Does this mean that when Peter comes back he'll be missing a bunch of memories? Or will they be restored somehow (likely through that brain scan having somehow survived)?
Since originally all of Peter seemed destroyed to the point he couldn't remember his own name I won't be surprised if his other memories are not truly gone but just unreachable.
Even though I'm still sure it's wrong, this reinforces my hunch a little more
But the placement of
The Ghost Pete scenes in the most recent Superior, I'm getting the strangest feeling, he's not in Ock's head, he's in whoever is the Goblin.
I considered that but
Pete says that he only remembers the memories that Spock experienced. Why would that be true if he's not in his head?
Does this mean that when Peter comes back he'll be missing a bunch of memories? Or will they be restored somehow (likely through that brain scan having somehow survived)?
Since originally all of Peter seemed destroyed to the point he couldn't remember his own name I won't be surprised if his other memories are not truly gone but just unreachable.
Even though I'm still sure it's wrong, this reinforces my hunch a little more
But the placement of
The Ghost Pete scenes in the most recent Superior, I'm getting the strangest feeling, he's not in Ock's head, he's in whoever is the Goblin.
I considered that but
Pete says that he only remembers the memories that Spock experienced. Why would that be true if he's not in his head?
Well he only
Remembers the ones Spock kept for himself, because Spock really had no happy memories so he kept a couple and fanfictioned himself into them instead and didn't wipe them out..so those and his core are all he was left with when he made a hail mary jump to a new body
His whole reappearance never seems to directly relate to any of the most recent ock memories, just the stuff from directly before/after the subconscious defeat
Does this mean that when Peter comes back he'll be missing a bunch of memories? Or will they be restored somehow (likely through that brain scan having somehow survived)?
Since originally all of Peter seemed destroyed to the point he couldn't remember his own name I won't be surprised if his other memories are not truly gone but just unreachable.
Even though I'm still sure it's wrong, this reinforces my hunch a little more
But the placement of
The Ghost Pete scenes in the most recent Superior, I'm getting the strangest feeling, he's not in Ock's head, he's in whoever is the Goblin.
I considered that but
Pete says that he only remembers the memories that Spock experienced. Why would that be true if he's not in his head?
Well he only
Remembers the ones Spock kept for himself, because Spock really had no happy memories so he kept a couple and fanfictioned himself into them instead and didn't wipe them out..so those and his core are all he was left with when he made a hail mary jump to a new body
His whole reappearance never seems to directly relate to any of the most recent ock memories, just the stuff from directly before/after the subconscious defeat
I kind of agree with that too also:
didn't we see the gold octobot leaving the hospital before norman's disappearance
Does this mean that when Peter comes back he'll be missing a bunch of memories? Or will they be restored somehow (likely through that brain scan having somehow survived)?
Since originally all of Peter seemed destroyed to the point he couldn't remember his own name I won't be surprised if his other memories are not truly gone but just unreachable.
Even though I'm still sure it's wrong, this reinforces my hunch a little more
But the placement of
The Ghost Pete scenes in the most recent Superior, I'm getting the strangest feeling, he's not in Ock's head, he's in whoever is the Goblin.
Except he "helped" Spock get out of the symbiote in issue 25.
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this is all going to end in just as disappointing a manner as it has proceeded. The ending of superior will disappoint spock and peter fans alike.
it's weird, I was a huge fan of Slott's before he got onto ASM. His She-Hulk remains one of my favorite books, and I really wanted him to write Spider-Man again.
Then he was in a rotation with Joe Kelly, Zeb Wells and Mark Waid, and I saw just how much he wasn't really the best choice.
I enjoyed a lot of things that happened during his run, but the writing itself of those events was always a little... underwhelming. The procession of events never really seemed natural. Like a poor man's Tom Defalco.
Superior is all of Dan's flaws as a writer magnified. Spock as writer's pet has been so embarassingly transparent- #19 and #20 were two of the worst comic books I've ever read, and I've read the Haunted Vagina issue of Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose. And his Peter! It's so close and yet so egregiously, unacceptably far from being right.
And he's never going to leave. The ride never ends.
Writers pet? Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with all of that. Superior has been great and Spock's entire storyline so far could be summed up as "and this is why Spock is worse then Peter at X".
Writers pet? Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with all of that. Superior has been great and Spock's entire storyline so far could be summed up as "and this is why Spock is worse then Peter at X".
Actually, I think it's more like "Here's why Spock could be better at Peter at X, Y, and Z, but his ego and lack of empathy sooner or later make him worse", which is one of the things I like most about Superior.
A bunch of Spock's choices are things Peter should have had the ambition and common sense to do. Get over Mary Jane, finish his damn doctorate, and look into technological ways to make him a more efficient crime fighter. It's just that Spock takes those good ideas and fucks them all up due to his pride and lack of concern for anyone except for a handful of people he cares about.
I've quite enjoyed Superior Spider-Man. The biggest problem for me has been Ock not even trying to sound like Peter. I mean, the guy's personality is completely different, and somehow everyone isn't instantly like "okay something is seriously wrong here"..? Anyone who knew Peter even a little, let alone well, should have been incredibly confused and/or concerned about him. And not just the token remarks we sometimes saw about Pete not being himself or whatever. If one of my friends suddenly started talking and acting the way Peter's been acting, I would sure as hell notice. And I wouldn't just shrug and forget about it. Then of course there's the glaring issue of people who know both Peter and Spider-Man, who would notice that both of them suddenly have the same new personality.
It's still been a really fun ride, but this aspect has really bothered me.
Well, in Pete's defense, the whole way the "finish his doctorate" played out in Superior was absolutely absurd. That's not how doctoral programs work, at all.
Yeah, a lot of them complaints loved at Superior is that no one notices the change, but it's been a constant story thread that people suspect something is off with Peter.
And really, how could anyone guess "Doc Ock took over his mind" ?
I can write off people not noticing because of their exposure to Spock vs. ours as a reader. We see him in all panels and with inner monologue, so to us it's very obvious. Much like a horror movie where you're yelling at the screen "He's right behind you!" It's that sort of accepted blind spot the other characters in the sequences have that as a reader we can't.
Yeah, a lot of them complaints loved at Superior is that no one notices the change, but it's been a constant story thread that people suspect something is off with Peter.
And really, how could anyone guess "Doc Ock took over his mind" ?
Are there any Avengers who haven't been mind-controlled, brainwashed or possessed at some point? Seems like it would be high on the "things to look out for" list.
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All the tests have looked for skrull shape-shifting, physical doppelganger replacement, etc. But Spock's been very careful to steer clear of psychics, or anything else that deals in mental states.
All the tests have looked for skrull shape-shifting, physical doppelganger replacement, etc. But Spock's been very careful to steer clear of psychics, or anything else that deals in mental states.
They even check his mind for tampering but because Otto kept all of Peters memory they couldn't detect any problems.
Its been heavily implied that Tony could have but he was out in space at the time.
All the tests have looked for skrull shape-shifting, physical doppelganger replacement, etc. But Spock's been very careful to steer clear of psychics, or anything else that deals in mental states.
He's also pretty lucky that at this time a lot of the major psychics are either dead, depowered or otherwise unavailable.
All the tests have looked for skrull shape-shifting, physical doppelganger replacement, etc. But Spock's been very careful to steer clear of psychics, or anything else that deals in mental states.
He's also pretty lucky that at this time a lot of the major psychics are either dead, depowered or otherwise unavailable.
This really was the best oportunity for Oc to do this. Also up till Goblin War, he hadn't done anything that would have really warranted more after those initial tests.
All the tests have looked for skrull shape-shifting, physical doppelganger replacement, etc. But Spock's been very careful to steer clear of psychics, or anything else that deals in mental states.
He's also pretty lucky that at this time a lot of the major psychics are either dead, depowered or otherwise unavailable.
The X-men have a few they can borrow.
Yeah, see, Wolverine's X-Men did show up with Rachel to do just that, and than copped out when Spider-Ock objected, because someone being mind controlled would never object to having their mind read.
I haven't read all of Slott's run, but I've enjoyed bits and pieces, this felt a bit anticlimatic to me.
Like Spocks reason to do what he does didn't jive with me. It didn't feel like he was at the end of is rope, nor that he had been beaten down to the point of no return.
Maybe that's the point? That he can't take half of what Peter's taken before giving up? Still I would have prefer to seen him gone done swinging than 'give up' like he did.
Yeah, I was really hoping that the big, epic ending to the whole Superior storyline would be more than just
Otto stroking Peter's ego. Because, really, the idea that Peter Parker, Master Of Competence, would have been able to avoid this whole secret Goblin plan from coming to fruition because he's less of a jerk than Spock doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense to me.
Yeah, I was really hoping that the big, epic ending to the whole Superior storyline would be more than just
Otto stroking Peter's ego. Because, really, the idea that Peter Parker, Master Of Competence, would have been able to avoid this whole secret Goblin plan from coming to fruition because he's less of a jerk than Spock doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense to me.
RE: Ending the Superior storyline
I think it was a good run but I'm mostly in the same boat as you. I was hoping for more of an epic "guns blazing, going down swinging" ending. Instead we got "I'm a huge jerk and this wouldn't have happened if you were running the show so now I'm going to CTRL+Z you back in to your body".
The final line of the book was pretty good, though.
Yeah, I was really hoping that the big, epic ending to the whole Superior storyline would be more than just
Otto stroking Peter's ego. Because, really, the idea that Peter Parker, Master Of Competence, would have been able to avoid this whole secret Goblin plan from coming to fruition because he's less of a jerk than Spock doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense to me.
Except that
A reason that things got this bad was Spock's reliance on his spiderbots monitoring the city and constantly handing off things to the cops when he didn't deem it worth his time. Things wouldn't have escalated nearly this much with Peter.
Regarding the ending:
I liked it. The whole run has been Spock trying to be a hero but constantly being brought down by his ego, so it was a nice character moment when he finally realizes it.
Yeah, I was really hoping that the big, epic ending to the whole Superior storyline would be more than just
Otto stroking Peter's ego. Because, really, the idea that Peter Parker, Master Of Competence, would have been able to avoid this whole secret Goblin plan from coming to fruition because he's less of a jerk than Spock doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense to me.
Except that
A reason that things got this bad was Spock's reliance on his spiderbots monitoring the city and constantly handing off things to the cops when he didn't deem it worth his time. Things wouldn't have escalated nearly this much with Peter.
Regarding the ending:
I liked it. The whole run has been Spock trying to be a hero but constantly being brought down by his ego, so it was a nice character moment when he finally realizes it.
Ending
I'm just left with a bit of a sour taste that the moral of this Spider-Man story seems to be "Once you realize your pride has led you to make a tragic mistake, you should kill yourself".
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I considered that but
Well he only
His whole reappearance never seems to directly relate to any of the most recent ock memories, just the stuff from directly before/after the subconscious defeat
I kind of agree with that too also:
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Damnit, I want this to happen.
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Gillen just did that in Young Avengers though
it's weird, I was a huge fan of Slott's before he got onto ASM. His She-Hulk remains one of my favorite books, and I really wanted him to write Spider-Man again.
Then he was in a rotation with Joe Kelly, Zeb Wells and Mark Waid, and I saw just how much he wasn't really the best choice.
I enjoyed a lot of things that happened during his run, but the writing itself of those events was always a little... underwhelming. The procession of events never really seemed natural. Like a poor man's Tom Defalco.
Superior is all of Dan's flaws as a writer magnified. Spock as writer's pet has been so embarassingly transparent- #19 and #20 were two of the worst comic books I've ever read, and I've read the Haunted Vagina issue of Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose. And his Peter! It's so close and yet so egregiously, unacceptably far from being right.
And he's never going to leave. The ride never ends.
Actually, I think it's more like "Here's why Spock could be better at Peter at X, Y, and Z, but his ego and lack of empathy sooner or later make him worse", which is one of the things I like most about Superior.
A bunch of Spock's choices are things Peter should have had the ambition and common sense to do. Get over Mary Jane, finish his damn doctorate, and look into technological ways to make him a more efficient crime fighter. It's just that Spock takes those good ideas and fucks them all up due to his pride and lack of concern for anyone except for a handful of people he cares about.
It's still been a really fun ride, but this aspect has really bothered me.
MJ, Carlie, and Captain Watanabe have noticed.
And even aunt may and her husband have noticed.
As have the avengers.
And really, how could anyone guess "Doc Ock took over his mind" ?
Are there any Avengers who haven't been mind-controlled, brainwashed or possessed at some point? Seems like it would be high on the "things to look out for" list.
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They even check his mind for tampering but because Otto kept all of Peters memory they couldn't detect any problems.
Its been heavily implied that Tony could have but he was out in space at the time.
He's also pretty lucky that at this time a lot of the major psychics are either dead, depowered or otherwise unavailable.
The X-men have a few they can borrow.
This really was the best oportunity for Oc to do this. Also up till Goblin War, he hadn't done anything that would have really warranted more after those initial tests.
Yeah, see, Wolverine's X-Men did show up with Rachel to do just that, and than copped out when Spider-Ock objected, because someone being mind controlled would never object to having their mind read.
Just another Wolverine failure. :P
Acting a little fruity doesn't mean you lose your right to privacy.
I will say i enjoyed the run. And you knew the almighty 'status quo' would return.... but.... ctrl-c is a bit lame an ending.
Maybe that's the point? That he can't take half of what Peter's taken before giving up? Still I would have prefer to seen him gone done swinging than 'give up' like he did.
RE: Ending the Superior storyline
The final line of the book was pretty good, though.
Except that
Regarding the ending:
Ending
Because, you know, that's not really what I expect from a Spider-Man story.
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CRAP I mean X.