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Fox animation thread: The Belchers meet the Homer

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    The implication that the Belchers watch their world get built weekly explains a lot

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    I don't have much of a horse in this race, 'cause I've never seem the movie he's referencing, but I only made it in about 8 minutes before the combination of "racial stereotypes aren't a problem if they're positive", "how come people aren't complaining about the other stereotypes huh", "what if the people complaining about racists are the real racists" got too much for me.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    "how come people aren't complaining about the other stereotypes huh".

    Even though he's trying to save Apu from retirement, he ends up making a good case for changing Super Mario.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Mario somehow doesn't even register as Italian to me at this point.

  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Mario somehow doesn't even register as Italian to me at this point.

    It really only comes out if you set the controller down for a few minutes and let him fall asleep. Spaghetti, rigatoni, ravioli, mama mia!

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    The thing with Apu is that despite all the other aspects of the character mentioned in that video he's still an Indian dude who works at a stereotypical job and is voiced by a white guy doing affecting a stereotypical accent, which gives racist assholes a good bit of ammunition to bully Indian kids.

    EDIT: Out of curiosity I looked up why so many Indian-Americans own gas stations:
    Indian American here, and gas station owner here. A few reasons for that, back in the 1960s and 1970s, many Indians living in either India or East Africa had very few opportunities to get ahead in their home countries. Back then, many families could only afford to send their first born to Europe or US under a student visa.

    Once that first person got a student visa, and later green card, they could either do a family sponsorship, or the entire family would put their money in 1 person's account, and have them get an investor visa. Since the second and third siblings might not have degree suitable for work in the US, a motel or gas station is a good stable owner-operated job. The owner can work the register or front desk, family can help turn over rooms, etc.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The thing with Apu is that despite all the other aspects of the character mentioned in that video he's still an Indian dude who works at a stereotypical job and is voiced by a white guy doing affecting a stereotypical accent, which gives racist assholes a good bit of ammunition to bully Indian kids.

    Like the video says at 12:30, you have to blame the racist assholes, not the cartoon character.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The thing with Apu is that despite all the other aspects of the character mentioned in that video he's still an Indian dude who works at a stereotypical job and is voiced by a white guy doing affecting a stereotypical accent, which gives racist assholes a good bit of ammunition to bully Indian kids.

    Like the video says at 12:30, you have to blame the racist assholes, not the cartoon character.

    That would be good, but it's easier to change one cartoon character than it is to change countless racists.

    They don't even have to get rid of Apu. They could just get a new voice actor and justify it with Apu saying he had been doing an exaggerated accent all this time for some reason.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The thing with Apu is that despite all the other aspects of the character mentioned in that video he's still an Indian dude who works at a stereotypical job and is voiced by a white guy doing affecting a stereotypical accent, which gives racist assholes a good bit of ammunition to bully Indian kids.

    Like the video says at 12:30, you have to blame the racist assholes, not the cartoon character.

    That would be good, but it's easier to change one cartoon character than it is to change countless racists.

    They don't even have to get rid of Apu. They could just get a new voice actor and justify it with Apu saying he had been doing an exaggerated accent all this time for some reason.

    How would a new Indian voice actor affect the bullying? Is this new Indian voice actor going to give notes to the writers to change Apu, making the character more respectable, making bullies who watch the show have higher esteem for Indians in real life?

  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    You can cancel Simpsons right now and Apu will still be Apu, and probably stay Apu in the shared Zeitgeist for at least the next 40+ years.
    Change the voice and well, I guess bullies will make fun of the immigrant kid with a slightly more authentic accent, and also blame them for ruining Simpsons for everyone.

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  • Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    The thing is that they have already addressed this within the show. When Apu's nephew arrived and took over the store. In that episode there is a scene where the nephew lambasts Apu for being an old cliche/sterotype. ( fast forward to 8:45). Several indians are also shown to be more modern than Apu and the theme is that Apu doesn't want to move on and change. There is also an episode where Apu is shown to be very pro american and even has a knowledge of American history and culture far higher than the average resident of Springfield.

    This is same show that has a redneck yokel, a Italian pizza chef, a mafia don etc etc.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2018
    He continues to be the Indian American in the show that gets much of any airtime and he isn't portrayed as an anachronism like the Italian pizza chef.

    Look at all these other offensive stereotypes isn't an argument either.

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  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    The thing is Apu is like the most successful member of the town. He works hard, is intelligent, educated, a lady killer, and regularly gouges all the fat, lazy Americans, but has an obsession with customer service.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Look at all these other offensive stereotypes isn't an argument either.

    It's not an argument excusing Apu, no, but it is a tactic that strongly appeals to the lazy. "If we change this thing, then we have to change a million other things for the sake of fairness. Reverend Lovejoy will have to be voiced by a real Protestant reverend, Groundskeeper Willie will have to be voiced by a real Scot, etc. etc. Let's just leave things how they are."

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Can someone explain that Family Guy joke about what comes on after them instead of American Dad? Your jokes should not be station schedule specific ffs.

    Also they need to cancel Simpsons, Marge's voice is just gone at this point.

  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    They're just making fun Fox's ever revolving door of shows they try to fit into their sunday night line up that always fail.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    emnmnme wrote: »

    Talking Simpsons mentioned this video recently and uh apparently this dude is super racist.

    So uh yeah. . .

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  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    This week's family guy was actually kinda funny. I lost it when Peter said "don't shoot this guy he was kinda nice to me" *bang* "Oh well"

    EDIT: Holy hell even Simpsons had a killer line. Drag Queen - "I'll tell you what I told Eddie Murphy, 'sure, why not?'".

    A bit dated but more tooth than Simpsons normally brings.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    This week's family guy was actually kinda funny. I lost it when Peter said "don't shoot this guy he was kinda nice to me" *bang* "Oh well"

    EDIT: Holy hell even Simpsons had a killer line. Drag Queen - "I'll tell you what I told Eddie Murphy, 'sure, why not?'".

    A bit dated but more tooth than Simpsons normally brings.

    So dated in fact they'd already been beaten to the joke by Family guy

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »

    Talking Simpsons mentioned this video recently and uh apparently this dude is super racist.

    So uh yeah. . .

    Yeah this was showing up in my recommended videos a few weeks ago and before trying to watch it I looked this guy up and then watched the first like minute and noped out.

  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    I think animation, with its clean lines and simpler shapes, actually benefits more from HD than live action

    Glal
  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    The Lacey Chabert call backs were great. I loved the "I've been training for this since I was Lacey Chabert" line.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Family Guy is killing off Carrie Fisher’s character 2 years after her death.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Anyone watch the Family Guy Trump episode last night.

    I guess why it was done, and even though they somewhat lampshaded it, it still rung a bit hollow that FG out of any cartoon would attack trump.

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Family Guy Trump episode last night.

    I guess why it was done, and even though they somewhat lampshaded it, it still rung a bit hollow that FG out of any cartoon would attack trump.

    How did the line go?
    Trump: "You're Peter Griffin, star of the popular TV show Family Guy. Your show is full of black, Jewish, and gay jokes so if you can act like a bully, I get to act like a bully."
    Peter: "We're trying to cut back on the gay jokes."

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited January 14
    Kyougu wrote: »
    Anyone watch the Family Guy Trump episode last night.

    I guess why it was done, and even though they somewhat lampshaded it, it still rung a bit hollow that FG out of any cartoon would attack trump.

    I mean Seth is a massive Lefty .

    I didnt finish it but I enjoyed the worst jokes being attributed to Brian

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    Lefty or Liberal?

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Glal wrote: »
    Lefty or Liberal?

    Probably more center left now. If not completely a centrist privately.
    He definitely hates establishment republicans

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I like multiple bits of that episode. Like the part where Trump takes down and stomps all over Obamas portrait because you know that's exactly what he wants to do every day and how Peter picks it up and puts it back and then gently kisses Obama's painting on the lips. I was like "Yeah, me to. I miss him so much."

    I don't feel like Trump deserved even a chicken fight in a Family Guy episode, because he's such a whiny little coward that if you slapped him he'd fall down in tears and scream for someone else to get you back for him. I'd rather they had Trump run away crying and had someone fight Peter in his place for money while he watched from the background scared, and the fight ends when Peter makes the guy realize that Trump is not going to ever pay him for fighting for him.

    I did like that the secret service just got popcorn and watched and didn't give a shit.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I like multiple bits of that episode. Like the part where Trump takes down and stomps all over Obamas portrait because you know that's exactly what he wants to do every day and how Peter picks it up and puts it back and then gently kisses Obama's painting on the lips. I was like "Yeah, me to. I miss him so much."

    I thought--in the back of my mind--it was a mildly clever nod to the nostalgia-influenced cult of personality that develops around former presidents, including Barack Obama but also George W. Bush shudder and more, that comes naturally in moments of great political stiff and animosity, which we've had on and off for some time now. He's kissing a portrait after all, I can't think of a much better example. On top of what you've described.

    But it's entirely possible I'm seeing something that isn't there. It wouldn't be the first time, this is Family Guy after all.

    (Addendum: I believe I can say this without somehow suggesting that there isn't a personality cult around Donald Trump created in the last few years, a particularly dangerous one--as though the others were somehow harmless--that has descended into the grotesque. Or suggesting he's otherwise immune to those criticisms.)

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    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

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  • KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    Did American Dad end?

  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    Krathoon wrote: »
    Did American Dad end?

    It's due to start again soon. Feb 12 I think. It's still there, just wish it was still on the Fox Animation block as I dont know how it does on TBS. It also seems to take a lot longer between seasons.

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