Need help finding a new ISP.

naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
edited February 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
After years of frequent disconnects, broken promises, and less than helpful tech support leading to entire weekends sans Internet, I've decided to search for a better internet solution again. I'm prioritizing reliability; speed isn't too big a deal so long as it exceeds DSL speeds, and price isn't that large an object so long as it maintains the first two.

I say again, because past attempts at this have shown that there doesn't seem to be an easy answer. I'm not interested in DSL, but that's all I've been able to get from the major providers i've searched through in my area. Verizon doesn't seem interested in deploying FiOS here, AT&T seems content with making UVerse available to every street in the neighborhood except mine, and I've heard nothing but bad things from my neighbors about Time Warner's net service around here.

Anyone have any ideas/advice? Tried googling it, but the results for broadband in Ventura, SoCal haven't really given me a lot of useful information. Tried asking around, but everyone who's content with their service is using a service that doesn't quite reach me (and doesn't seem to be making any effort to reach me, either). I don't mind being patient, but I do mind being offline for weekends at a time.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I really, really hate to say it, but Comcast's internet has been nothing but good to me.

    They're a horribly evil company, but I still use them.

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  • naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Address not serviceable.

    .facedesk

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Your reliability issues will almost always center around the "last-mile" provider (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, ILEC). In other words, since you currently have DSL even if you switch to another Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) - another DSL ISP - they will still be using the same ILEC to deliver your service. Your best bet for better service is to switch to cable since the last-mile infrastructure is different. Otherwise, you have to shop for a DSL provider that doesn't outsource tech support to get better phone service; but, they won't be able to fix last-mile issues faster. Last mile issues go to the ILEC for repair. They are separate corporate entities working together to get you service. Good luck on either front.

    PS. UVerse isn't anything special. It's still DSL to your house; however, the location your neighborhoods DSL connections aggregate at is serviced by fiber connectivity. In other words, if you don't get your "promised" DSL speeds UVerse might make that happen. It won't make the last mile more reliable since it is still copper transport. It's a marketing ploy to try and counter the superior Verizon FiOS system.

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  • naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Krikee wrote: »
    Your reliability issues will almost always center around the "last-mile" provider (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, ILEC). In other words, since you currently have DSL even if you switch to another Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) - another DSL ISP - they will still be using the same ILEC to deliver your service. Your best bet for better service is to switch to cable since the last-mile infrastructure is different. Otherwise, you have to shop for a DSL provider that doesn't outsource tech support to get better phone service; but, they won't be able to fix last-mile issues faster. Last mile issues go to the ILEC for repair. They are separate corporate entities working together to get you service. Good luck on either front.

    PS. UVerse isn't anything special. It's still DSL to your house; however, the location your neighborhoods DSL connections aggregate at is serviced by fiber connectivity. In other words, if you don't get your "promised" DSL speeds UVerse might make that happen. It won't make the last mile more reliable since it is still copper transport. It's a marketing ploy to try and counter the superior Verizon FiOS system.

    Yeh, I figured. Verizon's not really making efforts to move into the area right now though, so I'm stuck with inferior solutions.

    I suppose that brings me back to Time Warner again, then. Dunno, maybe since the rest of the neighborhood's been taken by AT&T, Cable's become a better option. I'll check with a friend of mine who's still using it.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Krikee wrote: »
    Your reliability issues will almost always center around the "last-mile" provider (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, ILEC). In other words, since you currently have DSL even if you switch to another Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) - another DSL ISP - they will still be using the same ILEC to deliver your service. Your best bet for better service is to switch to cable since the last-mile infrastructure is different. Otherwise, you have to shop for a DSL provider that doesn't outsource tech support to get better phone service; but, they won't be able to fix last-mile issues faster. Last mile issues go to the ILEC for repair. They are separate corporate entities working together to get you service. Good luck on either front.

    PS. UVerse isn't anything special. It's still DSL to your house; however, the location your neighborhoods DSL connections aggregate at is serviced by fiber connectivity. In other words, if you don't get your "promised" DSL speeds UVerse might make that happen. It won't make the last mile more reliable since it is still copper transport. It's a marketing ploy to try and counter the superior Verizon FiOS system.

    Uverse runs fiber to the node. There's only a few dozen feet of copper in the mix.

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  • KrikeeKrikee Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Krikee wrote: »
    Your reliability issues will almost always center around the "last-mile" provider (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, ILEC). In other words, since you currently have DSL even if you switch to another Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) - another DSL ISP - they will still be using the same ILEC to deliver your service. Your best bet for better service is to switch to cable since the last-mile infrastructure is different. Otherwise, you have to shop for a DSL provider that doesn't outsource tech support to get better phone service; but, they won't be able to fix last-mile issues faster. Last mile issues go to the ILEC for repair. They are separate corporate entities working together to get you service. Good luck on either front.

    PS. UVerse isn't anything special. It's still DSL to your house; however, the location your neighborhoods DSL connections aggregate at is serviced by fiber connectivity. In other words, if you don't get your "promised" DSL speeds UVerse might make that happen. It won't make the last mile more reliable since it is still copper transport. It's a marketing ploy to try and counter the superior Verizon FiOS system.

    Uverse runs fiber to the node. There's only a few dozen feet of copper in the mix.
    Dozen feet? I thought it was fiber to the last CO? Or is node not synonymous with CO? If it's fiber to the building (few dozen feet) then layer 1 choice be damned. UVerse is as good as FiOS.

    Naengwen, I feel your pain on ISP selection. Last time I moved it was a pain to be able to find a FiOS serviced location. They are few and far between and I live in the area where the roll out started!

    EDIT: Just looked up FTTN, the "Node," is an aggregation point between the CO and premise that covers access within a 1 mile radius. That's better than I thought because the highest speed DSL connections can run over such short loops.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Krikee wrote: »
    Krikee wrote: »
    Your reliability issues will almost always center around the "last-mile" provider (Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier, ILEC). In other words, since you currently have DSL even if you switch to another Competitive Local Exchange Carrier (CLEC) - another DSL ISP - they will still be using the same ILEC to deliver your service. Your best bet for better service is to switch to cable since the last-mile infrastructure is different. Otherwise, you have to shop for a DSL provider that doesn't outsource tech support to get better phone service; but, they won't be able to fix last-mile issues faster. Last mile issues go to the ILEC for repair. They are separate corporate entities working together to get you service. Good luck on either front.

    PS. UVerse isn't anything special. It's still DSL to your house; however, the location your neighborhoods DSL connections aggregate at is serviced by fiber connectivity. In other words, if you don't get your "promised" DSL speeds UVerse might make that happen. It won't make the last mile more reliable since it is still copper transport. It's a marketing ploy to try and counter the superior Verizon FiOS system.

    Uverse runs fiber to the node. There's only a few dozen feet of copper in the mix.
    Dozen feet? I thought it was fiber to the last CO? Or is node not synonymous with CO? If it's fiber to the building (few dozen feet) then layer 1 choice be damned. UVerse is as good as FiOS.

    Naengwen, I feel your pain on ISP selection. Last time I moved it was a pain to be able to find a FiOS serviced location. They are few and far between and I live in the area where the roll out started!

    EDIT: Just looked up FTTN, the "Node," is an aggregation point between the CO and premise that covers access within a 1 mile radius. That's better than I thought because the highest speed DSL connections can run over such short loops.

    Well, I've got Uverse and the fiber lines are on the telephone poles, with a box every few houses (one happens to be directly behind my house), and then its cat5 from there to the house.

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  • naengwennaengwen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Aye, fiber to the node is pretty nifty; has it's flaws, though. FiOS infrastructure is more future-proof, that's for certain.

    Still, no telling when it's gonna arrive. AT&T is already here, except for my street. No idea if they'll ever get here, either; been like this for over half a year now. Kinda sucked to see the AT&T advertisers rave about it, only to say "oh sorry, nevermind" and start up again round the curb. :x

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    My understanding is that Verizon and AT&T have this unwritten truce that Uverse and FiOS wont compete. So if Uverse is that close, I don't think you're going to see FiOS any time soon.

    I hate to admit it, but if you can get Comcast, they'd at least be a mighty crapload better than dsl.

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  • TheClapTheClap Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I have Time Warner in San Diego and its not bad. I'd like something faster, but apparently Verizon isn't bringing Fios to my area (I seem to remember that they've stopped rolling out fios since it hasn't proven to be profitable or something).

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  • StrifeRaZoRStrifeRaZoR Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I did technical support for U-Verse for over a year. It's FTTN in 90% of the areas and FTTP (Fiber To The Premises) in the other 10%. You do not have FTTN if you have Cat5 running from the outside into your home. That is FTTP. You have an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) either locked up in your home, or somewhere very close outside (Probably that box you mentioned. That's an XBOX, or CrossBox). The "last mile" with U-Verse is always RJ-11 copper wiring unless you have Cat5, like MushroomStick, then it is considered Fiber To the Prem.

    If U-Verse is available all around you, but not to your home specifically, it can be fixed. The reason it isn't available to you is due to two things:

    1. The copper wiring that you are currently using is very outdated (probably from around the 1960's or 70's) and AT&T did not want to replace it.

    2. You're in a new neighborhood that has not been attached to the local DSLAM (Digital Subscriber Line Access Multiplexer, or, as referred to in the above posts, the CO...although that isn't the CO).

    I've had multiple people contact Tier1 support with this exact same problem. With enough complaints, it can be pushed up to where I was (Tier2) and can actually be fixed. An INR technician will be required to finish the actual connection to the DSLAM. It's a pain in the ass to get them to send someone out to do this, so your only hope is to bug the crap out of them. Also, keep in mind, that U-Verse is very prone to EMI. I highly doubt AT&T will do anything other than connect your home to the node...that's about it. Your wiring outside the home that is currently being used by your DSL service will go unchanged. AT&T won't touch it. You can contact a local phone company, not an ISP, to have them replace the lines. Or you can try an outside contractor, which is not a good idea in most states.

    Edit: I almost forgot. For those of you that DO have U-Verse, here's a quick tip. I'm not trying to derail the thread here, but this is some nifty stuff. If you have the TV service with Uverse, you can do this little trick to get INSANE speeds with your internet. The ethernet port on the back of those set-top-boxes for your TV doubles as a hub. If you run coax from your gateway to your set-top-box, then ethernet from the set-top-box to a computer, the results are pretty crazy. U-Verse operates on three tiers of service. Tier 1 is HPNA (or the TV service), Tier 2 is Ethernet, and Tier 3 is the VOIP, with Tier 1 getting over 75% of the service's throughput. If you use the box-to-pc method above, none of the TVs in your home will get service, and the internet will die out for anyone other than the computer connected this way. Although you will be registered at 32MBPS...unfiltered...as the RG will think your computer is a TV Set-top-box.

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