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Centipede Damascus

Kyougu wrote: »

Man, I do not like Massacre at all.

Seems so out of place in a Spidey comic.

it's like Carnage, only dumber

Robos A Go Go

Well you need someone for Spock to murder, and I'd rather it be this dude than a villain I actually like.

King Riptor

Bah. Well I guess Peter will be leaving Horizon soon.

Smooth Otto.

Wearingglasses

Wait, sorry, this was a horribly delayed reaction but: so Spock has the combined intellect of Pete and Ock? Or is it just the memories of Pete that Spock has?

I guess it's natural since Pete's intellect is in his memories?

Sagroth

I figure Spock will leave Pete jobless, more hated than ever, and his personal relationships in tatters.

So this time it isn't Peter's fault, you see.

Sagroth

I figure Spock will leave Pete jobless, more hated than ever, and his personal relationships in tatters.

So this time it isn't Peter's fault, you see.

King Riptor

Sagroth wrote: »

I figure Spock will leave Pete jobless, more hated than ever, and his personal relationships in tatters.

So this time it isn't Peter's fault, you see.

That may annoy me most of all. Carlie will fix the personal stuff but I hate that they're resetting Peter for no reason in contrast to literally every other marvel character.

I really enjoy Superior so far but the ending is not something Im looking forward to.

Robos A Go Go

Peter has patented dozens of technological advances by this point, hasn't he? How could he ever be poor again?

And it's hard to imagine him reaching a point where he's both so notorious that he can't get a good job and yet so anonymous that he can live anything approaching a normal life.

AspectVoid

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Peter has patented dozens of technological advances by this point, hasn't he? How could he ever be poor again?

When you work for a company, anything you make and patent belongs to the company, not to you. Thus, Peter has only been receiving his Horizon salary check for all of the things he's made lately.

Robos A Go Go

AspectVoid wrote: »

Robos A Go Go wrote: »

Peter has patented dozens of technological advances by this point, hasn't he? How could he ever be poor again?

When you work for a company, anything you make and patent belongs to the company, not to you. Thus, Peter has only been receiving his Horizon salary check for all of the things he's made lately.

F'real? Sounds like kind of a bad deal for him when you put it that way.

Zyrxil

It's because you're using company resources to create the things.

Robos A Go Go

Sure, but by now he has enough money to acquire any resources he'd need to create stuff on his own. Considering how much he was able to invent on a photog's budget, he shouldn't require that much start-up capital at all.

Darcsteel

I really hope he keeps the Spider bots. Those things are awesome.
Yeah I can see Pete losing his job at horizon for what he's doing but you got to love Ock's reaction to discovering just how far Pete made it in college

A credit short and he nearly blows his cover mumbling accessing memories. Got to love that his ego wont allow him to not hold the title of doctor. although the bit with may very very creepy

I can honestly say that Superior is growing on me. I could do wwithout the ghost Pete commentary but it's not so much as to pull away from the book. I love how Ock is actually managing his time as a hero, something Pete never did.

Mattitude

Not sure if this info is already out, but Dan Slott gave some info about upcoming storylines at London Super Comic-Con this weekend (Spoilers Ahoy!):

-Issue 5 has a pretty important new character.
-Cardiac is back for 2 issues (during the Ramos arc I think)
-Issues 11, 12 and 13 form an arc called 'No Escape'
-'No Escape' takes us back to the raft and features The Lizard.
-He hopes that issue #14 will feature very little dialogue and "Just Explosions".
-Superior Spider-Man is planned ahead as far as mid-2014 at the moment.
-When asked if there was going to be any interaction between Spock and Kaine, Slott replied "There may be story in there" with a wry smile.
-Peter Parker is, apparently, "Dead. Dead. Dead."

Slott's great at panels. Also had some interesting stuff to say about how Marvel NOW came together, how Spider-Island was written, and how the whole One More Day/Brand New Day thing happened. Probably all common knowledge, but nice to hear first hand.

RedDelicious

Still better than Superior

Balefuego

I agree Massacre is not a good bad guy for Peter, lord knows I hate Carnage - but I think he can work for Spock. And I think Slott introduced him back then with this in mind.

Centipede Damascus

Mattitude wrote: »

-Peter Parker is, apparently, "Dead. Dead. Dead."

Has anyone told Slott he's a terrible liar?

Balefuego

I've heard a lot of Slott interviews, and I would bet money he was laughing when he said it.

Dude is having fun with it

Mattitude

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Mattitude wrote: »

-Peter Parker is, apparently, "Dead. Dead. Dead."

Has anyone told Slott he's a terrible liar?

Yeah, I don't believe this one for a second. He's clearly enjoying the hell out of getting to do whatever he wants in the Spidey Sandbox.

Fakefaux

So, considering all the Spock hullabaloo, I have a question for you guys: who is Peter's archnemesis, Dock Ock or Green Goblin?

I mean, don't get me wrong, Goblin has hurt him the most on a personal level, what with Harry and Gwen. But he was also dead for over twenty years of the series' run (during which time Ock was the go-to- baddie), and even after he came back nobody seemed sure what to do with him so he didn't show up that often. At least, not til Warren Ellis got his hands on him).

Ock's never had that level of impact, but he has been more persistent. Forming the Sinister Six, the whole Master Planner arc, the death of Captain Stacy, nearly marrying Aunt May, now stealing Peter's body. You just can't keep the guy down.

So who has a better claim to the title?

Antimatter

it's the Goblin.

nightmarenny

Antimatter wrote: »

it's the Goblin.

Yeah.

Goblins got a personal thing going with Spidy.

Etchwarts

I had someone try to convince me that Venom was the arch-nemesis of Spider-Man, since he was a dark reflection of him.

Etchwarts

Needless to say, he was talking out of his ass. It's Green Goblin.

Fakefaux

Venom is a drop in the bucket. I'll admit, he was the go-to Spidey villain of the 90s, but that's ~10 years out of a 51 year old series.

Though I do feel you guys aren't giving Ock much credit. Sure, Osborn got the emotional gut punches in there, but for a long time he just wasn't there and Ock was the archnemesis.

nightmarenny

You know, I'm finding it tough to articulate what makes an Arch nemesis.

Obviously Batman's is the Joker, superman to Luthor, Spidy to Goblin but I can't say what.

There is something there, inherent.

nightmarenny

Fakefaux wrote: »

Venom is a drop in the bucket. I'll admit, he was the go-to Spidey villain of the 90s, but that's ~10 years out of a 51 year old series.

Though I do feel you guys aren't giving Ock much credit. Sure, Osborn got the emotional gut punches in there, but for a long time he just wasn't there and Ock was the archnemesis.

And there have been times in the Batman mythos where the Joker wasn't around. He's still always the arch nemesis.

Fakefaux

nightmarenny wrote: »

And there have been times in the Batman mythos where the Joker wasn't around. He's still always the arch nemesis.

Joker's been pretty much a constant for Batman since the Golden age. His absences have never been long. Norman died and disappeared from Spider-Man comics for over twenty years, almost half the history of the comic. For twenty years Ock was the arch nemesis. Then they brought Norman back with the limp Clone Saga, and while he's gained more notoriety outside of the Spidey books in recent years, he hasn't done that much to Peter since the whole clone thing.

Lars

I've always argued that prior to the Clone Saga, Doc Ock was Spider-man's Arch Nemesis.

The original Green Goblin had two things going for him: knowing Peter's identity and killing Gwen. But then he was gone. For like twenty years or so. Other villains would learn Spidey's identity, and other villains would kill supporting cast members (though Marvel would never make as big of a deal about the others as they did for Gwen).

Spidey fought Doc Ock earlier and more often, plus Doc Ock created the original Sinister Six and was much more of a constant menace to Spider-man.

Ever since Norman came back to life he's taken the Arch Nemesis crown, though.

Alternatively, I will accept that prior to the Clone Saga Doc Ock was Spidey's arch nemesis and Norman was Peter's arch nemesis (then after Clone Saga, Norman gets to be both).

TexiKen

Back in the day I always thought it was Venom because that's who the big bad was when I grew up reading the comics. It's more a generational indicator than anything.

Fakefaux

Lars wrote: »

Alternatively, I will accept that prior to the Clone Saga Doc Ock was Spidey's arch nemesis and Norman was Peter's arch nemesis (then after Clone Saga, Norman gets to be both).

See, I'd dispute that last bit. I like Norman a lot, he's one of my favorite Spidey villains, but the Clone Saga was terrible, and what has he done since? He threatened the Marvel universe a bit more than usual as the head of HAMMER, sure, but there really haven't been any great Green Goblin vs Spider-Man stories since he returned from the dead.

Transporter

Spidey's a weird character. I would go as far to say he doesn't have a real defining arch-nemesis, since Spiderhyphenman's villans aren't really the focus of his lore. Peter Parker is.

Hell, I'd say Dating is the closest Spidey gets to an arch-nemesis.

Turambar

I'd say the Goblin too

Peter just hates Norman so goddamn much he's actually tried to kill him
And Norman is insanely obsessed with Spider-Man

Ock might be the more frequent villain, but he's more of a classic villain
The Peter/Norman relationship is something special

I'm sure if Peter walked into a room and it turns out to be filled with all his villains, he'd run straight for Osborn and strangle him

BlankZoe

Yeah, Norman is definitely Peter's arch nemesis

but Ock is a fantastic part of his Rogue's Gallery and I'd say he's the next in line.

WiseManTobes

Fakefaux wrote: »

So, considering all the Spock hullabaloo, I have a question for you guys: who is Peter's archnemesis, Dock Ock or Green Goblin?

I mean, don't get me wrong, Goblin has hurt him the most on a personal level, what with Harry and Gwen. But he was also dead for over twenty years of the series' run (during which time Ock was the go-to- baddie), and even after he came back nobody seemed sure what to do with him so he didn't show up that often. At least, not til Warren Ellis got his hands on him).

Ock's never had that level of impact, but he has been more persistent. Forming the Sinister Six, the whole Master Planner arc, the death of Captain Stacy, nearly marrying Aunt May, now stealing Peter's body. You just can't keep the guy down.

So who has a better claim to the title?

Stiltman

Harry Dresden

Fakefaux wrote: »

nightmarenny wrote: »

And there have been times in the Batman mythos where the Joker wasn't around. He's still always the arch nemesis.

Joker's been pretty much a constant for Batman since the Golden age. His absences have never been long. Norman died and disappeared from Spider-Man comics for over twenty years, almost half the history of the comic. For twenty years Ock was the arch nemesis. Then they brought Norman back with the limp Clone Saga, and while he's gained more notoriety outside of the Spidey books in recent years, he hasn't done that much to Peter since the whole clone thing.

Norman banged Gwen Stacy, killed Ben Reilly, put Flash Thompson in a coma to spite Peter and was the mastermind behind the Clone Saga.

Balefuego

WiseManTobes wrote: »

Fakefaux wrote: »

So, considering all the Spock hullabaloo, I have a question for you guys: who is Peter's archnemesis, Dock Ock or Green Goblin?

I mean, don't get me wrong, Goblin has hurt him the most on a personal level, what with Harry and Gwen. But he was also dead for over twenty years of the series' run (during which time Ock was the go-to- baddie), and even after he came back nobody seemed sure what to do with him so he didn't show up that often. At least, not til Warren Ellis got his hands on him).

Ock's never had that level of impact, but he has been more persistent. Forming the Sinister Six, the whole Master Planner arc, the death of Captain Stacy, nearly marrying Aunt May, now stealing Peter's body. You just can't keep the guy down.

So who has a better claim to the title?

Stiltman

thats Daredevil

Dr. Chaos

Mattitude wrote: »

Not sure if this info is already out, but Dan Slott gave some info about upcoming storylines at London Super Comic-Con this weekend (Spoilers Ahoy!):

-Issue 5 has a pretty important new character.
-Cardiac is back for 2 issues (during the Ramos arc I think)
-Issues 11, 12 and 13 form an arc called 'No Escape'
-'No Escape' takes us back to the raft and features The Lizard.
-He hopes that issue #14 will feature very little dialogue and "Just Explosions".
-Superior Spider-Man is planned ahead as far as mid-2014 at the moment.
-When asked if there was going to be any interaction between Spock and Kaine, Slott replied "There may be story in there" with a wry smile.
-Peter Parker is, apparently, "Dead. Dead. Dead."

Slott's great at panels. Also had some interesting stuff to say about how Marvel NOW came together, how Spider-Island was written, and how the whole One More Day/Brand New Day thing happened. Probably all common knowledge, but nice to hear first hand.

Slott can be very sneaky with words.

Superior Spider-Man still being around next year is a no brainer even if Ock-Man is no longer around, it'll become a secondary Spidey title starring Peter or someone else if Amazing relaunches around the same time.

I'm guessing Slott will have Peter appear to die again once Ock confronts him in their mind but Peter will actually escape somehow into a new body.

Harry Dresden

Dr. Chaos wrote: »

Mattitude wrote: »

Not sure if this info is already out, but Dan Slott gave some info about upcoming storylines at London Super Comic-Con this weekend (Spoilers Ahoy!):

-Issue 5 has a pretty important new character.
-Cardiac is back for 2 issues (during the Ramos arc I think)
-Issues 11, 12 and 13 form an arc called 'No Escape'
-'No Escape' takes us back to the raft and features The Lizard.
-He hopes that issue #14 will feature very little dialogue and "Just Explosions".
-Superior Spider-Man is planned ahead as far as mid-2014 at the moment.
-When asked if there was going to be any interaction between Spock and Kaine, Slott replied "There may be story in there" with a wry smile.
-Peter Parker is, apparently, "Dead. Dead. Dead."

Slott's great at panels. Also had some interesting stuff to say about how Marvel NOW came together, how Spider-Island was written, and how the whole One More Day/Brand New Day thing happened. Probably all common knowledge, but nice to hear first hand.

Slott can be very sneaky with words.

Superior Spider-Man still being around next year is a no brainer even if Ock-Man is no longer around, it'll become a secondary Spidey title starring Peter or someone else if Amazing relaunches around the same time.

I'm guessing Slott will have Ock confronting him in their mind but Peter will take back his body and Ock will be resurrected. The incident will never be mentioned again.

UnbrokenEva

speaking of Norman

Isn't he going to be in for a surprise when he finds he no longer knows Spider-Man as well as the thinks he does

Spock is going to mess with his head something fierce.