanics in BC make things impossible to solo, such as tainted cores on Vashj. There's a How-to for hunters looking to kill Kael, though, I'll probably take another shot at it myself.
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It's not high on their priority list, but they get some spell power and crit from it.
Honestly, pets aren't very good at AoE tanking; typically if you want your pet to hold AoE threat you'll use Misdirection and hit Multishot or throw one Arcane Shot into each mob, something like that. The threat from Misdirection fades eventually but you can use it on your pet with no cooldown if you Glyph it.
Of course, you may not have some of those powers or talents yet. You can also use Freezing Trap to contain extra mobs that run at you or Feign Death to get them to leave you alone.
It's also a good idea to let your pet run in first and attack for a second or two so they can build a modest threat lead.
What spec are you leveling as?
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Beast Mastery. And so far I don't have access to Thunderclap - it must be further down the tree. I'm only level 42, so I'm not even close to Misdirection unfortunately
You're close to Thunderclap; a Tenacity pet can get it as the seventh overall talent once they're level 44.
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I mainly ask because I was trying to solo Gnomeregan and it would have gone fine except my crab couldn't hold aggro for shit. I actually switched to my lion for Thermaplugg and it worked WAY better (even with me forgetting to turn off Aspect of the Daze... whoops!)
Also, you know, it'd be nice for those instances where I'm a lower level than the tank and yet he sucks so bad that I pull aggro from him like nothing :P
Way down at the bottom of the Tenacity tree is a talent that heals the pet for 1%/2% whenever they Growl, which should be every 3.5 seconds at that time. Not the greatest thing in the world, but every little bit helps.
Mend Pet is also most effective on Tenacity pets due to the Blood of the Rhino talent in the second tier.
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Blood of the Rhino + Mend Pet major glyph for the lulz.
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A couple of my friends and I did MC last night, I got 5/8 Giant Stalker...woo? Then we went right into BWL and I tamed Chrommaggus! I now have a CoreHound and Chromemaggus! Good times!
P.S. - Whatever moron decided to not make a boat to Lor'Danel from Darnassus and not give you the FP for free *unless* you take the flight from Darnassus proper and not ground level needs to die. I ran around forever trying to figure out how to get to freaking Darkshore, and then had to take that stupid FP from the top of the tree which must take like 5 minutes just decending the tree itself. *sigh*
Yeah, it's just the look. I also wanted to tame them as revenge for both killing me a ton in Vanilla WoW a few years back. Now these mighty beasts that used to take 40 people to kill bow to my every whim! MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I am tempted to tame one from MC and name it "LootTheDamnDog"
That'd be awesome. I named him Snuggles to demean the shit out of him so everyone points and laughs at the big bad dog....named Snuggles.
Thank god. I really don't understand why it under-leveled them in the first place (though I suppose I would take that over the original "it's the same level as the mob" it used to be loooong ago)
In essence, things are ever-so-slightly less annoying than they were. The devs are really, really clinging to the pet leveling mechanic as steadfastly as possible.
Many hunters (myself included) have always felt that the warlock pet mechanic of auto-leveling was the way to go. The devs (well, the old ones at least) always maintained that leveling their pet was part of the "fun" of being a hunter, as it helped them bond with their pet, which is fine in an RP sense, but as a mechanic is just plain fucking stupid.
All is right with the world apparently. I've been using that Ask Mr. Robot site to check my gear and realized that Mastery is *much* worse than I originally thought for Survival. Or it changed in the patch, not sure. Anyway, I'm trying to get rid of the stuff now. I hate some of its suggestions though, and there's some weirdness, like the Fluid Death trinket not appearing as an option (I'm 5 or 6 days of Heroic dailies out from being able to buy it.) I also have no intention of grinding Tol Barad for the weapon at Revered.
I *would* like to get the Amber Messenger, which the site considers the second best ranged weapon available to me, just below the Kickback 5000 or whatever it's called, however my BRC run tonight involved a bunch of people who had never run H BRC before and broke up after a few fails on the second boss. God I hate needing items off the last boss... I miss having a bow.
It's average.
I got out of my Hunter's daily Throne of the Tides run and did another once around the Highlands, NPC Scan yelled at me and I got him no trouble. Seems like a big model.
I also pulled 27k on Rajh... I love gimmick fights.
Since level 69 ive been using a devilsaur, and over the weekend i hit 85. Now whats odd is that while i admit im not 100% sure of this i would swear that one of the levels 80-85 my pet did not gain any health when he dinged, and now both of us at 85, he has about the same health as i do.
I'm thinking of grabbing another devilsaur, leveling it up and seeing if its at the same health.
Haha, what a coincidence, I got Sambas last night in a similar way. I was flying around on my Paladin in Twihi for herbs when I saw him just strutting around. I forgot that NPCScan already had him cached so I logged onto my Hunter asap and booked it over there without anything going wrong.
It really is a nice model. I don't know if I'll use my Ghostsaber again.
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I don't know off the top of my head how pet health scaling works, but I'm 99% sure that the new devilsaur will have the same health. I think it goes entirely off of your own stamina now? Not sure.
The only way your pet should have about the same health you do is if you've maxed out the +health pet talent.
What to solo next?
Attumen for the mount if you haven't already.
Also, BM is liquid sex.
Unfortunately you're kinda limited to TK; a lot of mechanics in BC make things impossible to solo, such as tainted cores on Vashj. There's a How-to for hunters looking to kill Kael, though, I'll probably take another shot at it myself.
It was pretty easy to do. I did it as MM as well, probably would have been easier as BM.