The sociopathy isn't the problem. It's sociopathy mixed with incompetence. For all the people he has murdered, he has accomplished nothing notable except as part of Shepard's squad.
Apparently, despite the limited effect on Omega, the kills did a lot back in Citadel space.
Mentioned that Jaroth was behind half the black market Eezo on the citadel, for example.
And now someone else will take over that. Eclipse is not dead.
The sociopathy isn't the problem. It's sociopathy mixed with incompetence. For all the people he has murdered, he has accomplished nothing notable except as part of Shepard's squad.
I'm confused. Isn't being on Shepard's squad considered the highest honor someone could ever recieve? Murdering all those people qualified him for the best thing that ever happened to him!
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The sociopathy isn't the problem. It's sociopathy mixed with incompetence. For all the people he has murdered, he has accomplished nothing notable except as part of Shepard's squad.
If Shepard is the standard, then 99.99% of the galaxy isn't going to measure up.
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The sociopathy isn't the problem. It's sociopathy mixed with incompetence. For all the people he has murdered, he has accomplished nothing notable except as part of Shepard's squad.
Apparently, despite the limited effect on Omega, the kills did a lot back in Citadel space.
Mentioned that Jaroth was behind half the black market Eezo on the citadel, for example.
And now someone else will take over that. Eclipse is not dead.
Well, if we're looking really long term, nobody ever does anything.
Always more mercs. Always more Thresher Maws. Genophage naturally gets undone.
I'm pretty sure it isn't supposed to be Jack. He only brings up the story because Jack reminds him of this little girl who killed an entire spaceship of slavers, and he doesn't mention her being a biotic or even human, iirc.
If it actually was Jack, I assume he'd have recognized her or she him.
Speaking of characters having foreknowledge of each other, that's one thing I really wished was done a little better in ME2 concerning the returning cast.
Why don't Garrus/Tali/Liara/Wrex really ever even acknowledge each other's existence? The only one from the "old crew" who ever gets any recognition is Shepard.
You know what ME2 needs? Some of the inter-party banter like in DAO. You'll just be walking along, and Zevran will strike up a conversation with Wynne about her boobs. Why doesn't Garrus ever strike up a conversation with Tali about her boobs?
Garrus is good, but compared to Zaeed, he is a little girly man.
Actually, as a list, what were all the combat operations Zaeed talks about? I mean ALL of them?
Dropping hot into the Krogan DMZ.
Blows up the Turian Frigate Verikan.
Loses track over the number of Cerberus agents he's killed, 50+.
Kills a Krogan warlord and retinue that highjacks the ship he was on (Die Hard in SPACE!).
Kills over a hundred Batarian slavers and their boss with Jessie.
Survives an ambush of two Batarians, a Krogan, and a Hanar.
Escaped a Batarian death prison.
Assassinated a Turian arms dealer.
Killed an STG operative.
Survived an Asari commando as a girlfriend.
Any I'm missing?
Barfight.
Another run in with Krogans, where the leader was using a tiny little pistol they sell at Rodan Expeditions. Hell of a gun.
Working with the galaxy's deadliest eight year old.
Ripped a Krogan's headplate off with a knife
Took out a machine gun nest by making a civilian girl act as a suicide bombing prostitute
You know what ME2 needs? Some of the inter-party banter like in DAO. You'll just be walking along, and Zevran will strike up a conversation with Wynne about her boobs. Why doesn't Garrus ever strike up a conversation with Tali about her boobs?
They do talk to each other, just not as frequently as in DA:O
Garrus and Tali specifically have several random banter thingies with each other.
Really? I cannot recall even a single instance of banter. I remember where one character or another will sometimes chime in regarding the situation at hand. Mordin is particularly good for this since he always has something scientific to say about pretty much everything. But I cannot recall party members actually talking to each other.
Really? I cannot recall even a single instance of banter. I remember where one character or another will sometimes chime in regarding the situation at hand. Mordin is particularly good for this since he always has something scientific to say about pretty much everything. But I cannot recall party members actually talking to each other.
They don't do it in combat zones at all, and honestly the ones I'm thinking of could be scripted. Certainly they don't do it as often as in DA:O.
I'm specifically thinking of that one on the Citadel where Garrus asks Tali about her helmet, or something, and Tali threatens him with her shotgun.
Edit: Of course, part of it is that you have one fewer party member than in DA
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I'm pretty sure it isn't supposed to be Jack. He only brings up the story because Jack reminds him of this little girl who killed an entire spaceship of slavers, and he doesn't mention her being a biotic or even human, iirc.
If it actually was Jack, I assume he'd have recognized her or she him.
Not Jack.
Mentions her at the start of a different reminiscence. Calls her a hell of a girl.
I'm pretty sure it isn't supposed to be Jack. He only brings up the story because Jack reminds him of this little girl who killed an entire spaceship of slavers, and he doesn't mention her being a biotic or even human, iirc.
If it actually was Jack, I assume he'd have recognized her or she him.
Not Jack.
Mentions her at the start of a different reminiscence. Calls her a hell of a girl.
Zaeed + Jack
Most dysfunctional relationship ever, still less creepy than Shepard's romances
Speaking of Dragon Age I like how party members can disagree with you to the point of leaving or fighting you. I would like that in Mass Effect, it made the characters feel more independent.
Speaking of characters having foreknowledge of each other, that's one thing I really wished was done a little better in ME2 concerning the returning cast.
Why don't Garrus/Tali/Liara/Wrex really ever even acknowledge each other's existence? The only one from the "old crew" who ever gets any recognition is Shepard.
You know what ME2 needs? Some of the inter-party banter like in DAO. You'll just be walking along, and Zevran will strike up a conversation with Wynne about her boobs. Why doesn't Garrus ever strike up a conversation with Tali about her boobs?
This, a thousands times this. Mass Effect 2 was supposed to be about the "team", but they hardly ever acknowledge one another, and it's especially glaring with Wrex, Garrus, and Tali.
ME3 really needs to take a few cues from Dragon Age.
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The sociopathy isn't the problem. It's sociopathy mixed with incompetence. For all the people he has murdered, he has accomplished nothing notable except as part of Shepard's squad.
Ask Frank Castle how much good he felt he's done. Then ask him if he's going to keep doing it.
Garrus is my turian bro for life. *BLAM* "Scratch one!"
Garrus is good, but compared to Zaeed, he is a little girly man.
Actually, as a list, what were all the combat operations Zaeed talks about? I mean ALL of them?
Dropping hot into the Krogan DMZ.
Blows up the Turian Frigate Verikan.
Loses track over the number of Cerberus agents he's killed, 50+.
Kills a Krogan warlord and retinue that highjacks the ship he was on (Die Hard in SPACE!).
Kills over a hundred Batarian slavers and their boss with Jessie.
Survives an ambush of two Batarians, a Krogan, and a Hanar.
Escaped a Batarian death prison.
Assassinated a Turian arms dealer.
Killed an STG operative.
Survived an Asari commando as a girlfriend.
Any I'm missing?
Barfight.
Another run in with Krogans, where the leader was using a tiny little pistol they sell at Rodan Expeditions. Hell of a gun.
Working with the galaxy's deadliest eight year old.
Ripped a Krogan's headplate off with a knife
Took out a machine gun nest by making a civilian girl act as a suicide bombing prostitute.
Well, the bomb didn't go off... ;-)
And now that DA2 is out, we should get more info on ME3 soon I'll wager in a week or two.
Speaking of Dragon Age I like how party members can disagree with you to the point of leaving or fighting you. I would like that in Mass Effect, it made the characters feel more independent.
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No
NO.
mass effect is about you being shepard being the most badass person in the entire galaxy. anyone who disagrees with you enough to actually pick a fight with you is suicidal.
which is why wrex dies if you don't have enough para/ren points to talk him down. even though the failure is on your part (the player), shepard is still right.
the LAST thing mass effect needs is "miranda disapproves -13". i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that. the loyalty system they already have is quite sufficient.
keep that DA approval shit OUT of my mass effect. :v:
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You know that guy in Mass Effect 1 who is like Shepard's biggest fan and he wants your autograph? And in ME2 he's decided to go off and be a hero and you get the chance to talk him down from doing something stupid and dying?
I never came across that dude in my PS3 playthrough that I just completed. Did they take him out? Or did I just miss him? I could've sworn he was in the bar on Ilium but I never encountered him this time.
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You know that guy in Mass Effect 1 who is like Shepard's biggest fan and he wants your autograph? And in ME2 he's decided to go off and be a hero and you get the chance to talk him down from doing something stupid and dying?
I never came across that dude in my PS3 playthrough that I just completed. Did they take him out? Or did I just miss him? I could've sworn he was in the bar on Ilium but I never encountered him this time.
You know that guy in Mass Effect 1 who is like Shepard's biggest fan and he wants your autograph? And in ME2 he's decided to go off and be a hero and you get the chance to talk him down from doing something stupid and dying?
I never came across that dude in my PS3 playthrough that I just completed. Did they take him out? Or did I just miss him? I could've sworn he was in the bar on Ilium but I never encountered him this time.
He's not in the PS3 version.
Boo. I figured that was the case, cause I was extremely thorough in my exploration.
i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that.
I don't believe it.
ok. i'd buy it, but i'd mod it out of the game because it's pure bullshit.
I wasn't saying that the approval system should be brought over just that there should be more moments like what happens with Wrex. I like the idea that if you team mates feel strongly about something they will oppose you rather than go along with it.
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i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that.
I don't believe it.
ok. i'd buy it, but i'd mod it out of the game because it's pure bullshit.
I wasn't saying that the approval system should be brought over just that there should be more moments like what happens with Wrex. I like the idea that if you team mates feel strongly about something they will oppose you rather than go along with it.
i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that.
I don't believe it.
ok. i'd buy it, but i'd mod it out of the game because it's pure bullshit.
I wasn't saying that the approval system should be brought over just that there should be more moments like what happens with Wrex. I like the idea that if you team mates feel strongly about something they will oppose you rather than go along with it.
well i'm fine with that, tying it into the existing para/ren point system
but as soon i have to start thinking about gifts and shit, my ragemeter goes through the roof
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i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that.
I don't believe it.
ok. i'd buy it, but i'd mod it out of the game because it's pure bullshit.
I wasn't saying that the approval system should be brought over just that there should be more moments like what happens with Wrex. I like the idea that if you team mates feel strongly about something they will oppose you rather than go along with it.
well i'm fine with that, tying it into the existing para/ren point system
but as soon i have to start thinking about gifts and shit, my ragemeter goes through the roof
Intimidate:You want gifts? I've always felt a bullet between the eyes was a nice one.
Which is why Garrus secretly worked at getting his whole squad killed. He had to kill all the others so the Batarian's death wouldn't be suspicius, Sidonis escaped with the truth which is the real reason Garrus wants to kill him.
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Very few things in the universe fail to match this description.
And now someone else will take over that. Eclipse is not dead.
I'm confused. Isn't being on Shepard's squad considered the highest honor someone could ever recieve? Murdering all those people qualified him for the best thing that ever happened to him!
If Shepard is the standard, then 99.99% of the galaxy isn't going to measure up.
Well, if we're looking really long term, nobody ever does anything.
Always more mercs. Always more Thresher Maws. Genophage naturally gets undone.
But short term, it'll wreck the supply lines.
Why I fear the ocean.
I'm pretty sure it isn't supposed to be Jack. He only brings up the story because Jack reminds him of this little girl who killed an entire spaceship of slavers, and he doesn't mention her being a biotic or even human, iirc.
If it actually was Jack, I assume he'd have recognized her or she him.
Why don't Garrus/Tali/Liara/Wrex really ever even acknowledge each other's existence? The only one from the "old crew" who ever gets any recognition is Shepard.
You know what ME2 needs? Some of the inter-party banter like in DAO. You'll just be walking along, and Zevran will strike up a conversation with Wynne about her boobs. Why doesn't Garrus ever strike up a conversation with Tali about her boobs?
Ripped a Krogan's headplate off with a knife
Took out a machine gun nest by making a civilian girl act as a suicide bombing prostitute
They do talk to each other, just not as frequently as in DA:O
Garrus and Tali specifically have several random banter thingies with each other.
They don't do it in combat zones at all, and honestly the ones I'm thinking of could be scripted. Certainly they don't do it as often as in DA:O.
I'm specifically thinking of that one on the Citadel where Garrus asks Tali about her helmet, or something, and Tali threatens him with her shotgun.
Edit: Of course, part of it is that you have one fewer party member than in DA
Not Jack.
Mentions her at the start of a different reminiscence. Calls her a hell of a girl.
Why I fear the ocean.
Zaeed + Jack
Most dysfunctional relationship ever, still less creepy than Shepard's romances
This, a thousands times this. Mass Effect 2 was supposed to be about the "team", but they hardly ever acknowledge one another, and it's especially glaring with Wrex, Garrus, and Tali.
ME3 really needs to take a few cues from Dragon Age.
Ask Frank Castle how much good he felt he's done. Then ask him if he's going to keep doing it.
Garrus is my turian bro for life. *BLAM* "Scratch one!"
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Well, the bomb didn't go off... ;-)
And now that DA2 is out, we should get more info on ME3 soon I'll wager in a week or two.
I'm guessing we'll get some info about the next bridging DLC, before we get any new insights into ME3.
no
No
NO.
mass effect is about you being shepard being the most badass person in the entire galaxy. anyone who disagrees with you enough to actually pick a fight with you is suicidal.
which is why wrex dies if you don't have enough para/ren points to talk him down. even though the failure is on your part (the player), shepard is still right.
the LAST thing mass effect needs is "miranda disapproves -13". i would literally not buy any more mass effect games if they implement a system like that. the loyalty system they already have is quite sufficient.
keep that DA approval shit OUT of my mass effect. :v:
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"And I think the attack on this colony that I personally witnessed get hit by the collectors just now could be Cerberus's doing."
For certain definitions of "special," sure.
I don't believe it.
You know that guy in Mass Effect 1 who is like Shepard's biggest fan and he wants your autograph? And in ME2 he's decided to go off and be a hero and you get the chance to talk him down from doing something stupid and dying?
I never came across that dude in my PS3 playthrough that I just completed. Did they take him out? Or did I just miss him? I could've sworn he was in the bar on Ilium but I never encountered him this time.
He's not in the PS3 version.
Why I fear the ocean.
ok. i'd buy it, but i'd mod it out of the game because it's pure bullshit.
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Boo. I figured that was the case, cause I was extremely thorough in my exploration.
I wasn't saying that the approval system should be brought over just that there should be more moments like what happens with Wrex. I like the idea that if you team mates feel strongly about something they will oppose you rather than go along with it.
Samara's legal obligation to murder you and that?
Why I fear the ocean.
well i'm fine with that, tying it into the existing para/ren point system
but as soon i have to start thinking about gifts and shit, my ragemeter goes through the roof
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Intimidate:You want gifts? I've always felt a bullet between the eyes was a nice one.
Why I fear the ocean.
Wait, when did we start talking about cerberus again?
It's the Schmitty of Mass Effect arguments.
Why I fear the ocean.
Saving Garrus is worse than murdering the Pope?
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Humans are particularly worthless as a species, and are well suited to be tortured or fed to thresher maws.
Especially humans from the Terminus systems. 'Cause they're dicks.
Did they ever actually explain in-game what Cerberus did to the Migrant fleet?
Not in any detail.
Covered in the novels, I hear.
Why I fear the ocean.
Garrus had a batarian on his squad.