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Credit balance and payment? (move please?)

KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
edited January 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
Edit: Err... I thought I was in H/A not D&/orD. Oops. If a mod doesn't mind moving this?

I got my first credit card late November and have been trying to figure out the best way to handle the card to help work on my credit score.

My plan had been to more or less add the card in as a middle man for what I had been using my debit card for and the go and pay it off right away.

I've seen people say that leaving a balance can help, the reasoning I saw at least once was that it shows you can handle debt on the card, I've seen people say paying it all off helps, and I've seen that neither makes a difference as long as you make payments on time. At the end of the month, is the only difference between a balance and no balance just whether you pay interest or not and no real effect to credit scores?

I'd also noticed that keeping the use of the card below 30% of the credit limit can also help. The reason this is noteworthy is that my parents and I had planned to use my card to pay for school, and then they would pay it off. Is it more detrimental to do this than it is to not use the card for this? Card is a $2,500 credit limit card, school per semester is around $2,000-2,200 I believe.

Finally, is there any difference in paying off the card right away or waiting for the statement to come in? I wouldn't think so, but I've found that sometimes things work really weird.

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  • aiouaaioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I used to work for a credit union, and I spent a bunch of time looking and experian credit reports. So it might be different for other reports. But here's what I know.

    The report will show your credit limit, the balance, and a payment history (just paid y/n, it doesn't track payment amounts). The lower the balance, the better. The only reason you wouldn't just not use the card is that some companies will report it as inactive. So a card that has a bunch of months of inactive will mostly stop counting. Ideally you'd use it a little bit each month and pay it off all the way. That way it shows up as an active card with a low balance.

    Honestly, just wait until you get the statement and pay it all off then. Billing with credit cards can get needlessly complex depending on what system they're using. I've had to untangle some horrible messes in my day with people making partial payments throughout the month.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Pay off the balance completely every month.

    Six on
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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thank you for the advice. Just wanted to get that straightened out.

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  • MahoneMahone Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Six wrote: »
    Pay off the balance completely every month.


    This is great if you want to avoid interest, however it doesn't really help build your credit rating. What you'll see lenders look for is the maximum amount of credit alloted to you by another lender, meaning if you have a credit card with a limit of $500 it's frowned upon, but one for $10,000 is seen as a benefit. They'll look at the number of months/years you've owned the card (the longer the better), the amount on the card as of the last statement (use of your Debt/Available Credit ration).

    Credit card companies send information to the union based upon payment as well. If it's early you get a certain rating that month, if it's on time another, and late the worst possible. If you don't carry a balance, i.e. pay the card off every month, you're not considered taking a loan, and it doesn't show as "borrowing money", which is paramount to helping to build your credit ration. If you pay it off every month, it looks like you're not being loaned anything by a lender, which other companies will look at.

    My advice after working for a credit card company is to charge your tuition on it, and pay it off within a few months if possible, if your interest rate is anywhere near reasonable. Set the card up for automatic payments, for the minimum amount, it'll be the best thing you ever did. One missed payment will result in at least a $30 fee, and can boost your interest rate to nearly 30%.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mahone wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Pay off the balance completely every month.


    This is great if you want to avoid interest, however it doesn't really help build your credit rating. What you'll see lenders look for is the maximum amount of credit alloted to you by another lender, meaning if you have a credit card with a limit of $500 it's frowned upon, but one for $10,000 is seen as a benefit. They'll look at the number of months/years you've owned the card (the longer the better), the amount on the card as of the last statement (use of your Debt/Available Credit ration).

    Credit card companies send information to the union based upon payment as well. If it's early you get a certain rating that month, if it's on time another, and late the worst possible. If you don't carry a balance, i.e. pay the card off every month, you're not considered taking a loan, and it doesn't show as "borrowing money", which is paramount to helping to build your credit ration. If you pay it off every month, it looks like you're not being loaned anything by a lender, which other companies will look at.

    My advice after working for a credit card company is to charge your tuition on it, and pay it off within a few months if possible, if your interest rate is anywhere near reasonable. Set the card up for automatic payments, for the minimum amount, it'll be the best thing you ever did. One missed payment will result in at least a $30 fee, and can boost your interest rate to nearly 30%.

    There is a lot of false information here. If you have a credit card, it's considered a revolving line of debt. Paying it off every month does a lot to help your credit rating.

    Credit card companies love people who pay interest, but it's a myth that you need to carry a balance to improve your credit rating.

    Six on
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  • LoklarLoklar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Six wrote: »
    Mahone wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Pay off the balance completely every month.


    This is great if you want to avoid interest, however it doesn't really help build your credit rating. What you'll see lenders look for is the maximum amount of credit alloted to you by another lender, meaning if you have a credit card with a limit of $500 it's frowned upon, but one for $10,000 is seen as a benefit. They'll look at the number of months/years you've owned the card (the longer the better), the amount on the card as of the last statement (use of your Debt/Available Credit ration).

    Credit card companies send information to the union based upon payment as well. If it's early you get a certain rating that month, if it's on time another, and late the worst possible. If you don't carry a balance, i.e. pay the card off every month, you're not considered taking a loan, and it doesn't show as "borrowing money", which is paramount to helping to build your credit ration. If you pay it off every month, it looks like you're not being loaned anything by a lender, which other companies will look at.

    My advice after working for a credit card company is to charge your tuition on it, and pay it off within a few months if possible, if your interest rate is anywhere near reasonable. Set the card up for automatic payments, for the minimum amount, it'll be the best thing you ever did. One missed payment will result in at least a $30 fee, and can boost your interest rate to nearly 30%.

    There is a lot of false information here. If you have a credit card, it's considered a revolving line of debt. Paying it off every month does a lot to help your credit rating.Credit card companies love people who pay interest, but it's a myth that you need to carry a balance to improve your credit rating.

    The advice to only pay the minimum amount is comically bad. That's the kind of advice a super-villain working at a credit card company would give.

    He'd have debt powers. And threaten the hero with repeated 3am phonecalls.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Loklar wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Mahone wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Pay off the balance completely every month.


    This is great if you want to avoid interest, however it doesn't really help build your credit rating. What you'll see lenders look for is the maximum amount of credit alloted to you by another lender, meaning if you have a credit card with a limit of $500 it's frowned upon, but one for $10,000 is seen as a benefit. They'll look at the number of months/years you've owned the card (the longer the better), the amount on the card as of the last statement (use of your Debt/Available Credit ration).

    Credit card companies send information to the union based upon payment as well. If it's early you get a certain rating that month, if it's on time another, and late the worst possible. If you don't carry a balance, i.e. pay the card off every month, you're not considered taking a loan, and it doesn't show as "borrowing money", which is paramount to helping to build your credit ration. If you pay it off every month, it looks like you're not being loaned anything by a lender, which other companies will look at.

    My advice after working for a credit card company is to charge your tuition on it, and pay it off within a few months if possible, if your interest rate is anywhere near reasonable. Set the card up for automatic payments, for the minimum amount, it'll be the best thing you ever did. One missed payment will result in at least a $30 fee, and can boost your interest rate to nearly 30%.

    There is a lot of false information here. If you have a credit card, it's considered a revolving line of debt. Paying it off every month does a lot to help your credit rating.Credit card companies love people who pay interest, but it's a myth that you need to carry a balance to improve your credit rating.

    The advice to only pay the minimum amount is comically bad.
    What he actually said was have it set up to automatically pay the minimum each month so that you never miss a payment, and especially if you've got a no interest period on your card, that's not a bad idea. The rest of Mahone's post can be safely ignored, though. The only one who's going to benefit from you carrying an interest-accruing balance from month to month is the CC company.

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  • MahoneMahone Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Well, I guess my years of working for a major bank and finance department of an automotive dealership were in vain!


    EDIT: Sorry if that came off a bit too snarky, I honestly didn't intend it in that capacity. It's been a few years since I worked for the bank, things may have changed in that time.

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    No, things have pretty much always been like this. Credit card providers love the myth that carrying a balance and paying interest helps your credit, but it's always been a myth. The best way to use a credit card is to use it regularly and pay it off completely every month.

    Now, carrying a balance may lead to that particular company raising your credit limit (since they're eager for you to spend more and pay more in interest), but that is not the same as raising your credit rating.

    Using a card responsibly and paying it off in full every month is the best way to build your credit. Carrying a balance and paying interst is the best way to give money to your credit card company.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Loklar wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Mahone wrote: »
    Six wrote: »
    Pay off the balance completely every month.


    This is great if you want to avoid interest, however it doesn't really help build your credit rating. What you'll see lenders look for is the maximum amount of credit alloted to you by another lender, meaning if you have a credit card with a limit of $500 it's frowned upon, but one for $10,000 is seen as a benefit. They'll look at the number of months/years you've owned the card (the longer the better), the amount on the card as of the last statement (use of your Debt/Available Credit ration).

    Credit card companies send information to the union based upon payment as well. If it's early you get a certain rating that month, if it's on time another, and late the worst possible. If you don't carry a balance, i.e. pay the card off every month, you're not considered taking a loan, and it doesn't show as "borrowing money", which is paramount to helping to build your credit ration. If you pay it off every month, it looks like you're not being loaned anything by a lender, which other companies will look at.

    My advice after working for a credit card company is to charge your tuition on it, and pay it off within a few months if possible, if your interest rate is anywhere near reasonable. Set the card up for automatic payments, for the minimum amount, it'll be the best thing you ever did. One missed payment will result in at least a $30 fee, and can boost your interest rate to nearly 30%.

    There is a lot of false information here. If you have a credit card, it's considered a revolving line of debt. Paying it off every month does a lot to help your credit rating.Credit card companies love people who pay interest, but it's a myth that you need to carry a balance to improve your credit rating.

    The advice to only pay the minimum amount is comically bad. That's the kind of advice a super-villain working at a credit card company would give.

    He'd have debt powers. And threaten the hero with repeated 3am phonecalls.

    Which can get the person/company involved with a hefty fine paid to the person being called.

    Like, $1000 per call. Also a good way to eliminate debt. I think the time limits are 8am-9pm in the person's time zone for collection calls. For instance a person in California can't call someone in NY just because it's 9pm in California and midnight in NY.

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  • MahoneMahone Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh well, learn something new evey day. Everyone should set up auto payments, however, just to ensure they never miss one. People forget, things get destroyed in the mail, tons of stuff.

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  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Get a card with rewards, points or cash whichever you prefer. Put everything on it you can. Pay off the balance in full every month. Reap rewards. Points can be just as good as cash since a lot of cards let you buy Amazon gift cards with the points.

    NOTE: This only works if you can control your own spending while using a card for everything.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    speaking of Credit and whatnot. I was denied recently for a sweet card due to insufficiently awesome credit. I know the inquiries don't stay on your report for 7 years, but how long do they stay on for? Is it 6 months?

    Thanks D&D&H&A!

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  • SixSix Caches Tweets in the mainframe cyberhex Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    1-2 years usually, sometimes longer.

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  • aiouaaioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Inquiries only matter if you have a lot of them in a short period, really... It's another of those things that's been overblown.

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  • KurnDerakKurnDerak Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The card I do have is a rewards card, but the points are about 100 points ~ $1 of spending power at the rewards store. The only gift card I saw was iTunes $25 for 3000 points.

    Auto pay is at the top of my list for things to do, just need to figure out which day to set it up for so that I make sure to have enough in checking to do that.

    Interest on the card is 8.99% APR, APR ceiling is 18%. It's low enough that I'm not worried about keeping a low balance as long as it doesn't affect my credit score. I know the problem with that lies in making sure the balance doesn't get too high.

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