Portal 2. Reboot GLaDOS for earlier release!

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  • MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2011
    I really doubt valve miscalculated the time. I expect more they wanted it to release Monday instead of Tuesday (and hinted at friday/weekend to get more people buying the indie pack), otherwise they would have set it up to auto adjust. For as much as I dislike this arg I am still aware that valve is full of really smart people who love money.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    well, when you think about it, they could of just released the game instead of doing the arg. It's been done for a month(at least). instead they developed an arg(best case scenario it was in paralel so theres no delays caused by it), that in the end helps line their pockets further by selling a bunch of indie games.

    Keep in mind, you pay for the arg. it comes out of your money when you buy a valve game.

    Yes, we all pay for all marketing. Just like we pay for TF2's updates by...


    ... wait, how have we paid for them?


    I don't know. Oh wait. they opened a fucking hat store.

    3 years after release and to my knowledge that is entirely optional.

    And I believe the content creators are compensated in some way for it too, if it comes from the community.

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  • Vi MonksVi Monks Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    well, when you think about it, they could of just released the game instead of doing the arg. It's been done for a month(at least). instead they developed an arg(best case scenario it was in paralel so theres no delays caused by it), that in the end helps line their pockets further by selling a bunch of indie games.

    Keep in mind, you pay for the arg. it comes out of your money when you buy a valve game.

    Just because the game was finished a month ago doesn't mean they could release it that day. Valve makes multi-platform games. They need to be able to make disks.

    I feel like people are taking this whole thing a little too seriously. Valve likes to support indie games. They make a little thing where playing indie games makes the PC version come out a bit early. Its not a big deal and I doubt that if they didn't develop the arg that it would have come out earlier.

    This. Also, developers generally have to reserve a release date months in advance. They can't just call up Walmart and Gamestop and tell them to put the game on the shelves, and they understandably don't want to make it available on Steam weeks or months before it's available anywhere else.

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Surveyor of Things and Stuff Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    well, when you think about it, they could of just released the game instead of doing the arg. It's been done for a month(at least). instead they developed an arg(best case scenario it was in paralel so theres no delays caused by it), that in the end helps line their pockets further by selling a bunch of indie games.

    Keep in mind, you pay for the arg. it comes out of your money when you buy a valve game.

    Yes, we all pay for all marketing. Just like we pay for TF2's updates by...


    ... wait, how have we paid for them?


    I don't know. Oh wait. they opened a fucking hat store.

    They've also been practically giving Tf2 away like it was a redheaded step grandmother with the plague. They probably want to earn money on it somehow.

    Not to mention that no one is making you buy stuff at the store, you just can if you want to.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Speaking of the ARG not being over...

    I don't know if it is a troll or a prank or what but there's a new news post on the wiki about making people rebel or the compromised players will die.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    Wow, cogs jumped up fast. Time to check the list for the next game!

    edit: The timer's now at 40 hours, so we've knocked 8 hours off the start time or so, right? Or more/less than that.. how big of a chunk did Cogs do?

    We've knocked off a bit over 4 hours off the timer...

    My guess is that the '4 hours off' is just the consolation prize if we don't fill all 13 bars.

    Now, maybe I'm wrong, as this is entirely conjecture, but I think the 40-60 minutes being knocked off the official count for each game completed is going to add up to a roughly midnight Monday release, which for many people isn't much of a bonus at all. However, it seems that if we fill up the gray bar by completing all 13 red bars, I would hope/assume it unlocks roughly then and there.

    So if we get 12 games done it opens late Monday/early Tuesday. If no one had given a shit, it would've just unlocked Tuesday morning/early afternoon as expected. If the sites tracking game / gray bar progress are right, hopefully we'll get it Monday afternoon.

    I really wouldn't get too angsty over the standard counter just yet. I have faith in the community knocking the rest of the games out of the park in the next 24 hours or so, and I'll be happy to start my next Portal journey Monday afternoon instead of Tuesday afternoon.

    Assuming I haven't fucked up drastically somewhere, that is.

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  • GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    Speaking of the ARG not being over...

    I don't know if it is a troll or a prank or what but there's a new news post on the wiki about making people rebel or the compromised players will die.

    Yeah, by release Portal 2 they mean Portal 2 demo and not the full game. When that timer ends a third mysterious timer will appear which may or may not indicate another game.. Or may simply be a countdown timer for a timer.

    Like inception, only with countdown timers.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Yup. definitely more with the ARG:

    http://steamcommunity.com/id/thedoctorisdead/

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited April 2011
    I'd appreciate it if people were a bit more reasonable here.

    Valve makes money off this. It may have been done in manner that is very agreeable with the community, but it's not charity. It's nothing to rage against, but it's also not immune to criticism. People that take issue with are not entitled children, and those that back it are not corporate shills.

    The ARG was well-done with an end phase that was brilliant but poorly, poorly executed. I'd like to see them try again, but I doubt they'll repeat the same trick twice.

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    So how exactly does one help with the progress on the bar? I already own Audiosurf... if I play it will I "contribute?" How long do I have to play, or does more time spent playing mean more progress?

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  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I'm not saying this cynically, but:

    Valve gets money from selling Portal 2.
    Marketing helps sell Portal 2.
    This marketing involves buying indie games from Valve's platform.
    Valve makes money selling things on their platform.

    So it's financially a great plan for Valve.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Terrendos wrote: »
    So how exactly does one help with the progress on the bar? I already own Audiosurf... if I play it will I "contribute?" How long do I have to play, or does more time spent playing mean more progress?

    Just play.


    Looks like there was an edit war or something on the wiki, with the mods deciding to let the strange message stay. there's also some tweets and other things talking about high importance players and.. weirdness. Maybe there is still a shot at getting Portal 2 today.

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  • programjunkieprogramjunkie Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morkath wrote: »
    I think my only real complaint is that 4-6 hours early isn't early. It's me getting to play it at the same exact time as I would have without putting effort into the ARG, because I work for a living.

    Exactly. The rest of it is fine. Puzzles are cool, skins for buying indie games are cool. Sure, whatever. I'm only really interested in the early release, which isn't actually early, hence my mild annoyance, which apparently makes me a heretic.
    Nappuccino wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    well, when you think about it, they could of just released the game instead of doing the arg. It's been done for a month(at least). instead they developed an arg(best case scenario it was in paralel so theres no delays caused by it), that in the end helps line their pockets further by selling a bunch of indie games.

    Keep in mind, you pay for the arg. it comes out of your money when you buy a valve game.

    Yes, we all pay for all marketing. Just like we pay for TF2's updates by...


    ... wait, how have we paid for them?


    I don't know. Oh wait. they opened a fucking hat store.

    They've also been practically giving Tf2 away like it was a redheaded step grandmother with the plague. They probably want to earn money on it somehow.

    Not to mention that no one is making you buy stuff at the store, you just can if you want to.

    The hat store is pretty much terrible, because the prices are insane and anyone who buys TF2 right now is at a gigantic disadvantage compared to someone who buys it and spends like $150 or has been playing for 3 years.

    To put things in perspective, just to get solely the gameplay related content, with absolutely no aesthetic items, costs several times the potato bundle, which is 13 games.

    It's actually a great example of how not to do micropayment systems. League of Legends, for example, is far less terrible as the content is cheaper and they don't directly sell power. TF2 uses Chinese MMO style bullshit (buy keys to unlock chests that are 99% shit, but you might get something good! My favorite thing was the bug that made chests contain other chests which needed to be paid for to unlock).

    That said, TF2 is worth the $5 they sell it for during sales even if they do let people pay money to cheat.
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    I'd appreciate it if people were a bit more reasonable here.

    Valve makes money off this. It may have been done in manner that is very agreeable with the community, but it's not charity. It's nothing to rage against, but it's also not immune to criticism. People that take issue with are not entitled children, and those that back it are not corporate shills.

    The ARG was well-done with an end phase that was brilliant but poorly, poorly executed. I'd like to see them try again, but I doubt they'll repeat the same trick twice.

    I'd agree with this statement. This isn't drowning kittens, but being as I don't have Portal 2 to play, I have a few minutes to complain about their terrible end phase on the internet. Hopefully in the future they will do things like this less terribly.

    Frankly, though it is more plain, I prefer pre-release "betas" (aka the final game with like 5 minor bugs left) or MMO style pre-releases to this, because it doesn't take effort and you know exactly what you are getting.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    you literally do not need anything from the tf2 store to start playing so

    and you can get a shit ton of items from just getting in game achievements which aren't hard to get

    and in that time you will also get items dropped

    and most of the default weapons are better for the most part, as well as those unlocked items that might be better, really arent that much better

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    You can't pay money to cheat. The default weapons are perfectly viable. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a great troll.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I thought the ARG was clever. Always nice to have something interesting to boggle the old noodle.

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    you literally do not need anything from the tf2 store to start playing so

    and you can get a shit ton of items from just getting in game achievements which aren't hard to get

    and in that time you will also get items dropped

    and most of the default weapons are better for the most part, as well as those unlocked items that might be better, really arent that much better

    This, seriously. You can play the game and do very well without buying anything other than the base game. And you do get drops for free as you play it.

    Basically, you aren't at a disadvantage if you don't buy their stuff.

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I think at this point some of us are going to just have to agree to disagree. Some people have lower bullshit tolerances than others.

    Thinking that putting up a "buy more games" ARG 94 hours early and having it end up only making half a day's difference at best, or selling virtual cosmetic hats for $20 trips some people's alarms. It does not make them whiny entitled babies for detecting something wrong there.

    Some of the personal insults and indirect insults at any dissenters is also kind of bewildering. Valve is not your mother and nobody is shaming her honor.

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I thought the ARG was clever. Always nice to have something interesting to boggle the old noodle.

    Yeah. I had fun.

    I ordered on Amazon for my PS3 disk, so I'll be playing it the same time same day no matter what, so I'm really not bothered by all this stuff. The ARG was an enjoyable way to pass time. It's over, now I just wait for Tuesday.

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  • IdolisideIdoliside Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    If anyone hasn't read it before, this is fascinating read on the whole ARG, didn't realise it went so deep

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  • LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Scosglen wrote: »
    I think at this point some of us are going to just have to agree to disagree. Some people have lower bullshit tolerances than others.

    Thinking that putting up a "buy more games" ARG 94 hours early and having it end up only making half a day's difference at best, or selling virtual cosmetic hats for $20 trips some people's alarms. It does not make them whiny entitled babies for detecting something wrong there.

    Some of the personal insults and indirect insults at any dissenters is also kind of bewildering. Valve is not your mother and nobody is shaming her honor.

    How is it bullshit if you're not required to buy and/or participate in any of it to still get your product on time (maybe even earlier!).

    It is completely optional, just like $20 dollar hats.

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    By having an early release ARG in the first place the expectations have changed. That is why the "entitlement" and "go do something else" argument is horse shit. Valve created a new expectation and it turned out to be kind of underwhelming and not actually what people wanted, which was a weekend release.

    There is a certain level of bald-faced manipulation and fan-sadism that you are deluded if you cannot see at all. How many people do you really think wanted to play The Wonderful End of the World for 12 hours on Friday, or will frankly ever play the game again now that they don't have to?

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Wow, the ARG chat has exploded here with people talking about trying to stop the booting process.

    It's impossible to tell who is a troll or not, especially with the infected (in-game) IRC users saying to continue.

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  • proyebatproyebat GARY WAS HERE ASH IS A LOSERRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    What the hell guys, drop it.

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  • SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    Wow, the ARG chat has exploded here with people talking about trying to stop the booting process.

    It's impossible to tell who is a troll or not, especially with the infected (in-game) IRC users saying to continue.

    Where do we go to get the ARG chat?

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  • Ross_CRoss_C Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Whooo! Thanks for the Bit.Trip.Beat advice. I have all 36 potatoes and I'm ready for Portal 2. Or the impending apocalypse that is about to unfold.

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Sceptre wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Wow, the ARG chat has exploded here with people talking about trying to stop the booting process.

    It's impossible to tell who is a troll or not, especially with the infected (in-game) IRC users saying to continue.

    Where do we go to get the ARG chat?

    They have an IRC channel on GameSurge. I think it is #ValveARG2 but be warned, they can be very dickish. If you point out an error on their wiki, there is a chance you will get kicked. That is what happened to me, and then the wiki was fixed.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Sceptre wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Wow, the ARG chat has exploded here with people talking about trying to stop the booting process.

    It's impossible to tell who is a troll or not, especially with the infected (in-game) IRC users saying to continue.

    Where do we go to get the ARG chat?

    it's on Gamesurge's IRC network, or there are links on the wiki. Just be aware that #valvearg2 is a wasteland right now as the mods try to keep idiots under control. I haven't even looked at #arg3 (the discussion/speculation channel), and my personal place of sanity is its usual self.

    Two major theories going on right now - stop testing to see if aux power kicks in or GlaDOS's reboot is stopped (which is silly) , or there is something going on with the infected... but no one knows what.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I wonder when they'll tell us what the very special, non-hat-based reward for getting all the potatoes is. Probably not before launch. Maybe they won't even say what it is and let the people with golden potatoes figure it out on their own.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    That's hilarious. Even with information freely available on the Steam client that 'something' is going on, I imagine only a fraction of the community is even aware of what's going on, and even a fraction of those are participating, and even a fraction of those are in the channel or listening to sources.

    Reminds me of my days in World of Warcraft, when people would complain about information not getting out fast/efficiently enough on the forums, at which point a Blizzard moderator stepped in and said that according to their numbers, something like 1% or less of the game's population even visited the forums, let alone did so regularly.

    My point being, while perhaps enough people could be swayed to make some small calculable difference, it's more likely that the vast majority are just playing whatever they want to play, aware of the ARG or not, and a few dozen or hundred (hell, or even thousand) members not actively participating would only be a drop in the bucket compared the literally millions of gamers on Steam at any given time during the day.
    Peewi wrote: »
    I wonder when they'll tell us what the very special, non-hat-based reward for getting all the potatoes is. Probably not before launch. Maybe they won't even say what it is and let the people with golden potatoes figure it out on their own.

    Aperture Science Hand Held Portal Device usable in TF2.

    Wouldn't that fuck with some people?

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  • programjunkieprogramjunkie Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    you literally do not need anything from the tf2 store to start playing so

    and you can get a shit ton of items from just getting in game achievements which aren't hard to get

    and in that time you will also get items dropped

    and most of the default weapons are better for the most part, as well as those unlocked items that might be better, really arent that much better

    A lot of them are clearly better, and more options is better in general. It is a significant disadvantage.
    You can't pay money to cheat. The default weapons are perfectly viable. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a great troll.

    My experience playing TF2 since the first hour it was available say differently.

    As to trolling, well, only one of us is jailed right now. But shine on you crazy diamond.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    you literally do not need anything from the tf2 store to start playing so

    and you can get a shit ton of items from just getting in game achievements which aren't hard to get

    and in that time you will also get items dropped

    and most of the default weapons are better for the most part, as well as those unlocked items that might be better, really arent that much better

    A lot of them are clearly better, and more options is better in general. It is a significant disadvantage.

    it is in no way a significant disadvantage

    if you had argued this point from a "there is a shit ton of fuck in the game that isnt really explained and its daunting as a new player to try and internalize all the new shit" then i would have completley agreed with you , 100%

    but as far as a gameplay thing goes, no, seriously, most of the default weapons are fine for playing the game and you arent going to instantly die because you dont have weapon x

    edit: i think portal 2 looks like a fun game

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  • proyebatproyebat GARY WAS HERE ASH IS A LOSERRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    proyebat wrote: »
    What the hell guys, drop it.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    proyebat wrote: »
    proyebat wrote: »
    What the hell guys, drop it.

    i have to be right

    its the internet

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  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Guys, there's a better chat channel you can use that has fewer idiots.

    I'm not gonna post it here because that would defeat the purpose, but PM me and if I know who you are/that you're not a goose, I'll link you to it.

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  • AaronKIAaronKI Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Athenor wrote: »
    Man, Toki Tori's music is addicting.

    The soundtrack is available on either Two Tribes' site or the official Toki Tori site. Rush has incredibly good music, too. I wonder if the music in both were written by the same person.


    I finally went off the deep end and decided to go for the Golden potato. I need to know what the mystery prize is. I'm not sure if I'll make it, but I'm doing pretty good so far. 13/35

    Amnesia: 2/2
    Audiosurf: 2/2
    Defense Grid: 5/6
    The Ball: 1/2
    Toki Tori: 2/2
    Nelipot: 1/1

    I expect my hangups to come on either Defence Grid's CHAS potato, Bit.Trip's Descent potato, AAAAA, and Killing floor. I'll definitely have to cheat at Cogs (eff that game) and Kick It. :(

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    2 in Killing Floor and like 4 or 5 of the Defense Grid ones are pretty easy, or at least they were for me.

    Fuck the Audiosurf ones, though.

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  • EntriechEntriech ? ? ? ? ? Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    AaronKI wrote: »
    I expect my hangups to come on either Defence Grid's CHAS potato, Bit.Trip's Descent potato, AAAAA, and Killing floor. I'll definitely have to cheat at Cogs (eff that game) and Kick It. :(

    For DG CHAS, just look up a video on how to do the level. Will take you 10ish minutes tops once you take a few pointers from the video solutions. Bit.Trip's descent potato isn't bad so long as you enter the boss fight in Hyper mode with your Mega bar 10 or 15 hits from filling. AAAA's aren't that bad, there are video solutions you can watch and duplicate with small effort. Killing Floor you can cheese the Potato gun achievement by running a dedicated server on your PC and then connecting to it as a client, there are instructions on the wiki. The other two KF achievements can be done solo running a multiplayer listener server.

    You are 100% correct, you need to cheat like a motherfucker on Cogs and Kick It. Don't even try to do it legit, you'll pull your hair out.

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  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Guys, there's a better chat channel you can use that has fewer idiots.

    I'm not gonna post it here because that would defeat the purpose, but PM me and if I know who you are/that you're not a goose, I'll link you to it.

    I can't but imagine that this would look better if not coming from Gandalf the Crazed who's totally not a Cylon.

    Audiosurf "The Device Has Been Modified" potato get!

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Looks like the deletions of the potatoes for cheating started, as I saw the count go down by nearly a thousand.. but in the ARG room, people are reporting gaining potatoes. Weird. Something's definitely up.

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