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Dickwolves Tee missing from store?
Xenocide
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Hey guys, I just got paid and I was going to buy a Dickwolves T-shirt, but I can't find it in the store anymore, I had it saved to favorites, but there's nothing there now, and when I went to look for it on the store page it isn't there either.
Did I mess something up or something? Are you out of stock? I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I couldn't search to find any older posts that would have had info on it...
Thanks for your response in advance.
Did I mess something up or something? Are you out of stock? I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but I couldn't search to find any older posts that would have had info on it...
Thanks for your response in advance.
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Some people.
He also drew a smiley face.
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A dearth of dickwolves
That's not something that's massively relevant to the purpose of this thread
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I emailed Gabe and Tycho about it and this was their responce:
Sad that a small group of people can make the guys that do jokes about pedophilia, rape, and fruit fucking bend to their will.
EDIT:
She is now selling her own dickwolf shirt apparently: http://kirbybits.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/here-is-a-shirt-dickwolves-survivors-guild/
I wonder how legal that is...
My understanding is that they received tens of thousands of complaints, and that several notable industry figures planned to withdraw from PAX if the shirts stayed up. I'm sure we'd all love to know the specifics, but I doubt we ever will. All I've got is rumor.
After time adrift among open stars
Among tides of light and to shoals of dust
I will return to where I began
I'm not super happy about it but it was the path of least resistance.
After time adrift among open stars
Among tides of light and to shoals of dust
I will return to where I began
It is a reasonably funny shirt, from a reasonably funny comic. Anyone with a modicum of sense will support you on the fact that the shirt is not making a joke out of rape, it is using rape as a way of portraying the suffering of NPCs in an MMO if they were real people, as well as the joke of 'MMO players do the bare minimum of work, rather than saving everyone'.
Don't bow to the demand of the few.
Gabe, I registered to this forum just to make this post. I don't know if that will lend me more credence or detract from my post, but I feel I should say that outright.
I have been a fan of Penny Arcade for years. You guys are one of the few webcomics I read on a regular basis, I find you consistently funny and clever. I also look upon your charitable work as something worth valuing even above volume of comedy you have produced for no charge.
On the matter of the dickwolves shirt though, I saw the comic and I thought it was funny. I was as surprised as you were at the apparent negative reaction of some people to it. As a comic that regularly jokes about murder, physical assault and sex with fruit, it just seemed like a odd sticking point. My only conclusion was that someone decided to stir up some unneeded drama about a funny 3 panel strip of a wolf person and a slave talking about dick wolves.
Like you I think I put this incident behind me month ago, but now with the removal of the dickwolves shirt, I don't find that as easy to do. I hate when people go out of their way to try and ruin other people's fun. That is very clearly what is happening here. I feel it is a violation not only of the principles of comedy, but also of people just trying to have a good time.
I would like to purchase a dickwolves shirt, not only because I find it funny, but because I feel it is a principled thing to do. I hope you decide to put that shirt back up for sale, if only because it would send a message that you can't bully comedy.
It was far from the path of least resistance since it only shows that you guys are willing to bend to pressure. This opens up groups or people to start harassing you whenever they don't like something on the site or store. You're showing these people that all they have to do is email you every day until they get their way. I happen to know two small groups of people on the internet that are very annoyed that the shirt was removed and they have started to email you, as I'm sure you are aware. They saw that all it took was constant pressure and so they intend to apply the same strategy to get the shirt back. In the future I hope you just ignore small groups like this since it's clear listening to them will hardly stop the problem, it will just create new ones.
Wouldn't the least resistance have been to ignore them as they hold nothing over you? I was so disappointed with this reaction, especially after your public address comic responding to the dickwolves backlash. I was actually really keen to buy a Dickwolves shirt before this whole debaucle, but now I want to purchase one more than ever because it sends a message. A message that censorship isn't acceptable on any level. I can't see why you would fold on something like this, you guys always touch on sensitive topics, while still remaining jovially uncallous. Bring back the Dickwolves T-Shirts.
Deleting the shirt shows that you're willing to cave to pressure. How long will it be before you start removing strips for "being too offensive"? I thought your whole schtick was that while erudite and intelligent, the jokes were also somewhat offensive? The overwhelmingly negative reaction to Ms. Stanton's blog post about the shirt seems to confirm that more people wanted it to stay than wanted it removed.
grow some balls and put the shirt back up.
If we wanted to, say, make our own Dickwolves shirts to wear at PAX, would that be allowed?
Regardless, censorship sucks, especially when it's something as silly as the concept of a dickwolf. Also, I really wanted to get a dickwolves shirt. So, yeah.
lol when I saw that I thought it was a RESPONSE to that idiot.
I still don't get why she believes culture supports rape...
I could care less about the shirt. Its the pennant I care about. I wanted the pennant so bad. All she ever mentions is the shirt. Bring the pennant back. The only time anyone will ever see it is if they come into the person's house, and for some reason, I doubt the people that would buy it would welcome the people who are so obviously, yet stupidly, offended by the shirt. It is a weird shirt to wear around, for sure. The pennant would be far, far less offensive, because it is in your house. I thought the comic was great, and I've just been waiting until I had some extra cash to buy the pennant, and lo I find out that it has been pulled. Kinda sucks.
I just wanted to offer my 2 bits, but no one has brought up the net cast over the pennants as well.
That's it.
PS: That's it, really. I'm not going to say anything that hasn't been repeated twice or thrice (i know this is not an actual word, but it's handy), but I was not going to be quiet about it.
PS2: And why do i ask you WHY in 3 languages ? Because your explanation can't possibly be right. Or, if the worst of the multiple everchanging destinies just happened, you've dissapointed.
PS3: Not only me, not only some other readers who may agree with me, not only 88,1337% of the whole internet.
You've dissappointed yourselves, and you know it.
Ps4: by that i mean some ATW bitched (can i say b*tch in this forum?), and you just gave her credit.
You took her seriously (and her groupies), and you just decided to run with your tail between your legs, and go all "ok ok, don't sue us" (scene dramatized, ok, i admit it).
Or, talking seriously, I think you dissapointed the spirit of your strips.
Of penny-arcade itself.
Not that your strip encourages raping, or does absurd jokes on that topic. There are other webcomics that do that, and guess what? They keep doing it. I'd name some, but it's not the time or place.
Where's all that smart criticism to society and the world of videogames?
Where are those news entries that I loved to read, where you noticed a delightful mix of connesseiur-ism and ... how to explain it? humility?
Where's that edge on your strips, that made me smile every single time?
They are gone. They packed his things, and took the midnight train going nowhere.
(if you started singing Journey, kudos to you)
Because, to sum it up, you gave up too easily.
And now every single internet ATW that founds something offensive will spam you for days with some of their gang till you bend over and say thanks.
I know this probably won't beat any sense into you. You must be pretty immune to some anonymous guy complaining. I understand you. I have a blog, with some usual trolls, and I've been in the series of tubes for long enough to not hardly take some john doe complain seriously.
And that saddens me even more. If i was a girl, and ATW'd, I'd still get more of you.
PS9: The only thing that'd solve this would be to :
- restock dickwolfs
- made a strip of a dickwolf eating a phoenix
- release a t-shirt of a dickwolf eating a phoenix.
- And write some cool "wall of text" news entry to apologise, i guess.
PS10: Heu caigut molt baix, al meu parer. Mai sabreu que us tenia en un pedestal, i que ara la magia , l'encantament, se n'ha anat. Sé que hauria d'escriure això en anglès i així ho entendríeu, però tinc poques esperances d'aconseguir-ho, i de que servís per alguna cosa.
PS11: don't mind PS10. Really, don't. Just wrote my 2 cents on my mother tongue. That's what I really think, and if you havent' noticed my Engrish, not native speaker.
PS12: In the event of this being a marketing stunt (trying to cover all bases), replace "dissapoint" with "bigger-than-the-universe dissapoint".
I thought you guys never bowed down to anybody!
Are you kidding??
BRING BACK THE SHIRT!
Go look for the Strawberry Shortcake comic in the archives.
I was very moved by the above suggestion and so felt compelled to register and post in these forums.
Indeed, I am working to design such a t-shirt along with several others:
(1) A counter-T-shirt depicting a Phoenix bursting alien-style from the belly of a Dickwolf
(2) A counter-counter-T-shirt with a Dickwolf defeating a Phoenix at ping-pong.
and
(3) A t-shirt of reconciliation marked with the image of the proverbial Dicklion having an ice-cool beverage with a Phoenix-Lamb hybrid.
I would post these designs here, but I am most concerned about a t-shirt related arms race we can ill-afford during these uncertain economic times.
I look forward to your correspondence - A Fan.
I created this account a while ago (just before last PAX East) and while I'm not a regular commenter, I always felt like PA was a part of my global gamer community. I am lucky to have daily access to a number of awesome, talented game enthusiasts, game developers, and game researchers - many of whom read PA daily. I like your jokes, I like your sense of humor. Fruit fucker and DivX - funny. Dickwolves? Well, up until recently I watched a ton of Law & Order SUV and other Dick Wolf productions. Campy stuff, to be sure, so yeah, I laughed at the Dickwolves bit.
But then I started to reflect on what I'm seeing on my TV, my twitter feed, and the websites I frequent regularly: fear that is used for entertainment value, a heated political climate where you're either with us or against us, the protests in Egypt & Tunisia and their and my governments' actions, ... I'm feeling ill just thinking about all of the hate, vitriol, and venom I'm exposed to on a daily basis. I don't have anything particularly traumatic in my past, no more than most people I imagine, but yeah - I think I can empathize with someone who has trigger moments. I can also empathize with you, Mike, who is just trying to make people happy drawing funny shit for people to laugh at.
I'm going to be at PAX East, representing the organization I work for. I'll be on the expo floor for a couple hours a day, on my feet and explaining to your fans what my organization does. I'm not looking forward to PAX East. Especially now that some of your fanbase seems ready to declare this their 'Don't Tread On Me' slogan. That statement had a meaning I could stand behind. 'Dickwolves'? It's just a throwaway line that's been packed full of meaning by everyone's actions - a hateful, prideful, and hurtful banner some of your fans to rally behind, and for some to be embarrassed by.
I hope your community conducts themselves better in real life than they have been online. Yep, 'your community'. I'm not one of you anymore. It's no loss to you, Mike, or anyone else on this forum - I wasn't a very good contributor. I think I bought one of your t-shirts once, and a Cardboard Tube Samurai print as a gift for a friend. But I use an adblocker when I read your comic. So who cares, right? I'm what you call a 'bad user'. I don't subscribe to your views, I don't tell my friends to buy your stuff. I'm going to be the only one that feels the loss.
Sorry this was so long - I'm exhausted running a Global Game Jam site. There's a few people I work with, some local independent developers and some um, non-independent developers. There's a ton of students. And then there's a few random people I've never met before who've got nothing on their resume but a few skills and a love for games. I don't agree with these people all the time, I've got my ideas about games and what they should be, and they've got their's, but we're respectful of each other. I say some crude stuff, and when someone is offended, I apologize. When they offend me, I either get over it if it's major, or I tell them to lay off. And they apologize. It's all rather adult and boring. But we make some really cool shit, have fun, and I don't feel sick when I talk to them. That's my community.
Thanks for the laughs these years, and good luck with PAX East. I hope it's as awesome as last year.
It's also pretty clear that those against the shirt aren't fans. If they were fans they would know there are dozens of way more offensive things in their comics to throw a fit about.
After time adrift among open stars
Among tides of light and to shoals of dust
I will return to where I began
I'm one of the people who's very uncomfortable about the idea of this shirt, but I'm also one of the ones you guys are talking about when you say 'don't buy it, then'. I didn't. That's about the extent of my discomfort.
@gamefacts - Totally and utterly true gaming facts on the regular!
These people are basically doing this whole stunt to draw attention to themselves to fill whatever holes they have in their life, and using you to do so. Nothing they say will ever make your comic one with a pro-rape agenda, nor your t-shirt, so why bother caving in to their demands? Just filter their emails and let them rot.
This is very well put.
Shall I refer to the guy comparing me to the KKK as a silly goose then? ;-)