I mean she looks attractive enough, but to say that people are getting real therapy from her is laughable. Shit you could probably get better therapy from banging a craiglist hooker and cheaper too.
I'm not convinced that there is an appreciable difference in benefit to someone between talking to an actual therapist and talking to someone who is a good listener.
A good listener wouldn't have helped me nearly as well as EMDR has helped me with my PTSD.
EMDR is so weird. It seems so pseudoscientific on its surface but it works.
Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
Actually directing the conversation is part of that whole therapy thing, so it is more than just being a good listener. You have to know what questions to ask and direct people to certain realizations and conclusions.
The core technique in CBT is something called 'challenging,' it's basically getting the client to look at their assumptions and behavior patterns and emotions with a critical eye and offer counterpoints. It's not hard, it's pretty intuitive, and the only difficult part for the therapist is choosing your battles. You don't want to challenge so much that you alienate the patient, you don't want to challenge so little that you validate their unhealthy habits, and you want to challenge the ideas/behaviors/feelings that are relevant. You also want to help them build up healthy cognition and behaviors, but don't want to inadvertently substitute your own biases in place of the client's.
There are other techniques, of course, but CBT is largely centered around that model.
And it's not rocket science.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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PasserbyeI am much older than you.in Beach CityRegistered Userregular
I mean she looks attractive enough, but to say that people are getting real therapy from her is laughable. Shit you could probably get better therapy from banging a craiglist hooker and cheaper too.
I'm not convinced that there is an appreciable difference in benefit to someone between talking to an actual therapist and talking to someone who is a good listener.
A good listener wouldn't have helped me nearly as well as EMDR has helped me with my PTSD.
EMDR is so weird. It seems so pseudoscientific on its surface but it works.
Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
Eh, even if all of the theoretical basis is bullshit it's possible that it is just very effectively utilizes the placebo effect, like it generates a lot of confidence due to some combination of plausibility, the appearance of a strong scientific basis, and the subject's own perception of being treated.
EMDR does really sound like pseudoscience on the surface
someone who knows more about it give me a better general overview
Of how it works? Or what a session feels like? Or what?
yes
The Wikipedia article can do a better job. As to why it works, the real answer is "Damned if we know". The theory as it's been explained to me is that for some trauma victims, the stress and emotion causes memories to not integrate correctly. So we fixate on them. The eye movement/body movement along with the counseling is supposed to give us an environment we can integrate the memory.
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PasserbyeI am much older than you.in Beach CityRegistered Userregular
Actually directing the conversation is part of that whole therapy thing, so it is more than just being a good listener. You have to know what questions to ask and direct people to certain realizations and conclusions.
The core technique in CBT is something called 'challenging,' it's basically getting the client to look at their assumptions and behavior patterns and emotions with a critical eye and offer counterpoints. It's not hard, it's pretty intuitive, and the only difficult part for the therapist is choosing your battles. You don't want to challenge so much that you alienate the patient, you don't want to challenge so little that you validate their unhealthy habits, and you want to challenge the ideas/behaviors/feelings that are relevant. You also want to help them build up healthy cognition and behaviors, but don't want to inadvertently substitute your own biases in place of the client's.
There are other techniques, of course, but CBT is largely centered around that model.
And it's not rocket science.
This is basically what I do naturally when I talk to people about their problems :P.
God I have used it so much talking to my ex-girlfriend.
I agree Feral, it isn't rocket science but I think it does take some training and experience to get to the point where you help people.
Yeah, the experience helps. That's why counseling psych programs are leaning more and more towards supervised internships and less towards classroom learning. That way you get in there and start working with clients right away, which is what novice therapists really need.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I'm also a big proponent on continued learning. Instead of front-loading peoples' education in their 20s, we should be getting people out there and working and returning to the classroom every 2-3 years to keep abreast of the basics and learn about new developments.
I feel this way about medical practitioners too, BTW.
Feral on
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
I mean she looks attractive enough, but to say that people are getting real therapy from her is laughable. Shit you could probably get better therapy from banging a craiglist hooker and cheaper too.
I'm not convinced that there is an appreciable difference in benefit to someone between talking to an actual therapist and talking to someone who is a good listener.
A good listener wouldn't have helped me nearly as well as EMDR has helped me with my PTSD.
EMDR is so weird. It seems so pseudoscientific on its surface but it works.
Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
Eh, even if all of the theoretical basis is bullshit it's possible that it is just very effectively utilizes the placebo effect, like it generates a lot of confidence due to some combination of plausibility, the appearance of a strong scientific basis, and the subject's own perception of being treated.
There have been some comparison studies that have looked at outcomes of EMDR verse pill placebo and EMDR does significantly better.
I'm also a big proponent on continued learning. Instead of front-loading peoples' education in their 20s, we should be getting people out there and working and returning to the classroom every 2-3 years to keep abreast of the basics and learn about new developments.
I feel this way about medical practitioners too, BTW.
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Yep, I was skeptical at first but my therapist pointed me to a bunch of meta-analyses of it and while they can't seem to explain it, it has comparable success rates to SSRI and straight talk therapy treatments. For me, my course of treatment is Talk therapy, EMDR, and group therapy. It's been effective enough that I've been able to avoid going back on SSRIs.
no haters please
Of how it works? Or what a session feels like? Or what?
yes
The core technique in CBT is something called 'challenging,' it's basically getting the client to look at their assumptions and behavior patterns and emotions with a critical eye and offer counterpoints. It's not hard, it's pretty intuitive, and the only difficult part for the therapist is choosing your battles. You don't want to challenge so much that you alienate the patient, you don't want to challenge so little that you validate their unhealthy habits, and you want to challenge the ideas/behaviors/feelings that are relevant. You also want to help them build up healthy cognition and behaviors, but don't want to inadvertently substitute your own biases in place of the client's.
There are other techniques, of course, but CBT is largely centered around that model.
And it's not rocket science.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I wish I could but I don't like cooked oranges. And 'tofu scramble' sounds terrible.
Still, not hating. If you like it, huzzah for you. :^:
Face Twit Rav Gram
no de-veganizing ray plz
Face Twit Rav Gram
such a hater
:P
I am not a GW nerd, sorry.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Eh, even if all of the theoretical basis is bullshit it's possible that it is just very effectively utilizes the placebo effect, like it generates a lot of confidence due to some combination of plausibility, the appearance of a strong scientific basis, and the subject's own perception of being treated.
I am an opportunistic omnivore, do I meet your qualifications?
40K is visible but obscured by its cost and so is relatively niche compared to standard nerdery.
The Wikipedia article can do a better job. As to why it works, the real answer is "Damned if we know". The theory as it's been explained to me is that for some trauma victims, the stress and emotion causes memories to not integrate correctly. So we fixate on them. The eye movement/body movement along with the counseling is supposed to give us an environment we can integrate the memory.
I'm not so much either, I just like the Dark Heresy game I've been playing.
Still, </3.
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This is basically what I do naturally when I talk to people about their problems :P.
God I have used it so much talking to my ex-girlfriend.
NSFW language
also hilarious
I say it's all just wind in sails.
:?:
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Yeah, the experience helps. That's why counseling psych programs are leaning more and more towards supervised internships and less towards classroom learning. That way you get in there and start working with clients right away, which is what novice therapists really need.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I still have a pile of clothes to put away but no room in my closet for them all.
:sigh:
the 3ds can watch netflix????
Years later the irony is not lost on me.
I feel this way about medical practitioners too, BTW.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
There have been some comparison studies that have looked at outcomes of EMDR verse pill placebo and EMDR does significantly better.
and are playing things like
nirvana
radiohead
lauryn hill
collective soul - as an example of something ... scrungy
its amusing
The wiki entry is an interesting read.
i feel this way about
well everything ever
To explain an obscure reference.
I don't know if such a thing has been done yet.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
THIS FOOD
I know it's been tested against pill placebo and straight talk therapy and come out ahead in terms of effectiveness.
or the idea of eating breakfast
unfortunately, I wasn't constipated