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Murphy beds and their ilk
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I'm moving into a studio apartment, so space is at a premium. Has anyone lived/slept on a murphy bed or other wall-mounted bed before? I'm curious mostly as to the comfort of the mattress involved. A lot of them come with proprietary folding mattresses or whatever.
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My thinking was that no futon would have adequate spring/frame support to actually be a regular sleeping bed. If you have contrary evidence i'd love to hear about it.
My thinking was that no futon would have adequate spring/frame support to actually be a regular sleeping bed. If you have contrary evidence i'd love to hear about it.
Anecdotal only, I've seen futons that felt more comfortable than a cheap mattress. But it would depend on how much you wanted to put into it.
EDIT: The first dorm I lived in in college was a tiny room that housed two students with two murphy beds and from that experience I would recommend against the idea of this kind of set up. Keeping a murphy bed means that while you may have that floorspace, it is only temporary. So anything that you keep in the area where the bed swings out into will have to be mobile and pushed to the side at night. This sounds pretty inconsequential but it gets very very tiring quickly.
If you can swing it, a loft is a far better solution if place something under it that will normally be sat at anyway, table or desk is the usual answer. And if you build it into a corner the foot print can be very minimal.
I've done a wall mount, the wall stand was inset to the wall, so when it was up it looked like a wardrobe closet.
Pain in the ass though; the space where you would set the bed wasn't very useful, because you always had to move your shit to sleep. In the end, it just stayed down the whole time, looked pretty tacky and wasn't really big enough for two people. The 'loft' (is it me, or does it basically look like a bunk bed in which you always get tops?) seems way more practical to me- in which case you can pad it with whatever you'd like.
If you're near one, IKEA has some really nice sofa beds. They have some really shitty ones too, so pay attention.
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I'll give ikea sofa beds a shot. The lofted bed thing makes the most sense, the only problem is the likelihood of injury if more than one person is engaging in sexual activity in the bed. Improvolone- I was hoping some NYers would have insight into this issue. Any recs for discerning the bad from the good? Apartment therapy has proved nice for ideas and inspiration but not so much on good retail options.
If you make your bed your couch (like with a day bed) and have a date over and you guys decide to watch a movie or something, you know, whatever... she is already on your bed.
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If you make your bed your couch (like with a day bed) and have a date over and you guys decide to watch a movie or something, you know, whatever... she is already on your bed.
Loft beds are the best thing if space is at a premium, but a well made day bed or futon is way more comfortable than a Murphy bed. I would also check out ReadyMade magazine's space saving tips, they've had a lot of "small apartment" fixes that I thought were spectacular ideas.
I've always found sofa beds (hide-a-beds) to be extremely uncomfortable. the bar in the middle or folding point always seems to create an odd angle or raise, which is best uncomfortable and at worst sheer torture. Perhaps they've improved.
One of the best space saving beds I had was one of those sort of bench couches with one long cushion to sit on and another for the back. I had a small foam mattress of equal thickness and size I kept underneath it. When I needed a place for people to sleep over, I would just put them all on the floor together and cover them with a king-size pocketed sheet. The cushions, I mean, not the people. Well, mostly. Anyways, it made a fairly decent instant bed; and with a few pillows, throw pillows and blankets, a very nice slumber party area.
Worked very well for the space I had, quite a bit larger and squishier than a futon, and something about the way it turned the whole living room into a fun sort of play area had decent sex appeal. Good times, that. Used a variation of that theme for guests in small quarters for years.
How small is your studio? I lived in one that was about 600 square feet and just used my regular bed on one side of the room and used the couch to delineate where the living room started. It worked out really well and I was comfy every night on a real bed.
chaise lounges and their variations can be quite comfortable as well. I think that might be the thing you're describing, Sarcastro?
I should have been, those things are hawt. GIS informs me that what I'm describing pre-dated the futon considerably, and these sorts of fixed frame wooden couches all became futons after when mankind stopped riding around on t-rexes and started putting hinges on things. The cushion has followed along and is generally one big unit for ease of use. You could still probably have an add-on tucked away near by, but I'm not sure how that would work.
The fuck are chairs, Gammpa? how come you dinnit just use sittin'pants like normal people?
How high are the ceilings? What about doing a regular bed way up in the air and a desk/tv/shelves under it like you see in dorm rooms sometimes? Saves space and you don't have to sacrifice comfort.
I had a murphy bed for a while (never heard them called that, though). It just took an ordinary mattress.
As previously noted, though, unless you're a naturally organised person you probably won't bother actually folding the thing up most of the time. It's kind of a hassle unless you specifically need the space at that moment in time.
You should really consider how comfortable a lofted or Murphy bed will be.
If you have a job or go to class, there's a good chance that half (or more) of your time in your apartment will be spent in your bed; more if you like to watch TV, or use your computer from there. Given that, giving up comfort for a little extra space really doesn't seem worthwhile, especially since you won't really be using the space you gain anywhere near as much as you use a nice bed.
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You should really consider how comfortable a lofted or Murphy bed will be.
If you have a job or go to class, there's a good chance that half (or more) of your time in your apartment will be spent in your bed; more if you like to watch TV, or use your computer from there. Given that, giving up comfort for a little extra space really doesn't seem worthwhile, especially since you won't really be using the space you gain anywhere near as much as you use a nice bed.
I agree; the space I have to work with is about 160 square feet, and it needs to fit my bed (currently a full), a small workspace and leave enough space for my closet and exit doors, which open inward. I have a shared kitchen/eating area and bathroom but can't use either as office space. I am paying $600/mo for this in downtown LA.
By all accounts online these American Leather comfort sleepers are the best permanent sleeping options - i'll probably get one with a tempurpedic mattress.
It's a little pricey but my alternative housing options, for studios, albeit with more private space, are going to cost about $1500-1600 including utilities and parking, so I'm coming out ahead in about 4 months or so - i would have had to buy a couch anyway, so probably quicker.
I had a lofted bed through most of college, with my desk under it.
Word of warning: don't accidentally roll over in your sleep. Note that I speak from experience, and was amazed that I made it out not only alive, but relatively unscathed.
It's also possible that you don't need a bed at all. If you've got a pillow, a blanket, and a decent couch there's no reason that you can't just sleep on the couch in a studio apartment. I did for a couple weeks while I was moving and didn't have time to get everything put back together. Worked out pretty well. Pillow stayed on the couch and the blanket just got folded and draped over the back.
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It's also possible that you don't need a bed at all. If you've got a pillow, a blanket, and a decent couch there's no reason that you can't just sleep on the couch in a studio apartment. I did for a couple weeks while I was moving and didn't have time to get everything put back together. Worked out pretty well. Pillow stayed on the couch and the blanket just got folded and draped over the back.
How many times did you experience the touch of a woman? (or the gender/species of your choice)
It's also possible that you don't need a bed at all. If you've got a pillow, a blanket, and a decent couch there's no reason that you can't just sleep on the couch in a studio apartment. I did for a couple weeks while I was moving and didn't have time to get everything put back together. Worked out pretty well. Pillow stayed on the couch and the blanket just got folded and draped over the back.
How many times did you experience the touch of a woman? (or the gender/species of your choice)
That's a good point. I was engaged but my now-wife and I were living in separate states.
It's also possible that you don't need a bed at all. If you've got a pillow, a blanket, and a decent couch there's no reason that you can't just sleep on the couch in a studio apartment. I did for a couple weeks while I was moving and didn't have time to get everything put back together. Worked out pretty well. Pillow stayed on the couch and the blanket just got folded and draped over the back.
As I pointed out earlier, you're spending probably half of your time in your apartment on your bed; I really, really don't recommend skimping on it. It's one thing if it's just a week or two, but if you're going to be there for years? You're better off going without a couch and getting a nicer bed than you are doing the reverse.
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Anecdotal only, I've seen futons that felt more comfortable than a cheap mattress. But it would depend on how much you wanted to put into it.
Other than a futon you could easily loft a bed. This article shows a well done loft.
http://lifehacker.com/5636002/room-within-a-room-a-stylish-apartment-workspace
EDIT: The first dorm I lived in in college was a tiny room that housed two students with two murphy beds and from that experience I would recommend against the idea of this kind of set up. Keeping a murphy bed means that while you may have that floorspace, it is only temporary. So anything that you keep in the area where the bed swings out into will have to be mobile and pushed to the side at night. This sounds pretty inconsequential but it gets very very tiring quickly.
If you can swing it, a loft is a far better solution if place something under it that will normally be sat at anyway, table or desk is the usual answer. And if you build it into a corner the foot print can be very minimal.
Pain in the ass though; the space where you would set the bed wasn't very useful, because you always had to move your shit to sleep. In the end, it just stayed down the whole time, looked pretty tacky and wasn't really big enough for two people. The 'loft' (is it me, or does it basically look like a bunk bed in which you always get tops?) seems way more practical to me- in which case you can pad it with whatever you'd like.
Obviously something like this would be nicest: http://www.dwr.com/product/sliding-sofa.do?keyword=sofa+bed&sortby=ourPicks
but jesus, DWR is expensive.
This place seems like they have a lot of mattress options for futons if you're worried about comfort.
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It depends on the futon. I've slept on a futon for years now and I find it perfectly comfortable. If you like a firmer feel, it's great.
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One of the best space saving beds I had was one of those sort of bench couches with one long cushion to sit on and another for the back. I had a small foam mattress of equal thickness and size I kept underneath it. When I needed a place for people to sleep over, I would just put them all on the floor together and cover them with a king-size pocketed sheet. The cushions, I mean, not the people. Well, mostly. Anyways, it made a fairly decent instant bed; and with a few pillows, throw pillows and blankets, a very nice slumber party area.
Worked very well for the space I had, quite a bit larger and squishier than a futon, and something about the way it turned the whole living room into a fun sort of play area had decent sex appeal. Good times, that. Used a variation of that theme for guests in small quarters for years.
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I should have been, those things are hawt. GIS informs me that what I'm describing pre-dated the futon considerably, and these sorts of fixed frame wooden couches all became futons after when mankind stopped riding around on t-rexes and started putting hinges on things. The cushion has followed along and is generally one big unit for ease of use. You could still probably have an add-on tucked away near by, but I'm not sure how that would work.
The fuck are chairs, Gammpa? how come you dinnit just use sittin'pants like normal people?
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As previously noted, though, unless you're a naturally organised person you probably won't bother actually folding the thing up most of the time. It's kind of a hassle unless you specifically need the space at that moment in time.
If you have a job or go to class, there's a good chance that half (or more) of your time in your apartment will be spent in your bed; more if you like to watch TV, or use your computer from there. Given that, giving up comfort for a little extra space really doesn't seem worthwhile, especially since you won't really be using the space you gain anywhere near as much as you use a nice bed.
I agree; the space I have to work with is about 160 square feet, and it needs to fit my bed (currently a full), a small workspace and leave enough space for my closet and exit doors, which open inward. I have a shared kitchen/eating area and bathroom but can't use either as office space. I am paying $600/mo for this in downtown LA.
By all accounts online these American Leather comfort sleepers are the best permanent sleeping options - i'll probably get one with a tempurpedic mattress.
http://www.americanleather.com/Comfort-Sleeper/Comfort-Sleeper-Brochure.aspx
It's a little pricey but my alternative housing options, for studios, albeit with more private space, are going to cost about $1500-1600 including utilities and parking, so I'm coming out ahead in about 4 months or so - i would have had to buy a couch anyway, so probably quicker.
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Word of warning: don't accidentally roll over in your sleep. Note that I speak from experience, and was amazed that I made it out not only alive, but relatively unscathed.
How many times did you experience the touch of a woman? (or the gender/species of your choice)
That's a good point. I was engaged but my now-wife and I were living in separate states.