One thing I heard somewhere, the battery for the 3DS is removeable rather simply, so one theory is that at some point Nintendo'll release a "Mega Power" battery that'll make the 3DS wider and heavier for those people who want the extra power but if you're alright with current battery time, you won't bother.
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The thing with potential future revisions is none of them are available for me to own and play with by the end of this month. After that I lose interest.
One thing I heard somewhere, the battery for the 3DS is removeable rather simply, so one theory is that at some point Nintendo'll release a "Mega Power" battery that'll make the 3DS wider and heavier for those people who want the extra power but if you're alright with current battery time, you won't bother.
And even if they don't, some shady Chinese company will. I don't think it'll change the dimensions of the device though, given that capacity for a given size tends to increase steadily over time. I'm also sure that the current battery is presumably rather cheap, and in a year or so's time you could probably buy one that's double the capacity for £20 or so.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a hardware revision with better battery life, improvements to the screen, XL version, that sort of thing. I would be surprised to see a hardware revision on the scale of the GBA->GBASP revision (which fixed major flaws in the original design) or the DSPhat->DSLite (where the original ends up looking like a clumsy prototype in comparison).
They've got the design pretty much right first time this time. There might be a better version coming at some point, but short of major new features, there aren't any design problems waiting to be fixed in version 2.0.
Fuckin' hell, it seems that every other day I change my mind about this 3DS nonsense.
One day I'm like "Yeah, picking up new hardware is cool, I wonder how that 3D effect looks, should be cool."
...and then the next day I'm like "Well, there's not really any games I'm interested in at launch, so what's the point of picking it up this early in the game?"
...and then I'll switch back to "Well, I could always use it to try to wrap up my DS backlog that's staring me in the face."
...and I'll go back to "But why the fuck would I pay $250 to do that when the multiple variations of DS models I have now work just fine for that?"
Ugh. In the end I'll likely see one on a shelf somewhere, whatever bit of doubt is in my mind at the time will snap and before I know it I'll be walking to my car with the damn thing, but it's one hell of an internal struggle.
Edit: Tempted to trade in my DS Lite at Amazon for the $50 value. (As I'd rather give it to Amazon over Gamestop and that $50 will be taken off of a flat $250 purchase rather than a $250 + tax purchase) I figure I'll keep the DSi for portableness and the XL for big-screen gaming at home.
The 3D effect is really cool, and your eyes adjust to it quick. I've played with it a few times now and it's damn tempting just because of how cool the effect is. But still, even with the 3D effect, no decent software means that the thing is just going to end stuffed in my drawer. If you love Nintendo software, I'd say go for it though. I'm waiting to see where Falcom and Chunsoft end up putting their support, and what kind of games are announced for NGP.
Waiting for the first price drop or revision is never the wrong decision.
The effect I saw on the Fujifilm 3D camera was okay but was a bit fuzzy and my girlfriend couldn't see the effect all all, so it's completely a "doubtful until I see it myself" situation.
The effect I saw on the Fujifilm 3D camera was okay but was a bit fuzzy and my girlfriend couldn't see the effect all all, so it's completely a "doubtful until I see it myself" situation.
I was at Cebit (kinda like CES, but in Germany) last week. There was a no glasses 3D TV where the 3D effect was barely noticeable with very little difference between standing in the proper spot and not. On the 3DS however the 3D effect was very obvious, but unfortunately you see double when viewing from an angle.
Other devices are not indicative of the 3DS. The 3DS is indicative of the 3DS.
I thought the 3DS wouldn't work with me because my two eyes are very different in power, but it worked just great. The effective viewing angle is pretty small, but within that angle, it really does look in 3D and what's more, it was a lot sharper in animation than the vast majority of 3D movies I've seen.
The 3D is completely rad, but I'm also of the type that would have likely bought the thing even without the 3D because it's an improvement/reiteration of my favorite gaming system since the SNES. I'll likely turn off 3D on SSFIV to get the badass 60 FPS after I try out the behind-the-shoulder mode for a few weeks, but that doesn't make the 3DS any less awesome in my eyes.
My situation is peculiar; not to sound like a total dick, but I'm getting my 3DS as a very gracious present, which is why I'm fairly ambivalent to the launch lineup but still excited about picking up the system right at launch. Still, there are at least a few games I'm really excited about trying myself this year (Kid Icarus, perhaps Ocarina, definitely Mario Kart if/when it surfaces and the new Mario), and I don't plan on seeing a revision until at least 18 months down the road. If it were my own money, I'd likely wait at least a year on a 3DS because my backlog is spilling out of my ass right now (cue shaking fist at grad school), but as-is I'm excited about trying the new tech.
Speaking of battery extensions: I have a Five Below by me (it's a 5-dollar version of a dollar store), and I saw a really cheap DSi battery extender that uses AA batteries to charge a DSi on the go. Like a ghetto knockoff of those Eneloop sticks that look totally badass. Now, the 3DS uses the same charger as the DSi, right? I'm curious, but afraid that a shitty product might explode and ruin my 3DS battery.
Personally ive worn glasses since i was 6 years old and 3-d has always been something denied me (well at least not without wearing two pairs of glasses which is just friggin awkward no matter how they do it).
the 3-d effect without glasses is something technically im very interested in seeing, but mostly I just have alot of faith that the 3ds will have lots of great games to play. None of the launch titles particularly grab my attention but im still pre ordering for a day one release on the basis of that faith. I've still got my original DS fattie. the XL and other versions of the DS never had anything i needed on them so waiting for a second revision isnt high on my list.
By the way, do we have any kind of list as to where the demo kiosks will be before the purchase date? I'd really like to see the 3-d effect in person before i buy even if ill probably buy anyway .
I wouldn't be surprised to see a hardware revision with better battery life, improvements to the screen, XL version, that sort of thing. I would be surprised to see a hardware revision on the scale of the GBA->GBASP revision (which fixed major flaws in the original design) or the DSPhat->DSLite (where the original ends up looking like a clumsy prototype in comparison).
They've got the design pretty much right first time this time. There might be a better version coming at some point, but short of major new features, there aren't any design problems waiting to be fixed in version 2.0.
I will be very surprised if an XL comes out within the next year or two. If I what I understand about the 3DS's tech is true, the 3D "sweet spot" will become even smaller with a larger screen. The processor would also have to be scaled up to support more pixels, and that demands a better battery.
However, it would be cool to see Ninty get that all to work... I'd probably get one. But practically speaking, if any revision pops up in the 1-2 year window, I think it'll be a better battery at the very least.
I would presume, as the tech advances, the "sweet spot" will become bigger and bigger, regardless of how big the screen is.
Yeah I would suspect any revisions of the hardware would be focused more on improving the 3D effect than anything else. Like, a "Lite" version doesn't really make a lot of sense since the original is pretty compact already. I personally still think XL is a little gimmicky (like GBA Micro) as well, but they could *maybe* go that route eventually.
I would presume, as the tech advances, the "sweet spot" will become bigger and bigger, regardless of how big the screen is.
Yeah I would suspect any revisions of the hardware would be focused more on improving the 3D effect than anything else. Like, a "Lite" version doesn't really make a lot of sense since the original is pretty compact already. I personally still think XL is a little gimmicky (like GBA Micro) as well, but they could *maybe* go that route eventually.
I guess I was addressing the current limitations with parallax barrier technology, though I'm sure Nintendo is working to get past those limits.
I'm pretty excited about being able to watch 3D video on the 3DS. A bigger screen would definitely be a legitimate reason to get an XL. If/when the XL does come out, I'm sure Netflix will be in full force.
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I would presume, as the tech advances, the "sweet spot" will become bigger and bigger, regardless of how big the screen is.
Yeah I would suspect any revisions of the hardware would be focused more on improving the 3D effect than anything else. Like, a "Lite" version doesn't really make a lot of sense since the original is pretty compact already. I personally still think XL is a little gimmicky (like GBA Micro) as well, but they could *maybe* go that route eventually.
I guess I was addressing the current limitations with parallax barrier technology, though I'm sure Nintendo is working to get past those limits.
I'm pretty excited about being able to watch 3D video on the 3DS. A bigger screen would definitely be a legitimate reason to get an XL. If/when the XL does come out, I'm sure Netflix will be in full force.
Actually that's true, XL does make a bit more sense given all the extra crap 3DS can do.
The effect I saw on the Fujifilm 3D camera was okay but was a bit fuzzy and my girlfriend couldn't see the effect all all, so it's completely a "doubtful until I see it myself" situation.
I was at Cebit (kinda like CES, but in Germany) last week. There was a no glasses 3D TV where the 3D effect was barely noticeable with very little difference between standing in the proper spot and not. On the 3DS however the 3D effect was very obvious, but unfortunately you see double when viewing from an angle.
Other devices are not indicative of the 3DS. The 3DS is indicative of the 3DS.
I'm not saying the 3DS is bad, I'm just saying if you're hestitating about buying any piece of consumer electronics, it is almost always best to just wait. Especially with a gaming system, if you wait a year there will probably be a whole library of decent games you can pick up on the cheap and there's at least a chance that a price cut will be announced.
I would be surprised if there wasn't an updated 3DS. I expect later models to have better battery life and hopefully an improved 3D effect so that you have a bit more leeway to move your head.
I will be very surprised if an XL comes out within the next year or two. If I what I understand about the 3DS's tech is true, the 3D "sweet spot" will become even smaller with a larger screen. The processor would also have to be scaled up to support more pixels, and that demands a better battery.
My point here is we're unlikely to see a revision better than DS -> DSiXL: probably unlikely to see a revision better than DSi -> DSiXL. There's a reason why the history of "wait for the hardware revision" doesn't apply here.
You don't have depth perception with one eye, you have severely reduced depth estimation.
Also, this has nothing to do with seeing the 3D effect on the 3DS. You definitely need 2 eyes.
Of course you need 2 eyes for the 3DS effect. But that's the limit of the technology there.
Huh?
Depth perception works because we have two eyes. If you only have one eye, then you can't see "3D" in real life either. You can only see depth by moving your head or otherwise looking at things from different angles.
As a result, the only technology that could help someone with one eye see images in 3D would be some kind of head-tracking to simulate that. Of course, that would improve the perception of 3D for us stereobros too, but it wouldn't work in 3D on the 3DS because you have to keep your head in the same spot for the effect to work.
The short of it is the brain can tell depth with one eye if it has enough information to assume the depth that it does with two working eyes.
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The brain does its best to estimate depth when you only have one eye, yes
but that kind of depth perception already works on 2D pictures without any sort of technology. Cover one of your eyes and play a game (with realistic shadows, preferably), and after a short while you'll have a better gauge of in-game depth than you did while looking at it with two eyes, because with two eyes your brain automatically sees that it's a 2D image, but there's no difference between a 3D image and a 2D image when you're looking at it with one eye, from the same angle.
Whoa, Amazon gives $120 for a 20GB Xbox 360 Trade-In. That's mighty tempting because the damn thing's just sitting in my closet otherwise...hmm.
I'd say jump on good trade in deals when you can. I traded in a closet 360 when the 360S came out. Traded in a 'phat' DS towards the 3DS.
Trading-in stuff you don't want anymore for hardware is about as much sense as you can make with selling your games.
Yeah, but I like to give stuff to friends and family before selling it...so I'm trying to think of who would need or want it before i get rid of it.
My initial plan was to use it as a spare DVD player/netflix box but I'd have to buy another wi-fi adapter and I'd need another Xbox Live Account to use Netflix...not cost effective.
Edit: So in the last hour or two it dropped from $120.25 to $40.00. Guess I'm not trading it in after all.
Also guess I should have jumped on the $120 price the moment I saw it but I didn't think it'd go away so quickly.
Edit 2: I'm beginning to think the page had glitched or something...the page actually says "Trade-In Value: $28" but when you click on the link it changes to $40. So confused. Regardless that took a potential 3DS purchase and nixed it. Which is good, I guess, because I was tempted to buy something that I didn't really have any games I wanted for yet and not even in a preferred color.
I'm going the preorder route, even though none of the launch games really interest me much, just to avoid having to deal with any possible shortages down the road. Also, I've wanted to get my hands on this since E3, just for the tech, and in that case, I'm fine being an early adopter, and possibly missing out on some improved features in whatever revisions come rolling down the pike. The timing also seems appropriate to me; it comes out exactly five years and four days after I got my phat DS, and, like Lunker, the DS is my favorite gaming device of any kind since the '90s. It's not a big deal, and obviously won't mean anything to anyone else, but I think that it's kind of a cool little coincidence.
I've never owned my own copy of OoT, even though I've played most of it (borrowed a cart about ten years ago), so there's that to look forward to; there's also Paper Mario, Mario 3DS, Mega Man Legends 3 (assuming it comes out good), and a bunch of other decent games in the pipeline. I'm sure I'll be able to get at least $250 worth of enjoyment out of one before any revisions hit.
Just got to try out a 3DS, and the effect in the menu and camera held together very well. Street Fighter was harder to keep in focus though. Anyone know what this might be due to?
Just got to try out a 3DS, and the effect in the menu and camera held together very well. Street Fighter was harder to keep in focus though. Anyone know what this might be due to?
The slidepad is pretty great though.
I'm not sure, but maybe you were playing on that mode where you use the touchpad to do special moves? I thought it was pretty hard to look down at the bottom screen and then return my gaze to the top one because my eyes had to transition from looking 3D to 2D back to 3D again.
I think a lot of people are going to have trouble focusing well on fast moving stereoscopic 3D games at first. I just don't know if everyone will adapt.
Everyone will adapt... except old people set in their ways. :P
People adapted to d-pads, analog sticks, first person perspective, a bunch of buttons on a controller, 3D platformers ala Mario64, touch controls, motion controls...
It may be disorienting at first if you're not used to it, but I'm sure people will not even notice after awhile.
Or not, I don't know I haven't played the 3DS yet.
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The reason I want to hold off is three fold.
I don't really see any release games I want besides Pilotwings. So I find it hard to justify buying a new console for 1 new game I want.
Second reason is that I am so in love with my XL screen that I am not sure I want to go back to the smaller ones.
Last is that I still cant play FF6 advance on it which leaves me to keep stealing my kids DS.
I think the 3DS looks great and all but I have a hard time lining up for one on release day.
Is there something I am missing about this?
You might have heard about it.
And even if they don't, some shady Chinese company will. I don't think it'll change the dimensions of the device though, given that capacity for a given size tends to increase steadily over time. I'm also sure that the current battery is presumably rather cheap, and in a year or so's time you could probably buy one that's double the capacity for £20 or so.
Doesn't really interest me. I see it as just a gimmick and something that always strains my eyes.
::shrugs::
They've got the design pretty much right first time this time. There might be a better version coming at some point, but short of major new features, there aren't any design problems waiting to be fixed in version 2.0.
The effect I saw on the Fujifilm 3D camera was okay but was a bit fuzzy and my girlfriend couldn't see the effect all all, so it's completely a "doubtful until I see it myself" situation.
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I was at Cebit (kinda like CES, but in Germany) last week. There was a no glasses 3D TV where the 3D effect was barely noticeable with very little difference between standing in the proper spot and not. On the 3DS however the 3D effect was very obvious, but unfortunately you see double when viewing from an angle.
Other devices are not indicative of the 3DS. The 3DS is indicative of the 3DS.
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My situation is peculiar; not to sound like a total dick, but I'm getting my 3DS as a very gracious present, which is why I'm fairly ambivalent to the launch lineup but still excited about picking up the system right at launch. Still, there are at least a few games I'm really excited about trying myself this year (Kid Icarus, perhaps Ocarina, definitely Mario Kart if/when it surfaces and the new Mario), and I don't plan on seeing a revision until at least 18 months down the road. If it were my own money, I'd likely wait at least a year on a 3DS because my backlog is spilling out of my ass right now (cue shaking fist at grad school), but as-is I'm excited about trying the new tech.
Speaking of battery extensions: I have a Five Below by me (it's a 5-dollar version of a dollar store), and I saw a really cheap DSi battery extender that uses AA batteries to charge a DSi on the go. Like a ghetto knockoff of those Eneloop sticks that look totally badass. Now, the 3DS uses the same charger as the DSi, right? I'm curious, but afraid that a shitty product might explode and ruin my 3DS battery.
the 3-d effect without glasses is something technically im very interested in seeing, but mostly I just have alot of faith that the 3ds will have lots of great games to play. None of the launch titles particularly grab my attention but im still pre ordering for a day one release on the basis of that faith. I've still got my original DS fattie. the XL and other versions of the DS never had anything i needed on them so waiting for a second revision isnt high on my list.
By the way, do we have any kind of list as to where the demo kiosks will be before the purchase date? I'd really like to see the 3-d effect in person before i buy even if ill probably buy anyway .
I will be very surprised if an XL comes out within the next year or two. If I what I understand about the 3DS's tech is true, the 3D "sweet spot" will become even smaller with a larger screen. The processor would also have to be scaled up to support more pixels, and that demands a better battery.
However, it would be cool to see Ninty get that all to work... I'd probably get one. But practically speaking, if any revision pops up in the 1-2 year window, I think it'll be a better battery at the very least.
Yeah I would suspect any revisions of the hardware would be focused more on improving the 3D effect than anything else. Like, a "Lite" version doesn't really make a lot of sense since the original is pretty compact already. I personally still think XL is a little gimmicky (like GBA Micro) as well, but they could *maybe* go that route eventually.
I guess I was addressing the current limitations with parallax barrier technology, though I'm sure Nintendo is working to get past those limits.
I'm pretty excited about being able to watch 3D video on the 3DS. A bigger screen would definitely be a legitimate reason to get an XL. If/when the XL does come out, I'm sure Netflix will be in full force.
Actually that's true, XL does make a bit more sense given all the extra crap 3DS can do.
I'm not saying the 3DS is bad, I'm just saying if you're hestitating about buying any piece of consumer electronics, it is almost always best to just wait. Especially with a gaming system, if you wait a year there will probably be a whole library of decent games you can pick up on the cheap and there's at least a chance that a price cut will be announced.
I would be surprised if there wasn't an updated 3DS. I expect later models to have better battery life and hopefully an improved 3D effect so that you have a bit more leeway to move your head.
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Do you have two eyes? Does your depth perception work fine normally?
Then you can see 3D effects. Stop being surprised, dammit.
I'd say jump on good trade in deals when you can. I traded in a closet 360 when the 360S came out. Traded in a 'phat' DS towards the 3DS.
Trading-in stuff you don't want anymore for hardware is about as much sense as you can make with selling your games.
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Also, this has nothing to do with seeing the 3D effect on the 3DS. You definitely need 2 eyes.
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Of course you need 2 eyes for the 3DS effect. But that's the limit of the technology there.
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Huh?
Depth perception works because we have two eyes. If you only have one eye, then you can't see "3D" in real life either. You can only see depth by moving your head or otherwise looking at things from different angles.
As a result, the only technology that could help someone with one eye see images in 3D would be some kind of head-tracking to simulate that. Of course, that would improve the perception of 3D for us stereobros too, but it wouldn't work in 3D on the 3DS because you have to keep your head in the same spot for the effect to work.
but that kind of depth perception already works on 2D pictures without any sort of technology. Cover one of your eyes and play a game (with realistic shadows, preferably), and after a short while you'll have a better gauge of in-game depth than you did while looking at it with two eyes, because with two eyes your brain automatically sees that it's a 2D image, but there's no difference between a 3D image and a 2D image when you're looking at it with one eye, from the same angle.
Yeah, but I like to give stuff to friends and family before selling it...so I'm trying to think of who would need or want it before i get rid of it.
My initial plan was to use it as a spare DVD player/netflix box but I'd have to buy another wi-fi adapter and I'd need another Xbox Live Account to use Netflix...not cost effective.
Edit: So in the last hour or two it dropped from $120.25 to $40.00. Guess I'm not trading it in after all.
Also guess I should have jumped on the $120 price the moment I saw it but I didn't think it'd go away so quickly.
Edit 2: I'm beginning to think the page had glitched or something...the page actually says "Trade-In Value: $28" but when you click on the link it changes to $40. So confused. Regardless that took a potential 3DS purchase and nixed it. Which is good, I guess, because I was tempted to buy something that I didn't really have any games I wanted for yet and not even in a preferred color.
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I've never owned my own copy of OoT, even though I've played most of it (borrowed a cart about ten years ago), so there's that to look forward to; there's also Paper Mario, Mario 3DS, Mega Man Legends 3 (assuming it comes out good), and a bunch of other decent games in the pipeline. I'm sure I'll be able to get at least $250 worth of enjoyment out of one before any revisions hit.
I'm still thinking about camping outside walmart/target though. Just in case.
The slidepad is pretty great though.
I'm not sure, but maybe you were playing on that mode where you use the touchpad to do special moves? I thought it was pretty hard to look down at the bottom screen and then return my gaze to the top one because my eyes had to transition from looking 3D to 2D back to 3D again.
I dunno, perhaps it was somethign to do with my eyes?
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People adapted to d-pads, analog sticks, first person perspective, a bunch of buttons on a controller, 3D platformers ala Mario64, touch controls, motion controls...
It may be disorienting at first if you're not used to it, but I'm sure people will not even notice after awhile.
Or not, I don't know I haven't played the 3DS yet.