If James Robinson had burned his scripts for Cry for Justice, wouldn't that have benefitted his reputation?
The early Invincible art was nowhere near that bad, though. If Howard Chaykin or modern Greg Land wanted to start burning stuff, I think people would be applauding them online.
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I don't care what he does with his art, but to photograph burning the art and then putting it online is just dumb. And then the businessman part of me thinks why not just sell it off? Those first two photos show some art that could easily sell for a 100-200 bucks a pop.
Yeah it's subjective, but his art is on a technical level, head and shoulders above Liefeld or Land's tracing.
And it's clearly loved and respected by fans. The analogy of a shitty song a musician wrote on the toilet doesn't work because it wasn't published. This was, it had already been released to the public and the public loved it.
Yet again, the dude can do whatever he wants with it, but I am sure there are some fans that would have freaked to get some of the original Invincible art and some charities that could have used the money.
Yeah, on the other hand, those aren't just random sketches and commissions, but rather early stage work for a series that lots of people love. It's not just about the quality of the art, then, but also its personal value to fans and historical value to the the series/genre as a whole.
In retrospect, I agree that he shouldn't have burned it. Some fans would've really cherished that work.
My LCS has massively raised their prices on bags and boards (2 years ago, you got them free just for having a pull list). So where can I get a good deal on some new long-boxes, bags, and boards online?
If James Robinson had burned his scripts for Cry for Justice, wouldn't that have benefitted his reputation?
The early Invincible art was nowhere near that bad, though. If Howard Chaykin or modern Greg Land wanted to start burning stuff, I think people would be applauding them online.
So Land is going to burn a bunch of porno and some magazines?
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The plot of "Spider Island" sees "over 16,000 New Yorkers" developing powers similar to Spider-Man's, including, as noted in the Attack of the Show segment, Hawkeye and Shocker. The situation — and subsequent spider-powered crime wave leads to Mayor J. Jonah Jameson placing Manhattan under quarantine.
Art shown included Shocker with six arms, what looked to be Carlie Cooper with wall-crawling abilities, the Green Hulk in an outfit similar to the Tony Stark-built "Iron Spider-Man" costume, and a character resembling classic Spider-Man villain (and original Clone Saga mastermind) The Jackal.
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Marvel is proud to announce Spider-Island, the comic book event of the summer from the best-selling creative team of Dan Slott and Humberto Ramos. Kicking off this August in Amazing Spider-Man #667 (with a special prelude in #666) the citizens of Manhattan—including some of Spidey’s closest allies and deadliest foes—begin exhibiting the web-slinger’s very own powers! But as Spider-Man must stop a seemingly insurmountable super powered crime wave, he must also find out just who’s responsible for mutating Manhattan…and the truth will irrevocably alter his world. Fans will get their first full-length lead in to Spider-Island in Marvel’s special issue of Amazing Spider-Man, available for free at all participating comic shops on May 7th, Free Comic Book Day.
“Back when Slott launched Spider-Man into the ‘Big Time’ last year, he started laying the groundwork for possibly the biggest Spider-Man story you’ve ever seen,” said Stephen Wacker, Marvel Senior Editor. “The price of power is high for heroes and villains. The Avengers, the FF, Venom, Spider-Girl, Spider-Woman, the Sinister Six and even YOU are connected to ol’ Web-Head in new ways. By the end of this story, we’re going to see what Spider-Man means to Marvel Universe and just how far he’ll go to keep it safe…including some life-changing choices that have major consequences.”
This summer, Spider-Island brings great power to nearly everyone in New York City…and it’s Spidey’s great responsibility to keep this chaos from spreading even further! But just what will Spider-Man have to sacrifice in the process?
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I really wish "major consequences" and "big time changes" and "big plans" would never be used by the publishers ever again in talking about upcoming things.
I really wish "major consequences" and "big time changes" and "big plans" would never be used by the publishers ever again in talking about upcoming things.
I don't understand how you're not used to hype by this point, especially from Marvel.
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I really wish "major consequences" and "big time changes" and "big plans" would never be used by the publishers ever again in talking about upcoming things.
I don't understand how you're not used to hype by this point, especially from Marvel.
It's more them never learning their lesson. With Spider-Man especially, like The Other, House of M, revealing his identity, these are all recent things they just hyped up which offered very little payoff.
If they would change how they do press releases and promote their upcoming work it would have more weight to it actually being something new and different. I mean really, that quote you posted last night about what Spider-Island contained would work a lot better being connected to the art promos (except for the Jackal, just never mention him ever again the Marvel Universe).
Marvel is proud to announce Spider-Island, the comic book event of the summer from the best-selling creative team of Dan Slott and Humberto Ramos. Kicking off this August in Amazing Spider-Man #667 (with a special prelude in #666) the citizens of Manhattan—including some of Spidey’s closest allies and deadliest foes—begin exhibiting the web-slinger’s very own powers! But as Spider-Man must stop an easily surmountable super powered crime wave, he must also find out just who’s responsible for mutating Manhattan…and the truth will alter his world until the next writer eventually changes that. Fans will get their first full-length lead in to Spider-Island in Marvel’s special issue of Amazing Spider-Man, available for free at all participating comic shops on May 7th, Free Comic Book Day.
“Back when Slott launched Spider-Man into the ‘Big Time’ last year, he started laying the groundwork for a Spider-Man story,” said Stephen Wacker, Marvel Senior Editor. “The price of power is the same as it always was for heroes and villains. The Avengers, the FF, Venom, Spider-Girl, Spider-Woman, the Sinister Six and even YOU are connected to ol’ Web-Head in the same exact way, by reading. By the end of this story, we’re going to see what Spider-Man means to Marvel Universe and just how some other things you already know…including some choices that might have consequences.”
This summer, Spider-Island brings great power to nearly everyone in New York City…and it’s Spidey’s great responsibility, as always, to keep this chaos from spreading even further! But just what will Spider-Man have to sacrifice in the process?
From now on, just tell me what books you are interested in Tex, and I'll cater the solicits to your expectations.
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It's not a solicit though, it's a press release. And that's not what I'm talking about at all.
Marvel's press releases always read like they came from a template that the little paperclip in Microsoft Office; same general flow, a quote from a creator or editor, final sentence. For Spider-Island all you need to do is show those 3 or 4 pages plus the title at the bottom and a quote or two, let the reader infer from the name "Spider Island" what is going to happen between ASM 660-665 or whatever. You show people swinging around, and heroes in spider-man outfits and they will figure out what is being promoted. No more quotes from the editor or creator about how this is the greatest thing ever because it's just been used way too much. Marvel actually did the "show, don't tell" thing rather well with Civil War. Because here's the thing at the end of the day, the Press Releases don't really do anything the promo pages in books or shops do better.
I guess that's really what I'm getting at, the Press Release in the comics world is redundant. It should only be used to announce something outside of the actual comics, like creators being exclusive or a drop in prices.
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The early Invincible art was nowhere near that bad, though. If Howard Chaykin or modern Greg Land wanted to start burning stuff, I think people would be applauding them online.
Whether or not a particular work merits destruction is a different, entirely subjective matter.
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And it's clearly loved and respected by fans. The analogy of a shitty song a musician wrote on the toilet doesn't work because it wasn't published. This was, it had already been released to the public and the public loved it.
Yet again, the dude can do whatever he wants with it, but I am sure there are some fans that would have freaked to get some of the original Invincible art and some charities that could have used the money.
In retrospect, I agree that he shouldn't have burned it. Some fans would've really cherished that work.
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So Land is going to burn a bunch of porno and some magazines?
so I really don't know what to make of that
To the surprise of no one.
I'm going to assume that's how the joke is supposed to be echoing in my head. If so, AAAAAAAAA
Yes.
He will hate himself even more now
YESSSSS
Am I the only one who read this and thought of Kidomaru from Naruto?
Yeah, I probably am. :oops:
Even though I doubt they will actually wear those.
I don't understand how you're not used to hype by this point, especially from Marvel.
It's more them never learning their lesson. With Spider-Man especially, like The Other, House of M, revealing his identity, these are all recent things they just hyped up which offered very little payoff.
If they would change how they do press releases and promote their upcoming work it would have more weight to it actually being something new and different. I mean really, that quote you posted last night about what Spider-Island contained would work a lot better being connected to the art promos (except for the Jackal, just never mention him ever again the Marvel Universe).
Better?
Yesssssss
Marvel's press releases always read like they came from a template that the little paperclip in Microsoft Office; same general flow, a quote from a creator or editor, final sentence. For Spider-Island all you need to do is show those 3 or 4 pages plus the title at the bottom and a quote or two, let the reader infer from the name "Spider Island" what is going to happen between ASM 660-665 or whatever. You show people swinging around, and heroes in spider-man outfits and they will figure out what is being promoted. No more quotes from the editor or creator about how this is the greatest thing ever because it's just been used way too much. Marvel actually did the "show, don't tell" thing rather well with Civil War. Because here's the thing at the end of the day, the Press Releases don't really do anything the promo pages in books or shops do better.
I guess that's really what I'm getting at, the Press Release in the comics world is redundant. It should only be used to announce something outside of the actual comics, like creators being exclusive or a drop in prices.
See if your shop joined in on the mayhem.
edit: and New Avengers covers for the Hero Initiative. Previous covers are here
Tigra on the Amanda Connor one, ewwwww:
This one is just adorable though:
My friend got a quick She-Hulk sketch from her at NYCC.
I got a Power Girl.
Amanda Conner is the sweetest comic artist.