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  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    Was he making the trollface?

    No she wasn't but omg I love you. <3

    Arivia on
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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Witchdr wrote: »
    Witchdr wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    I don't quite understand that sentence.

    Woman is the "other" in all cultures

    Sorry guess I should have asked a question rather then just say I dont understand. What is ment by "other"?

    It has quite a few meanings, but the one that I most often associate with the word is someone in an oftentimes subordinate role that is defined completely in relation to the dominating position in society, which, in the context of gender studies in East Asian and European cultures, often meant the male

    Eddy on
    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD along with you if I get drunk well I know I'm gonna be gonna be the man whoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.

    I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist

    but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"

    AFAIK there have been no truly matriarchal societies identified among all the cultures of Earth past or present. There are matrilineal societies, and societies with occasional female power figures, and societies where genders were effectively equal, but there have been done where women were more powerful than men simply by virtue of being women. At best, there might be modern matriarchal subcultures (like, say, femdom kink).

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Arch wrote: »
    "between the gene we scientists now know makes people eat coconut milk ice cream after fish dinner..."

    goddamit that line kills me everytime
    Where is that from?

    Richy on
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  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If there's one thing [chat] seems unified in is its love of Queen

    all topics should be Queen based to keep the peace

    I do what I can

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqnXd8qoTM

    evilbob on
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    WWDWDWWWWDWWWWLDWWW - Premiers in April
    WW - Champions in May

  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    Stupid Denmark is leading in this handball game. SUCK,

    Honk on
    PSN: Honkalot
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure that my amygdala will activate at the sight of a lot of white men's photos, too.

    Because frankly a lot of men trigger my anxiety in subtle but perceptible ways.

    It's kind of been a problem for exploring the gay side of my sexuality.

    sure

    I think that's true -- I get nervous when I see a group of young men on my street at night, in general

    but implicit bias is a very well-researched and very well-evidenced phenomenon, by many different modes of investigation including traditional psychological study (not evo-psych or brain imaging)

    and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"

    seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response

    I mean does it really matter

    I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time

    technically Feral brought it up

    although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough

    i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters

    Arch on
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Richy wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    "between the gene we scientists now know makes people eat coconut milk ice cream after fish dinner..."

    goddamit that line kills me everytime
    Where is that from?

    linking it again because it is great

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M-vnmejwXo

    Arch on
  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Justin Beiber and His Totally Sweet Razor Scooter is the name of my band

    Zombiemambo on
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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Wish I had sound for that Arch. :(

    bowen on
    Ladies.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD along with you if I get drunk well I know I'm gonna be gonna be the man whoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bowen wrote: »
    Should I be concerned I have an eye that's been twitching for like.. 4 hours now? Should I post in H&A and see how many "you've got cancer!" and "take a xanax from your mom's med cabinent!" posts I get?

    Is it like a rapid irregular twitch of the eyelid

    or is your eyeball actually twitching back and forth?

    The former is a bletharospasm and is usually harmless.

    The latter is nystagmus and... isn't necessarily harmless.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Arch wrote: »
    linking it again because it is great

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M-vnmejwXo
    Well I'm at work, so I can't watch that. Link it again tonight after dinner.

    Richy on
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  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Hey Thom, I am sorry but I do not understand your last question in the M&M thread.

    I'm confused about the wording of the rule. Do I make the modifications for any power that has a status effect or toughness check, or a power that has a status effect and checks against toughness? An example would be Dazzle which has a status effect but it's a check against reflex.

    Any power that originally involves a saving throw rolls a power check against the same save defense instead.
    Any power that deals damage (that would progress the damage track) rolls a damage check instead.

    In the case of Dazzle, if I'm reading you right, you'd roll a power check against the target's Reflex save defense, instead of the target rolling a saving throw.

    Right, but at +5 or just the normal check?

    Without having access to the book I'm going to guess normal.

    The reason that +5 is in there is because Toughness save DCs against damage start at 15, not 10.

    Arivia on
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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kagera wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    you're basically saying that odds are one person the arrested person deals with along the way is a racist or specifically tries to help minorities in those positions

    I'd say that's probably likely yeah

    Or that race was a part of the socioeconomic consequences that led to the person's arrest or the availability of resources to the person.

    Or that people who aren't consciously racist had different perceptions of the suspect due to ingrained racial stereotypes.

    And then, if the thief happens to be a HOT FEMALE....

    Arresting her would be entrapment!

    moniker on
  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    heh my cousin apologized

    Organichu on
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Feral wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.

    I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist

    but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"

    AFAIK there have been no truly matriarchal societies identified among all the cultures of Earth past or present. There are matrilineal societies, and societies with occasional female power figures, and societies where genders were effectively equal, but there have been done where women were more powerful than men simply by virtue of being women. At best, there might be modern matriarchal subcultures (like, say, femdom kink).

    I agree with this, I just was pretty sure some island cultures in the south pacific developed some matriarchal societies, but then again I studied this a while ago so I'm not 100% on this.

    Anyway, the more controversial part of that student's statement, was the latter half, in my opinion. To me, it is an interesting position and arguable/defensible under a certain light, although not particularly smart to posit that in a god damn fourth year women's studies class

    Eddy on
    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • WitchdrWitchdr Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Witchdr wrote: »
    Witchdr wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    I don't quite understand that sentence.

    Woman is the "other" in all cultures

    Sorry guess I should have asked a question rather then just say I dont understand. What is ment by "other"?

    It has quite a few meanings, but the one that I most often associate with the word is someone in an oftentimes subordinate role that is defined in relation to the dominating position in society, which, in the context of gender studies in East Asian and European cultures, often meant the male


    My guess was it was some kind of submissive or lesser role but i wasn't sure and didn't want to make the leap. Honestly that is the first time i've seen other used in that context.

    Thanks for the answer.

    Also a woman in a woman's study class making an arguement that it might be ok to diminish women because everyone else does?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ

    Witchdr on
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  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2011
    Arch wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »

    and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"

    seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response

    I mean does it really matter

    I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time

    technically Feral brought it up

    although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough

    i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters

    looking at your post a little more closely

    are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?

    for the record I'm advocating the latter

    I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway

    Fartacus on
  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.

    I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist

    but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"

    No no it was specifically an appeal to naturalism

    Arivia on
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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    bowen wrote: »
    Wish I had sound for that Arch. :(

    there isn't much point without sound

    but it is still funny to watch him point at things

    Arch on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The closest thing you can get this world to Freddie live is a MIKA concert:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaEPCsQ4608&ob=av2el

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Arivia wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Someone in my class this morning tried to defend saying "woman is the other in all cultures and races on earth and maybe that's not a bad thing"

    In a fourth-year women's studies class uuughp

    Is that even true? I've got to think that there are cultures where gender isn't used as a divide, or men is the other. Just given the raw number of cultures out there.

    I don't think it's true, I mean matriarchal societies do exist

    but hyperbole is often used in arguments, maybe s/he didn't mean to say *all*, but rather "the western cultures that I have grown up in"

    No no it was specifically an appeal to naturalism

    Hahaha.

    You take classes with some crazy people, Rivs.

    Shivahn on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    Http:// pleasepaypreacher.net
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    God damn it now I'm just browsing webpages about Lacan

    french philosophers are bastards, the lot of them

    except derrida, he seemed like a nice guy

    wrong and ultimately ridiculed, but nice

    Eddy on
    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »

    and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"

    seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response

    I mean does it really matter

    I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time

    technically Feral brought it up

    although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough

    i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters

    looking at your post a little more closely

    are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?

    for the record I'm advocating the latter

    I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway

    okay see, i was thinking the first

    alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it

    (disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)

    Arch on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    moniker wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    you're basically saying that odds are one person the arrested person deals with along the way is a racist or specifically tries to help minorities in those positions

    I'd say that's probably likely yeah

    Or that race was a part of the socioeconomic consequences that led to the person's arrest or the availability of resources to the person.

    Or that people who aren't consciously racist had different perceptions of the suspect due to ingrained racial stereotypes.

    And then, if the thief happens to be a HOT FEMALE....

    Arresting her would be entrapment!

    The dude that was with his wife was hilarious.

    "Honey she's clearly stealing that bike!"

    "Shut up Marge, I'm just being friendly!" *winks at plant*

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.

    Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Best Buy claims to have my game ready to pick up. If its not there I'm going to kill someone, with a plasma torch, while wearing my ishimura hoody. This crime will confuse the police.

    Preacher on
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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    i saw mika play in a bookstore in nyc

    his voice is amazing live

    Organichu on
  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Eddy wrote: »
    God damn it now I'm just browsing webpages about Lacan

    french philosophers are bastards, the lot of them

    except derrida, he seemed like a nice guy

    wrong and ultimately ridiculed, but nice

    I pulled out Lacan when I was arguing with jacob about survival horror last night lol

    Speaking of, time to go get DS2.

    Arivia on
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  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Feral wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Should I be concerned I have an eye that's been twitching for like.. 4 hours now? Should I post in H&A and see how many "you've got cancer!" and "take a xanax from your mom's med cabinent!" posts I get?

    Is it like a rapid irregular twitch of the eyelid

    or is your eyeball actually twitching back and forth?

    The former is a bletharospasm and is usually harmless.

    The latter is nystagmus and... isn't necessarily harmless.

    The first, eyelid is twitching like mad. High stress day and I had a really salty lunch, yuk. I'm imaging my blood pressure is a bit high right now from the stress itself.

    bowen on
    Ladies.
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kagera wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.

    Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.

    Damn... well damn. Can we write that off in the same vein that the concerts to benefit african poverty went to warlords who then murdered the shit out of people?

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    Http:// pleasepaypreacher.net
  • FartacusFartacus __BANNED USERS
    edited January 2011
    Arch wrote: »
    okay see, i was thinking the first

    alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it

    (disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)

    well I mean even if it is culturally-informed to discriminate against out-groups and exhibit higher tendency to deny them resources/exclude them from status and opportunity, it's a global universal

    and implicit bias, regardless of its evolved-or-not origin is definitely a well-evidenced phenomenon

    for the argument I was making I don't think anything was really contingent on the evolutionary nature of anything

    and I'm not sure I'm comfortable enough to definitively state that out-group discrimination is an evolved tendency, though I certainly lean in that direction (I always struggle with plausible alternative explanations for complex behaviors that have existed with complete universality across all observed cultures and history).

    Fartacus on
  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It occurs to me that Black Swan and The Wrestler are a lot alike

    Aronofsky recycles

    Wash on
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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Arch wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Fartacus wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »

    and how do these rule out cultural programming and in favor of an evolved biological response, given that in every society so far we commit those who look or act differently to an "out group"

    seems tautological to infer it is an evolved response

    I mean does it really matter

    I didn't even initially evoke evo-psych this time

    technically Feral brought it up

    although I understand you also have issues with brain imaging studies, and fair enough

    i think in the context of describing an evolutionary history, and whether or not an amygdala response is a biological inevitability to outgroup, the tautology of your explanation certainly matters

    looking at your post a little more closely

    are we talking about a biological predisposition to label people who look-different as out-group, or are we talking about a biological predisposition to behave a certain way towards culturally-designated out-groups?

    for the record I'm advocating the latter

    I just want to make sure we're not talking past each other here, but we might not be anyway

    okay see, i was thinking the first

    alright yeah i think i got you on this then, although i need more evidence to claim a biological predisposition than just brain studies. but maybe it is there or something i don't know, i havent gotten TOO deep into it

    (disclaimer: can't really cite psychological studies about this either- i am going to be a stickler here and draw a slightly arbitrary divide between psychology and biology, even though it engenders the mind-body dualism fallacy)

    We should steal a bunch of babies and raise them in the wilderness away from society, keeping tabs on them in a covert manner

    my hypothesis will be that they self-segregate

    Eddy on
    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Preacher wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    You know Dave Grohl is too good. I guess the only slight you can say is he's funny looking.

    Did a concert for a group that thinks AIDS isn't real and the symptoms are caused by the TREATMENT for it.

    Damn... well damn. Can we write that off in the same vein that the concerts to benefit african poverty went to warlords who then murdered the shit out of people?

    I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before and kinda expect we will again. Weird.

    Anyway it was one of his bandmates that was into it, not him so sure.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • BobCescaBobCesca Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Did we mention that "other" has more of a specific meaning, especially in terms of feminism and comes from Simone de Beauvoir's The Second Sex?

    (Sorry if it was mentioned, but pages have passed)

    BobCesca on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It occurs to me that Black Swan and The Wrestler are a lot alike

    Aronofsky recycles

    If only he'd do an entire movie with Marissa Tomei butt ass naked with jennifer connelly. I'd buy that for a dollar.

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It occurs to me that Black Swan and The Wrestler are a lot alike

    Aronofsky recycles

    Yes Mickey Rourke doesn't go down on another wrestler.

    This is why Black Swan is superior.

    Styrofoam Sammich on
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