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also i think i meant to type "faster" but even still i'm not sure if it would change whatever the "ideal temperature for extraction" is
how do they know what it is
do they just say that?
I know nothing about coffee, but...
I'd imagine that there is enough variability in each batch that minor things like the material of the spoon used have negligible effects compared to the effect of going out and buying a different brand.
Stuff like that I always assume is just old wives' tale style stuff. I mean, pretend you know nothing about science and ignore all of the fallacies I say. Metal's colder than wood right? It feels colder when you touch it. So metal would cool down coffee more than wood. You want heat to do the extraction, so you should keep it warm so use a wooden spoon.
See, it's completely plausible if you don't think about it too much, and you'd probably believe it if someone told you and you had no scientific or logical training. I think someone just says something like that and it gets repeated ad nauseum.
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You know what's fucking crazy? Playing the race card as a joke, in an overtly joking way, and having it totally misinterpreted. Some people treat mock offense seriously, like they're covering their bases just in case, and it's the funniest thing.
That's why I always say to any new black person "What up nword? Want to work my cotton farm?" Helps break the ice.
I've asked some Jewish friends to tell me where the gold's hidden. I forget if I asked Pony.
In college we told my RA that his "fight the darkness" midnight capture the flag activity was offensive because my friend was an octoroon. Not only did he miss the irony of using one drop rule terminology, he took the mock offense so seriously that we had to stop him from publicly apologizing. I felt bad but I still couldn't stop laughing.
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Reposting from end of the last thread since it got last-paged:
in seriousness though, what is white guilt?
Is there a difference between white guilt and real racial awareness?
I mean, listen, I know I'm almost a self-parody sometimes with how self-hating I come off, and of course some of that is played up for effect on the internet
and believe me I am under no illusions that I am a super-white motherfucker. Like paper.
But I've also been told by a fair number of PoC that they feel a lot more comfortable talking about race with me than with other white folks, and they're glad they can vent to me without me getting offended
Like I think a lot of more moderate white people have a different impression of what "black people really think" -- i.e. that black folks really don't make such a big deal about all this stuff, it's just self-hating whites that do.
But frankly I don't think there are any whites out there, however progressive or self-hating, who can fully sympathize with the sentiments of a lot of people of color, no matter how hard you try. It's always been my experience that most people of color have some really deep and powerful reservoirs of anger towards the discrimination they experience and towards white people generally.
but, as a white guy, of course I'm not comfortable speaking for people of color or anything. Just in my experience, most people of color I've known have held many opinions that would be considered "extreme" or "irrational" by most whites.
Like if I said "all convictions of people of color are racially motivated," comments like that tend to get received with very little skepticism among non-white people. Partly I think because of context, and people get I'm not saying "no PoC has ever been guilty of a crime" or something like that, but also I think because views really do differ.
Here, 'strength' means how much of the coffee beverage is actually coffee, so 1.25 on the scale above indicates that 1.25% of what you're drinking are coffee solids dissolved in the water. 'Extraction' means what fraction of the original dry ground coffee has ended up in your cup. For example, if you start with 5 oz of ground coffee, and 1 oz dissolves during brewing, then the extraction is 1/5 or 20%. The red diagonal lines show how much coffee you started with -- for example, the line labeled 3.75oz (106 grams) means you put that much ground coffee into the brew basket. On this particular chart, the brewing formula always assumes 1/2 gal (1.9 liters) of hot water with each coffee weight.
Remember that the brew chart applies to the actual amount of water you pour over the coffee grounds. If you want to end up with 64oz of brewed beverage, you'll need to start with more water -- about 70 oz in this case. To maintain the 4oz/half gallon ratio, you would need to increase the weight of coffee to (70/64) * 4oz = 4.37 oz.
A complete brew analysis looks also at the temperature of the brew water and how long the water is in contact with the coffee, and includes assessments of how fine or coarse the coffee is ground, the bed depth of ground coffee in the brew basket, and how well the spray head is wets the grounds.
For the algebraically inclined, the calculations assume that about 1.5oz of water per oz of ground coffee will remain in the basket after brewing. So if you start with 4oz of ground coffee, pour 1/2 gallon of hot water over it, and measure the strength to be 1300 ppm, then the extraction is just
{[64oz water - (4oz coffee x 1.5oz water/oz coffee)] x .0013}/4oz coffee ~ 19% extraction
still no mention of the ideal temperature, but it is very interesting.
also apparently there was a Coffee Brewing Institute back at MIT in the 50s
also i think i meant to type "faster" but even still i'm not sure if it would change whatever the "ideal temperature for extraction" is
how do they know what it is
do they just say that?
I know nothing about coffee, but...
I'd imagine that there is enough variability in each batch that minor things like the material of the spoon used have negligible effects compared to the effect of going out and buying a different brand.
Stuff like that I always assume is just old wives' tale style stuff. I mean, pretend you know nothing about science and ignore all of the fallacies I say. Metal's colder than wood right? It feels colder when you touch it. So metal would cool down coffee more than wood. You want heat to do the extraction, so you should keep it warm so use a wooden spoon.
See, it's completely plausible if you don't think about it too much, and you'd probably believe it if someone told you and you had no scientific or logical training. I think someone just says something like that and it gets repeated ad nauseum.
Like if I said "all convictions of people of color are racially motivated," comments like that tend to get received with very little skepticism among non-white people.
I think the problem is when you then assume it is true because of this.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Way to go Mods. Do you know the untold grief the old thread not closing caused me?
also i think i meant to type "faster" but even still i'm not sure if it would change whatever the "ideal temperature for extraction" is
how do they know what it is
do they just say that?
I know nothing about coffee, but...
I'd imagine that there is enough variability in each batch that minor things like the material of the spoon used have negligible effects compared to the effect of going out and buying a different brand.
Stuff like that I always assume is just old wives' tale style stuff. I mean, pretend you know nothing about science and ignore all of the fallacies I say. Metal's colder than wood right? It feels colder when you touch it. So metal would cool down coffee more than wood. You want heat to do the extraction, so you should keep it warm so use a wooden spoon.
See, it's completely plausible if you don't think about it too much, and you'd probably believe it if someone told you and you had no scientific or logical training. I think someone just says something like that and it gets repeated ad nauseum.
it is like you are in my braiiiiiiin
I wouldn't be putting my degree in physiology and neuroscience to good use if I weren't, now would I? :P
My white ancestors were poor potato eaters from across the pond, who got the black treatment up until 40 years or so ago. White guilt is as situational as white privilege.
And mine were garlic eaters
regardless, we were both born with tons of privilege, which we have now
white guilt is stupid if what you mean by white guilt is guilt for slavery or something
but all white people in America have some degree of privilege as a result of their race, which is an unfair benefit that others do not have.
and it does come at the expense of others, pretty much definitionally
so, to the extent that you want to feel guilty about that? I'm not sure -- certainly you're not at fault for what color you were born.
God I know growing up the son of a baker and receptionist, life has been a bed of roses. Everyday I look at my skin and go "God damn I'm glad I'm a whitey."
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
also i think i meant to type "faster" but even still i'm not sure if it would change whatever the "ideal temperature for extraction" is
how do they know what it is
do they just say that?
I know nothing about coffee, but...
I'd imagine that there is enough variability in each batch that minor things like the material of the spoon used have negligible effects compared to the effect of going out and buying a different brand.
Stuff like that I always assume is just old wives' tale style stuff. I mean, pretend you know nothing about science and ignore all of the fallacies I say. Metal's colder than wood right? It feels colder when you touch it. So metal would cool down coffee more than wood. You want heat to do the extraction, so you should keep it warm so use a wooden spoon.
See, it's completely plausible if you don't think about it too much, and you'd probably believe it if someone told you and you had no scientific or logical training. I think someone just says something like that and it gets repeated ad nauseum.
it is like you are in my braiiiiiiin
I wouldn't be putting my degree in physiology and neuroscience to good use if I weren't, now would I? :P
This same thing is why I fell for those bogus "ear candles" all throughout high school.
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I now know what a balsamic reduction is but when I first heard it I was
o.O
It makes me giggle.
funnily enough, i learned cooking before chemistry so i had the exact OPPOSITE reaction
i was all trying to fit it into the schema of a reduced sauce and was like damnit this doesnt make sense
I know nothing about coffee, but...
I'd imagine that there is enough variability in each batch that minor things like the material of the spoon used have negligible effects compared to the effect of going out and buying a different brand.
Stuff like that I always assume is just old wives' tale style stuff. I mean, pretend you know nothing about science and ignore all of the fallacies I say. Metal's colder than wood right? It feels colder when you touch it. So metal would cool down coffee more than wood. You want heat to do the extraction, so you should keep it warm so use a wooden spoon.
See, it's completely plausible if you don't think about it too much, and you'd probably believe it if someone told you and you had no scientific or logical training. I think someone just says something like that and it gets repeated ad nauseum.
Pfft.
Who you calling blondie, vanillia?
In college we told my RA that his "fight the darkness" midnight capture the flag activity was offensive because my friend was an octoroon. Not only did he miss the irony of using one drop rule terminology, he took the mock offense so seriously that we had to stop him from publicly apologizing. I felt bad but I still couldn't stop laughing.
in seriousness though, what is white guilt?
Is there a difference between white guilt and real racial awareness?
I mean, listen, I know I'm almost a self-parody sometimes with how self-hating I come off, and of course some of that is played up for effect on the internet
and believe me I am under no illusions that I am a super-white motherfucker. Like paper.
But I've also been told by a fair number of PoC that they feel a lot more comfortable talking about race with me than with other white folks, and they're glad they can vent to me without me getting offended
Like I think a lot of more moderate white people have a different impression of what "black people really think" -- i.e. that black folks really don't make such a big deal about all this stuff, it's just self-hating whites that do.
But frankly I don't think there are any whites out there, however progressive or self-hating, who can fully sympathize with the sentiments of a lot of people of color, no matter how hard you try. It's always been my experience that most people of color have some really deep and powerful reservoirs of anger towards the discrimination they experience and towards white people generally.
but, as a white guy, of course I'm not comfortable speaking for people of color or anything. Just in my experience, most people of color I've known have held many opinions that would be considered "extreme" or "irrational" by most whites.
Like if I said "all convictions of people of color are racially motivated," comments like that tend to get received with very little skepticism among non-white people. Partly I think because of context, and people get I'm not saying "no PoC has ever been guilty of a crime" or something like that, but also I think because views really do differ.
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I like. Stephen Fry is best human.
Organichu: I say Israel can have all of those except the Egyptian bits.
Cause Egypt is cool.
still no mention of the ideal temperature, but it is very interesting.
also apparently there was a Coffee Brewing Institute back at MIT in the 50s
Boo. Panic attacks are awful.
probably
I've panicked myself into puking before, certainly
you got some xanax, brodogg?
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it is like you are in my braiiiiiiin
I think the problem is when you then assume it is true because of this.
1 scoop to 2 cups generally, which is basically what the chart says just with more SCIENCE
EDIT: given that a "scoop" is about an ounce, ounce and a half of ground coffee
I wouldn't be putting my degree in physiology and neuroscience to good use if I weren't, now would I? :P
And mine were garlic eaters
regardless, we were both born with tons of privilege, which we have now
white guilt is stupid if what you mean by white guilt is guilt for slavery or something
but all white people in America have some degree of privilege as a result of their race, which is an unfair benefit that others do not have.
and it does come at the expense of others, pretty much definitionally
so, to the extent that you want to feel guilty about that? I'm not sure -- certainly you're not at fault for what color you were born.
But awareness is definitely preferable.
I suppose this is what comes of individual states not worrying about going to war with one another.
White guilt is the secret shame of throwing on yesterday's undies for a quick trip to the convenience store.
About half of them were black.
My last name is Scottish.
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This same thing is why I fell for those bogus "ear candles" all throughout high school.
this soup will be the best soup
I have never made soup before though
I stick to omelettes and curries
Oooh I like that one.
Or it could be the baker who secretly knows he bought mauves instead.
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well shit then I have white guilt right now
you're sure that isn't brown guilt though?
McDarkie isn't scottish Than.
Anyway, company just got a contract with a 44 million dollar plant whole saler.
Sweet deal.