Spectres are not supposed to be honorable people, despite Council PR. They are state-sanctioned psychopaths.
Exactly.
With the amount of people i've killed (and i'm a paragon Shepard, so god only knows how many got capped by a renegade Shepard) if i wasn't a Spectre i'd be in court for the rest of my life as every case i've worked on is investigated.
The Spectre division is the council saying "sometimes shit gets real. Bad Boys II real. And when that happens the rules need to take a back seat"
Spectres are not supposed to be honorable people, despite Council PR. They are state-sanctioned psychopaths.
Exactly.
With the amount of people i've killed (and i'm a paragon Shepard, so god only knows how many got capped by a renegade Shepard) if i wasn't a Spectre i'd be in court for the rest of my life as every case i've worked on is investigated.
The Spectre division is the council saying "sometimes shit gets real. Bad Boys II real. And when that happens the rules need to take a back seat"
Basically like every special forces division in the world.
Except the concept of a secret police that have absolutely no jurisdiction over them is an absolutely terrible idea and should be completely unacceptable to anyone living under the rule of the Council.
Let us not forget that Saren was considered a model spectre. Even the best example of a "good guy" spectre is Nihilus, and that's because we only know of one incident when he endangered innocent lives to save his own ass and he hasn't committed any mass killings that we at least are aware of.
Spectres are not supposed to be honorable people, despite Council PR. They are state-sanctioned psychopaths.
Exactly.
With the amount of people i've killed (and i'm a paragon Shepard, so god only knows how many got capped by a renegade Shepard) if i wasn't a Spectre i'd be in court for the rest of my life as every case i've worked on is investigated.
The Spectre division is the council saying "sometimes shit gets real. Bad Boys II real. And when that happens the rules need to take a back seat"
Basically like every special forces division in the world.
Yeah, Except if you're on the swat team you aren't allowed to punch reporters in the face.
... or can you?
Except the concept of a secret police that have absolutely no jurisdiction over them is an absolutely terrible idea and should be completely unacceptable to anyone living under the rule of the Council.
Let us not forget that Saren was considered a model spectre. Even the best example of a "good guy" spectre is Nihilus, and that's because we only know of one incident when he endangered innocent lives to save his own ass and he hasn't committed any mass killings that we at least are aware of.
There is a universal unspoken agreement that if a Spectre has been called in, there is a threat that needs to be neutralised. And its bad enough that the usual rules do not apply.
This is why a lot of people in C-SEC do not like Spectres.
Can't blame them, i tend to leave a lot of bodies when i "resolve" a situation. But in my defence i do try to take the path of least resistance and just talk it out. But everyone else just wants to go straight to the shooting.
There is a universal unspoken agreement that if a Spectre has been called in, there is a threat that needs to be neutralised. And its bad enough that the usual rules do not apply.
Alternatively, it's just a threat that the Council doesn't want to get its hands dirty dealing with directly or that would prove politically unfortunate for them.'
Yes, when the Galaxy is at stake, the rules can be bent or broken to some degree, but the Spectres were never formed to save the galaxy from eldritch robot abominations from beyond the stars, they were formed as a tool of the Council to keep political stability and by extension promote the status quo with the Council on top.
There is a universal unspoken agreement that if a Spectre has been called in, there is a threat that needs to be neutralised. And its bad enough that the usual rules do not apply.
Alternatively, it's just a threat that the Council doesn't want to get its hands dirty dealing with directly or that would prove politically unfortunate for them.'
Yes, when the Galaxy is at stake, the rules can be bent or broken to some degree, but the Spectres were never formed to save the galaxy from eldritch robot abominations from beyond the stars, they were formed as a tool of the Council to keep political stability and by extension promote the status quo with the Council on top.
Well they were actually formed because the Council was getting iffy about the Krogan expansion.
In addition to the above statements; I'm not surprised that a license to do anything you want would corrupt people.
Spectre's don't retire, they're assassinated?
Every Spectre we have seen get killed has always been killed by another Spectre.
It's a vicious circle.
Only the very best are even allowed to be assessed for suitability to become spectres. So if a fully trained spectre goes rogue, only another spectre is good enough to take them down.
In addition to the above statements; I'm not surprised that a license to do anything you want would corrupt people.
Spectre's don't retire, they're assassinated?
Every Spectre we have seen get killed has always been killed by another Spectre.
It's a vicious circle.
Only the very best are even allowed to be assessed for suitability to become spectres. So if a fully trained spectre goes rogue, only another spectre is good enough to take them down.
That, and the rest of them are smart enough to stay away from Shepard. This is how they're survived. I'd be surprised if we didn't meet another spectre in ME3. Gondor Calls for Aid could easily involve some trip into hostile territory to find a Spectre who's working deep and doesn't know what's going on, or may have found our Reaper Killer Device.
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In addition to the above statements; I'm not surprised that a license to do anything you want would corrupt people.
Spectre's don't retire, they're assassinated?
Every Spectre we have seen get killed has always been killed by another Spectre.
It's a vicious circle.
Only the very best are even allowed to be assessed for suitability to become spectres. So if a fully trained spectre goes rogue, only another spectre is good enough to take them down.
That, and the rest of them are smart enough to stay away from Shepard. This is how they're survived. I'd be surprised if we didn't meet another spectre in ME3. Gondor Calls for Aid could easily involve some trip into hostile territory to find a Spectre who's working deep and doesn't know what's going on, or may have found our Reaper Killer Device.
Except the concept of a secret police that have absolutely no jurisdiction over them is an absolutely terrible idea and should be completely unacceptable to anyone living under the rule of the Council.
Let us not forget that Saren was considered a model spectre. Even the best example of a "good guy" spectre is Nihilus, and that's because we only know of one incident when he endangered innocent lives to save his own ass and he hasn't committed any mass killings that we at least are aware of.
Except the concept of a secret police that have absolutely no jurisdiction over them is an absolutely terrible idea and should be completely unacceptable to anyone living under the rule of the Council.
Let us not forget that Saren was considered a model spectre. Even the best example of a "good guy" spectre is Nihilus, and that's because we only know of one incident when he endangered innocent lives to save his own ass and he hasn't committed any mass killings that we at least are aware of.
That just means he did it right.
Exactly.
That sort of efficiency is why Shepard remembers him fondly, despite his dying like a bitch.
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So I started to play Mass Effect 2 and I have to say
This mother fucking game is awesome.
They really improve on the first one.
But, how come people are so fucking badass in this game? In Mass Effect 1, we were cool but average.
In Mass Effect 2 I have people running up walls and jumping on gunships and blasting the pilot in the face while backflipping off the exploding gunship like she's Bayonetta or something.
I mean, fuck, what's the point of have Spectres when you have people like that in the Galaxy?
Also, how the hell am I suppose to get Paragon points? It seems like everything I do is '+900 Renegade'. I told Miranda that she's not just a sexy piece of meat and I get +5 renegade points? Seriously? All I want to do is get rid of these silly facial scars without draining the galaxy of iridium.
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But, how come people are so fucking badass in this game? In Mass Effect 1, we were cool but average.
In Mass Effect 2 I have people running up walls and jumping on gunships and blasting the pilot in the face while backflipping off the exploding gunship like she's Bayonetta or something.
It's hard to look badass when you spend the whole game square dancing around cover, twitching, and shooting at walls rather than the actual enemy.
ME2 corrects most of this.
Kasumi is like Bayonetta in that scene, except, you know, not naked sans hair. And with fewer crotch shots. And fewer guns. And not so much a whore.
I think that the ME1 team was rather ragtag. ME2 team was all picked as people who would be the best of the best across the universe. ME1 has wrex who was kind of a no one, boring ass Kaiden, Liara, Garrus and Tallie who became increasingly badass over the experiences over the next couple of years, and kind of a meh human girl.
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I think that the ME1 team was rather ragtag. ME2 team was all picked as people who would be the best of the best across the universe. ME1 has Wrex who was kind of a no one, boring ass Kaiden, Liara, Garrus and Tali who became increasingly badass over the experiences over the next couple of years, and kind of a meh human girl.
Yeah.
At best your teammates in ME1 had potential.
Garrus was a Spectre candidate.
Wrex made a go at leadership, but it went bad.
The rest didn't even have that much.
Of course, come ME2 that all changed. Special ops, freelance work, leadership...
Your old team definitely made something of itself. In Alenko's case, that was "a pile of radioactive dust", but still. Big step up.
Garrus was not a spectre candidate. He was one of thousands of soldiers considered for possible spectre training. Not even an actual evaluation. And he wasn't chosen.
Wrex is a biotic battlemaster.
Tali is a technical prodigy from the species that created your enemies.
I don't know how he was incompetent when his job was to try and dig up information on a guy he didn't have security clearance to investigate.
Wasn't too hard for Shepard, and she didn't have to nearly kill a hostage. And he was certainly willing to let Michel die, after how he talked about Dr. Heart.
I don't know how he was incompetent when his job was to try and dig up information on a guy he didn't have security clearance to investigate.
Wasn't too hard for Shepard, and she didn't have to nearly kill a hostage. And he was certainly willing to let Michel die, after how he talked about Dr. Heart.
Garrus and Shepard got to that doctor at the same time, so if Shepard hadn't been around then Garrus would have got Tali's info at roughly the same time, presumably, unless he fucked up with Fist.
Edit: By "that doctor" I mean that one human doctor in the wards, not Heart
Except that Garrus wasn't a quarian and didn't have access to Geth memory cores. And was taken off the case before Tali even showed up.
He should have gone to Barla Von like Shepard. He's already willing to work outside of the book, except he's more worried about the opportunity to kill dudes than actually doing his job.
You can get to Tali without ever going to Dr. Michel, and then Garrus does not meet Tali unless you recruit him because he probably screwed up his mission like all the other ones.
Yes and Garrus is totally in the Shadow Broker's good books and able to get information for free.
Also, Popesnax makes an excellent point: Garrus was already at Michel's when Shepard arrived.
EDIT: I'm almost certain that Barla Von stated that Shepard was a special case, otherwise the information would cost a small fortune.
EDIT EDIT: How in the hell do you even learn about Tali without going to Dr. Michel? She's the one who tells you "There's a quarian who knows something!"
Do you just randomly stumble upon Tali dealing with the mercs or something?
Shepard had no prior relations to the Shadow Broker. Barla Von gave her information just because Saren pissed SB off. Garrus also wants to take down Saren and could probably get that information too.
You can just go straight to Barla Von and skip Dr. Michel. He will lead you to Wrex, who will lead you to Fist. I do this on most ME1 playthroughs to save time. Garrus later asks to join your team before you leave the Citadel, and you can refuse him.
Seriously, that's like, Garrus' thing. He isn't Shepard, though he's still pretty good at what he does.
See: The entire Omega thing. The only reason it fell apart is because someone wasn't as awesome as Shepard, and surprise surprise broke under super extreme conditions.
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Exactly.
With the amount of people i've killed (and i'm a paragon Shepard, so god only knows how many got capped by a renegade Shepard) if i wasn't a Spectre i'd be in court for the rest of my life as every case i've worked on is investigated.
The Spectre division is the council saying "sometimes shit gets real. Bad Boys II real. And when that happens the rules need to take a back seat"
Basically like every special forces division in the world.
Let us not forget that Saren was considered a model spectre. Even the best example of a "good guy" spectre is Nihilus, and that's because we only know of one incident when he endangered innocent lives to save his own ass and he hasn't committed any mass killings that we at least are aware of.
Yeah, Except if you're on the swat team you aren't allowed to punch reporters in the face.
... or can you?
There is a universal unspoken agreement that if a Spectre has been called in, there is a threat that needs to be neutralised. And its bad enough that the usual rules do not apply.
This is why a lot of people in C-SEC do not like Spectres.
Can't blame them, i tend to leave a lot of bodies when i "resolve" a situation. But in my defence i do try to take the path of least resistance and just talk it out. But everyone else just wants to go straight to the shooting.
Alternatively, it's just a threat that the Council doesn't want to get its hands dirty dealing with directly or that would prove politically unfortunate for them.'
Yes, when the Galaxy is at stake, the rules can be bent or broken to some degree, but the Spectres were never formed to save the galaxy from eldritch robot abominations from beyond the stars, they were formed as a tool of the Council to keep political stability and by extension promote the status quo with the Council on top.
Well they were actually formed because the Council was getting iffy about the Krogan expansion.
And Krogan are scary.
Spectre's don't retire, they're assassinated?
Every Spectre we have seen get killed has always been killed by another Spectre.
It's a vicious circle.
Only the very best are even allowed to be assessed for suitability to become spectres. So if a fully trained spectre goes rogue, only another spectre is good enough to take them down.
That, and the rest of them are smart enough to stay away from Shepard. This is how they're survived. I'd be surprised if we didn't meet another spectre in ME3. Gondor Calls for Aid could easily involve some trip into hostile territory to find a Spectre who's working deep and doesn't know what's going on, or may have found our Reaper Killer Device.
Probably.
I mean, Samara can want Shepard dead as well without any actual murdering of innocent parties.
(Grateful for the heads up on hostage taking, Samara. Otherwise I might assume other people operate like Shepard.)
Why I fear the ocean.
All this talk reminds me of this.
That just means he did it right.
Exactly.
That sort of efficiency is why Shepard remembers him fondly, despite his dying like a bitch.
Why I fear the ocean.
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This mother fucking game is awesome.
They really improve on the first one.
But, how come people are so fucking badass in this game? In Mass Effect 1, we were cool but average.
In Mass Effect 2 I have people running up walls and jumping on gunships and blasting the pilot in the face while backflipping off the exploding gunship like she's Bayonetta or something.
I mean, fuck, what's the point of have Spectres when you have people like that in the Galaxy?
Also, how the hell am I suppose to get Paragon points? It seems like everything I do is '+900 Renegade'. I told Miranda that she's not just a sexy piece of meat and I get +5 renegade points? Seriously? All I want to do is get rid of these silly facial scars without draining the galaxy of iridium.
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Basically, as has already been said, the Spectres send Spectres after their own when they go rogue.
It's hard to look badass when you spend the whole game square dancing around cover, twitching, and shooting at walls rather than the actual enemy.
ME2 corrects most of this.
Kasumi is like Bayonetta in that scene, except, you know, not naked sans hair. And with fewer crotch shots. And fewer guns. And not so much a whore.
Not very Die Hard, really.
Lot more Live Free or Die Hard.
Also worth noting your ME2 team starts a lot higher on the badass scale than the ME1 team.
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Yeah.
At best your teammates in ME1 had potential.
Garrus was a Spectre candidate.
Wrex made a go at leadership, but it went bad.
The rest didn't even have that much.
Of course, come ME2 that all changed. Special ops, freelance work, leadership...
Your old team definitely made something of itself. In Alenko's case, that was "a pile of radioactive dust", but still. Big step up.
Why I fear the ocean.
Wrex is a biotic battlemaster.
Tali is a technical prodigy from the species that created your enemies.
Liara is a prothean expert.
But Garrus is just an incompetent cop.
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Wasn't too hard for Shepard, and she didn't have to nearly kill a hostage. And he was certainly willing to let Michel die, after how he talked about Dr. Heart.
Garrus and Shepard got to that doctor at the same time, so if Shepard hadn't been around then Garrus would have got Tali's info at roughly the same time, presumably, unless he fucked up with Fist.
Edit: By "that doctor" I mean that one human doctor in the wards, not Heart
He should have gone to Barla Von like Shepard. He's already willing to work outside of the book, except he's more worried about the opportunity to kill dudes than actually doing his job.
You can get to Tali without ever going to Dr. Michel, and then Garrus does not meet Tali unless you recruit him because he probably screwed up his mission like all the other ones.
Also, Popesnax makes an excellent point: Garrus was already at Michel's when Shepard arrived.
EDIT: I'm almost certain that Barla Von stated that Shepard was a special case, otherwise the information would cost a small fortune.
EDIT EDIT: How in the hell do you even learn about Tali without going to Dr. Michel? She's the one who tells you "There's a quarian who knows something!"
Do you just randomly stumble upon Tali dealing with the mercs or something?
You can just go straight to Barla Von and skip Dr. Michel. He will lead you to Wrex, who will lead you to Fist. I do this on most ME1 playthroughs to save time. Garrus later asks to join your team before you leave the Citadel, and you can refuse him.
Yeah.
Besides "You aren't as good at stuff as Shepard" is one of the worst insults.
Seriously, who is?
Why I fear the ocean.
See: The entire Omega thing. The only reason it fell apart is because someone wasn't as awesome as Shepard, and surprise surprise broke under super extreme conditions.