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The State of the Middle East [Talking 'dominos]

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Riot police pulling out of multiple locations in Cairo. Plainclothes security seen pouring gasoline on vehicles, setting them on fire #25jan

    Does that sound like 'Making justification for a severe crackdown' to anyone else?

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Sounds more like "don't use this vehicle as a barrier when we send the army onto the streets".

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ronya wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    I'm naturally pessimistic, though I try to overcome that. So don't mind me. I'm sure it means they're trying to protect people inside, rather than bar them entry.

    I'll help you be pessimistic! Ethnic and religious minorities are generally those who benefit from secular strongman governments of ethnically divided countries - see also Iraq, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Their position during revolution is thus always under threat, no matter where they position themselves; Christians in Indonesia may have lined up pro-reformasi when the protests started but the mobs dragged them out of their houses to be murdered or raped in the hundreds all the same.

    It doesn't matter if the vast bulk of the protesters don't want to murder Christians (or whoever); a fraction of the mob would suffice. Minorities are, by definition, few in number. And the government has an incentive to disrupt the unity of any opposition, so...

    Thanks ronya, you always know how to set the mood.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    Should be noted the reverse happened about a month ago with Muslims standing guard outside churches in the weeks after a Christian service was bombed.

    Was this also in Egypt? I haven't been following the news much at all the last couple months. :x

    Yes.

    It's kinda disheartening that I heard about the bombing, but not about the good stuff afterwards.


    cripes.

    if the muslims and christians can 'get along' like that in egypt of all places, what the hell is wrong with us. /rhetorical

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ronya wrote: »
    Sounds more like "don't use this vehicle as a barrier when we send the army onto the streets".

    "No no no, you're suppose to set them on fire when the protests START, not before!"

    ... wow, I'm going to hell.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    if the muslims and christians can 'get along' like that in egypt of all places, what the hell is wrong with us. /rhetorical

    Why do you think you didn't hear about anything after the bombings?

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So this twitter thing is new to me, what are good things to follow to get info on Egypt during school today?

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    if the muslims and christians can 'get along' like that in egypt of all places, what the hell is wrong with us. /rhetorical

    Why do you think you didn't hear about anything after the bombings?

    Oh, I know. that doesn't make it any less frustrating. I mean... Cripes can you see anybody but maybe a select few people like us maybe going and doing that in this country? But that's a tangent for a totally different time and place.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    James Urbaniak weighs in via Twitter:
    Today Biden said Mubarak is not a dictator. Tom'w he explains that sometimes it's good to get away from the internet and get outside.

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  • PrionburgerPrionburger Registered User new member
    edited January 2011
    On the topic of Christians guarding mosques:

    There were some bombings of churches in Egypt recently, and more were expected on the Coptic new-year, which is after the Western Christmas.

    Muslim Egyptians turned out in the thousands volunteering themselves as human shields to protect the Christians on their holiday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/07/egyptian-muslims-serve-as_n_805951.html

    Egyptians are fucking awesome. I hope they kick some ass tomorrow.

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Anti-government protesters have called for mass protests after noon prayers on Friday as they increase the pressure on the fourth day of the most serious unrest in decades.
    However, the government denied disrupting communications networks.

    A page on Facebook social networking site listed more than 30 mosques and churches where protesters were expected gather.

    "Egypt's Muslims and Christians will go out to fight against corruption, unemployment and oppression and absence of freedom," the page with more than 70,000 signatories said.


    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/01/201112804035404906.html

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So the government has made their statement about disrupting things despite things being disrupted. Not helping their case here.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    of course not. I just wonder how good an idea it is to publish the names of the places to meet.


    why does this feel like Iran all over again?

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Almost 0900hr in Cairo, 3 or 4 hr before we see if the Friday of rage is successful.

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    well, before it 'begins'.

    we likely won't know if it's successful until much later...

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Bastable wrote: »
    Almost 0900hr in Cairo, 3 or 4 hr before we see if the Friday of rage is successful.

    Part of me feels like when I wake up in the late morning, it'll all have come and gone.

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  • PrionburgerPrionburger Registered User new member
    edited January 2011
    We're sending in our goons...

    http://www.theday.com/article/20110124/NWS09/301249955/-1/nws

    God damn it.

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Demiurge wrote: »
    So this twitter thing is new to me, what are good things to follow to get info on Egypt during school today?

    Guardian, aljazeera twitter feeds which will be in English. Just searching Egypt will give you a good range of people talking about it and you can then follow people.
    Also they Egyptians them selves have no access to twitter now, so western news media types reporting on the ground are your best bet. or just twit serch for #25jan

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    We're sending in our goons...

    http://www.theday.com/article/20110124/NWS09/301249955/-1/nws

    God damn it.

    What "multinational force" does this article speak of?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    We're sending in our goons...

    http://www.theday.com/article/20110124/NWS09/301249955/-1/nws

    God damn it.

    The hell is the "multinational force" in this case?

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    the other question right after that is, was this 'multinational force' already there? and if so, is this only being reported on now because of the unrest in egypt?

    That article vaguely sounded like this deployment was already in the works for these troops, somebody just happened to notice it.

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    This one. It is not new and dates to 1976, the Camp David accords. It is stationed in the mostly depopulated Sinai peninsula, away from Egyptian population centers, so any protest-related intervention should be obvious. It may be really Just In Case New Egypt Goes Crazy And Invades Israel, though.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, nothing to see there.

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  • ahavaahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    good to see my instincts aren't too off.

    and now, to bed with me.

    i'll be up in a few hours to catch the expansion of this thread. g'night loves.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2011
    Fucking Egyptian police.


    The title of the AP video is: Man Shot in Egypt Protest. So, some of you might not want to look.

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That was yesterday's, wasn't it?

    It will get worse before it gets better. Unless Mubarak flees before the protests even start, there is going to be more violence.

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Elki wrote: »
    Fucking Egyptian police.


    The title of the AP video is: Man Shot in Egypt Protest. So, some of you might not want to look.

    Utterly no call to kill that chap, utter shit.

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ronya wrote: »
    This one. It is not new and dates to 1976, the Camp David accords. It is stationed in the mostly depopulated Sinai peninsula, away from Egyptian population centers, so any protest-related intervention should be obvious. It may be really Just In Case New Egypt Goes Crazy And Invades Israel, though.

    Because god knows Israel can't defend itself.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Elki wrote: »
    Fucking Egyptian police.


    The title of the AP video is: Man Shot in Egypt Protest. So, some of you might not want to look.

    I clicked this video off a bit.ly link from a twitter search and was not in any way prepared for it. D:

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Twitters starting to ramp up with reports of people starting to walk in the streets.

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    AND now is an appropriate time to criticize the Obama administration for the tone they've taken in addressing these developments.

    Apparently, Obama is less willing to openly criticize the Egyptian regime than Bush. If he has some sense, that should stop now. No, sense is not the word I'm looking for, decency, yeah that's the right one.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hoz wrote: »
    AND now is an appropriate time to criticize the Obama administration for the tone they've taken in addressing these developments.

    Apparently, Obama is less willing to openly criticize the Egyptian regime than Bush. If he has some sense, that should stop now. No, sense is not the word I'm looking for, decency, yeah that's the right one.

    That's silly. They're also considerably less belligerant with both the North Korean and Iranian regimes in public. But they've been getting much better results. Partially because they're not assholes to Russia for the sake of ideology.

    You don't publicly shame nation states unless you can get concrete results out of them.

    Not to say you ignore atrocities, and there should be strong condemnation of the violence that I think we all think will be happening in the next few hours.

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm pretty sure the US is not providing billions of dollars in military aid to either Iran or North Korea. I know what you're getting at and softly softly is the better road, but Mubark seems to be prepping of a massacre with a military and security apparatus that has had US dollars poured into it.

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Prayers beginning now, International media ordered to remain in their hotels. Awful feeling just come bubbling up.

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm watching the google search page scrolling tweets regarding Egypt, is there a better source?

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  • Space CoyoteSpace Coyote Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    :|

    These are ominous signs.

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm watching the google search page scrolling tweets regarding Egypt, is there a better source?
    Just follow a chap @alaa on twitter he's a chap outside of Egypt but a really good aggregator of stuff that's happening

    Security forces are arresting people at the mosques or as in Alexandria attacking protestors once they leave. media are being herded to the airports. al jaz reporter has been cut off mid transmission.


    El bardie supporters now clashing with security troops after leaving the gizi (?) Mosque

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    achap@alaa?

    e: ty

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    no sorry: alaa
    he's really on top of things

    al jazeera is all over too, www.livestation.com/channels/3-al-jazeera-english-english

    guardian reporter speaking of the situation in Alexandria sorry from Cairo, I am an idiot. http://boos.audioboo.fm/attachments/878350/Recording.mp3?audio_clip_id=264322

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    Philippe about the tactical deployment of german Kradschützen during the battle of Kursk:
    "I think I can comment on this because I used to live above the Baby Doll Lounge, a topless bar that was once frequented by bikers in lower Manhattan."

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