I am actually looking at both of those right now too (as soon as newegg gets my damn old board back and gives me mah money). As far as I can tell, the fatality supports 32gb of RAM and I think the other only does 16. Other than that personally I haven't been able to tell... $30 for radical color scheme!
I don't know. I would like to know this as well because I'm pretty much down to one of those two
I am actually looking at both of those right now too (as soon as newegg gets my damn old board back and gives me mah money). As far as I can tell, the fatality supports 32gb of RAM and I think the other only does 16. Other than that personally I haven't been able to tell... $30 for radical color scheme!
I don't know. I would like to know this as well because I'm pretty much down to one of those two
It says maximum supported memory for both is 32gb, so I think the extra $30 is actually for the color scheme. I mean there really is no other difference that I can see from the Newegg pages.
Also, my changing my build around to crossfire 6950's instead of 6970's, plus that cheaper motherboard, brings the price to around $1850
Ok, so I'm putting together a wishlist for a potential near-future build (pending approval from the wife). The goal is to put together the cheapest build possible while maintaining some vaguely unidentified threshold of performance. What I came up with is $800 after tax and shipping (including Win7). Just thought I'd get everyone's opinions. Any place I could cut back without losing anything? Any place I should put more money? Thanks.
NZXT Gamma ($40)
ECS A890GXM-A(2.0) ($130)
Phenom II X4 995 BE ($140)
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3 1600 ($48)
HIS 6850HD ($170)
WD Caviar Blue 500GB WD5000AAKX ($40)
Antec True Power New TP-750 Modular ($90)
Win7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM ($100)
How would it compare if I were to spend the extra cash on an i5?
MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) ($150)
i5-2300 SB ($185)
The Extreme6 does not appear to have an IDE port nor does its specs list support for UEFI (though googling it indicates that it does support UEFI?). However the price difference could come from the "1 x Fatal1ty Mouse Port (USB 2.0)" and how that's different from a plain USB 2.0 port I don't know.
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========================= Aumni: I don't know if you're dead-set on a full upgrade, but since your CPU is only a 1.8 GHz C2D I'm thinking you could get away with going for a used Q6600 - even a used Q9x50 if your motherboard supports 45nm LGA 775's - and that itself would be a strong improvement. That said, I think you spend a tad too much of your budget on the GPU and would rebalance it as such:
$252 - i5-2500k + Cooler Master Hyper 212+
$250 - MSI GTX 560 Twin Frozr $150 - Corsair 650W V2 + Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (not counting $10 coupon on the HDD) $150 - 8GB DDR3-1333 Ripjaws (comes with 2GB Flash Drive) + CM 690 (1st version/$10 MIR) (several strong combos with the RAM)
$120 - MSI P67 Board
By downgrading one step on the GPU, we get a much better PSU, Case, and CPU cooler while coming out ahead by $25-30.
Subtotal: $922
========================= Doctor Deimos: I echo Alecthar and suggest going for Crossfire 6950s if you're going to CF out of the gate since each GPU is $70-90 more for about a 10% increase per GPU.
========================= UEAKCrash: Looks fine for that budget; though I would go for the lighter motherboard and a 120GB Intel SSD, I don't know your needs, which is what's really important here. Don't forget to grab combos as appropriate like the i5-2500k/Hyper 212 linked above.
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Actually, I'm of the opinion that the Z9 is a superior case to the original CM 690. The cable management on the original 690 really isn't that great. That HDD cage isn't removable, so I doubt the card clearance is that much better than the Z9.
So the mobo came in today and I spent all my time getting most everything put together with the exception of the RAM (comes tomorrow) and the 2 fans on the 212 since I need to see about clearance with my RAM first.
Pictures will be coming shortly, but since all I have is my crapass camera phone, I really only took posing shots and end shots, didn't get much along the way if at all.
EDIT: PICTURES!
Took both sides off of the case as well as the front and put in the PSU. With the Z9 Plus, it gives you the option of mounting the PSU with the fan up OR down, so both ways really... and that came in handy since it can get kinda dusty and I have a more plushy carpet so the fan was turned UP as it wouldn't be getting enough air from the bottom.
This thing is pretty big, especially when you put a 2nd fan on it.
ASRock Extreme 4 with its extras... thing was packed really nice.
PSU installed and a nice open shot of the case.
Front panel taken off for access to drive bays. Very easy to remove and put back as the power button cables are easy disconnects so you can completely remove the front panel and not worry about still having wires attached.
This just fascinates me to no end, but the little grill area where the mobo goes and just above the PSU isn't there for the mobo. On the back side there are mounting holes so you can put a 2.5" HD or SSD on the back side of the mobo and have it hidden away. Not sure it's a good idea with heat, but fascinating nonetheless.
Backside of case, here you can see the standoffs for mounting the hidden drive as well as several places to use tie-downs for cable mgmt.
After the install for the most part. Again, still have RAM and the fans on the heatsink as well as another HD from the old system to put in, but for the most part, it went very well.
Now, here's where I have my worries... the heatsink is mounted and screwed tight, but I can still rotate the damn thing on its base a little bit and I can't figure out if it should be like that or if there's something to screw it down tighter to the cpu in the middle. Also, the backplate mount for the heatsink is basically partly sitting on the back of the case plate, the mounting studs for sure. I don't know if this is okay or not, but it still worries me.
Obligatory "Baby Got Back" shot...
Front Panel Audio cable pisses me off because there's VERY little room seperating the PSU from the mobo and so the cable is basically having to rest right on top of the PSU along the edge. I think it's more ASRock's fault for putting the damn header all the way over there.
Love that little silver line on the Blu-Ray drive, gives the front a little touch of class instead of it being just pure black.
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edited March 2011
So, Hoover, how was the Z9, build-wise. I recommended it largely because of its competitive price and excellent feature set (for the money). Was it nice to build in? How was the cable management? Basically, :^: or :v:?
So, Hoover, how was the Z9, build-wise. I recommended it largely because of its competitive price and excellent feature set (for the money). Was it nice to build in? How was the cable management? Basically, :^: or :v:?
It's very sturdy and no sharp panels throughout the whole build to slice myself on so that was nice. The only real downside I see to this is the fact that there's basically no space between the PSU and a full size ATX board and for the absolute best cable management, i'd say you'd be doing yourself a disservice getting anything but a modular PSU. I had so much shit to stuff that I basically ran out of room on the back to fit stuff and had to find other places to route stuff with my non-modular Corsair.
Once I finish the thing tomorrow and start it up and see what the thermals and noise is like then I can give you a better recommendation, right now though i'm quite happy in that no band-aids were needed for once.
My PC is freezing accompanied by a sound loop when I play games so I figure it's time to flash the BIOS before I buy a whole new motherboard for my aging system. Trouble is the motherboard was made by EPOX and they have gone out of business. I don't want to take a chance with google so what site is reliable for downloading older chipset drivers and BIOS?
My motherboard is an EPOX ep-8vtai BUT it was later renamed ep-8krai pro. I can get the chipset drivers from VIA's website.
So, Hoover, how was the Z9, build-wise. I recommended it largely because of its competitive price and excellent feature set (for the money). Was it nice to build in? How was the cable management? Basically, :^: or :v:?
It's very sturdy and no sharp panels throughout the whole build to slice myself on so that was nice. The only real downside I see to this is the fact that there's basically no space between the PSU and a full size ATX board and for the absolute best cable management, i'd say you'd be doing yourself a disservice getting anything but a modular PSU. I had so much shit to stuff that I basically ran out of room on the back to fit stuff and had to find other places to route stuff with my non-modular Corsair.
Once I finish the thing tomorrow and start it up and see what the thermals and noise is like then I can give you a better recommendation, right now though i'm quite happy in that no band-aids were needed for once.
To be fair, my full tower with a bottom mounted PSU pretty much comes right up to the bottom of the motherboard too so it's apparently unavoidable no matter what you try to do.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15720445
OK, this would be a very basic machine for work. If it works out, we may buy several of the same pieces and build machines for my co-workers. The only problem is, many of my co-workers like Mac OS--does anyone who is knowledgeable know if this will run Mac OSX?
It won't officially run Mac OSX. You can create a "hackintosh" system, but that violates Apple's TOS/License agreement, you won't be able to get support for it, etc etc. I've never gone the hackintosh route, so I don't know how easy it is. If it's for work, I'd say it just isn't worth it.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15720445
OK, this would be a very basic machine for work. If it works out, we may buy several of the same pieces and build machines for my co-workers. The only problem is, many of my co-workers like Mac OS--does anyone who is knowledgeable know if this will run Mac OSX?
The way to do relatively painless hackintosh is to visit hackintosh-enthusiast forums, find hardware that has been demonstrated to work, and then buy that hardware. Having done a few hackintoshes I don't think it's worth it (I just buy Apple hardware if I want to run OSX). I had a laptop that was "supported," but QE/CI didn't work and that alone was a deal-breaker, because if I can't have the shiny on because hardware acceleration of graphics is not supported then what's the point of running OSX? Other problem areas are LAN, WIFI, bluetooth, audio, and power management, where a lot of PC hardware just doesn't work with OSX.
but then I read this "Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. and to APO/FPO addresses. For APO/FPO shipments, please check with the manufacturer regarding warranty and support issues." What's that mean?
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Aumni- you're supposed to get an email from them, I never did but I think I deleted it on accident.
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edited March 2011
I would not have been able to mount my CPU cooler before I put the motherboard into the chassis.
Getting the motherboard in place was the most difficult thing for me, I had to press and prone it soooooo hard to make the holes line up. It was a P7P55D in an Antec 300 for reference, so much brutal pressing had to be applied it took me a total of 3hours just to get angry and willing enough to force it in.
but then I read this "Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. and to APO/FPO addresses. For APO/FPO shipments, please check with the manufacturer regarding warranty and support issues." What's that mean?
Not sure what that's supposed to mean as the Microsoft's OEM System Builder EULA specifically disclaims any warranty and provides the software "as-is" and also puts the onus of software support on the System Builder.
APO is Army post office and FPO is fleet post office so I would assume just military. I think embassies and the like are DPOs. They're all basically just oversees PO boxes
AlectharAlan ShoreWe're not territorial about that sort of thing, are we?Registered Userregular
edited April 2011
So, I have a new, never been used stock-clocked EVGA 580 GTX that I'm looking to sell for $400.00 or so (haven't decided on shipping as I don't know how much it will cost to ship, I plan to get a rough price shortly). At one point I opened the box to admire its awesomeness, but it's still sealed in its anti-static bag and seated in its really pretty damn nice foam casing. If anyone has any interest, please feel free to PM me, I'm happy to provide pictures, embarassing family stories, and any other private information you feel might be needed to provide insurance against my devious and malicious nature.
As for why, I've decided to run a different model 580 GTX (one with both Displayport and HDMI) in my build, and would love to recoup most of the cost of the EVGA model.
Finally finished up everything today and got the RAM and fans on the heatsink installed and spare drive out of the old PC put in.
This thing has a pretty nominal hum to it, same as my old one (Antec P180) and is quite nice as long as the Radeon fan doesn't start, then it gets loud but that's normal.
CPU is staying steady around 28-29C and my thermal diode in the case setup inbetween the GPU and the CPU heatsink is constantly reading 23C.
So, my CPU cooler came today. But I won't install it until tomorrow, because this crappy Xigmatek clearance case is coming tomorrow...and I need to rob a couple standoffs out of that new case to go in this system, since I apparently threw the extras out when I installed my old motherboard (which, while still a full ATX, was smaller).
So I figure I'll just take care of it all at once, once that case comes tomorrow.
That new case is what I'll throw my old gear into (still haven't decided whether to swap out my HTPC's Core 2 Duo for the Core 2 Quad I just replaced with the i5), and I'll probably just keep it around as a spare computer. The value I'd be likely to get out of selling it (either as parts or as a whole) is right on the cusp of what I feel it'd be worth to just keep it.
Okay, so I opened the box and it was just far too sexy not to be in mah computer, coolin mah cores.
Holy shit was that a much more pleasant experience than installing the stock Intel bullshit. Stick the backplate on the rear of the motherboard, and screw in the fucking spring clips. I mean, toolless is fuckawesome and all, right up until you hear a POP and wonder if that was the stupid little push clip going in, or the traces on your motherboard snapping in two.
Also, day-am. Fourteen degrees (C) cooler under a stress test than the stock cooler...and it wasn't maxing out fan RPM (1800 of 2200). So this is just as cool as the motherboard felt like keeping it, not the coolest it could go.
So yeah, I give the Xigmatek 1283 series (I got the Dark Knight, because it came with the 1156/1155 bracket) two thumbs up!
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edited April 2011
I desperately need to clean out this PC and rewire/move fans around/add fans/reseat the cooler...
I was too chicken to mount my H50 as a rear intake, I don't even remember why. Shit, I should probably set it up to Push/Pull with some real fans, while I'm at it.
I know next to nothing about cases, but $70 with free shipping seems like a good deal for that case; I have friends who have similar ones, and they seem really nice.
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AlectharAlan ShoreWe're not territorial about that sort of thing, are we?Registered Userregular
I know next to nothing about cases, but $70 with free shipping seems like a good deal for that case; I have friends who have similar ones, and they seem really nice.
The Storm Scout is solid, fairly good cable management, though no 8 pin cutout, but I'd bet you can get that connector in under and over the motherboard through the CPU backplate cutout. I'd say $70 shipped to your door is really good.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157231
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157240
I am actually looking at both of those right now too (as soon as newegg gets my damn old board back and gives me mah money). As far as I can tell, the fatality supports 32gb of RAM and I think the other only does 16. Other than that personally I haven't been able to tell... $30 for radical color scheme!
I don't know. I would like to know this as well because I'm pretty much down to one of those two
It says maximum supported memory for both is 32gb, so I think the extra $30 is actually for the color scheme. I mean there really is no other difference that I can see from the Newegg pages.
Also, my changing my build around to crossfire 6950's instead of 6970's, plus that cheaper motherboard, brings the price to around $1850
NZXT Gamma ($40)
ECS A890GXM-A(2.0) ($130)
Phenom II X4 995 BE ($140)
G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3 1600 ($48)
HIS 6850HD ($170)
WD Caviar Blue 500GB WD5000AAKX ($40)
Antec True Power New TP-750 Modular ($90)
Win7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM ($100)
How would it compare if I were to spend the extra cash on an i5?
MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) ($150)
i5-2300 SB ($185)
Actually, I'm of the opinion that the Z9 is a superior case to the original CM 690. The cable management on the original 690 really isn't that great. That HDD cage isn't removable, so I doubt the card clearance is that much better than the Z9.
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Pictures will be coming shortly, but since all I have is my crapass camera phone, I really only took posing shots and end shots, didn't get much along the way if at all.
EDIT: PICTURES!
PSN: HooverFanPA
Steam: HooverFan
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It's very sturdy and no sharp panels throughout the whole build to slice myself on so that was nice. The only real downside I see to this is the fact that there's basically no space between the PSU and a full size ATX board and for the absolute best cable management, i'd say you'd be doing yourself a disservice getting anything but a modular PSU. I had so much shit to stuff that I basically ran out of room on the back to fit stuff and had to find other places to route stuff with my non-modular Corsair.
Once I finish the thing tomorrow and start it up and see what the thermals and noise is like then I can give you a better recommendation, right now though i'm quite happy in that no band-aids were needed for once.
PSN: HooverFanPA
Steam: HooverFan
My motherboard is an EPOX ep-8vtai BUT it was later renamed ep-8krai pro. I can get the chipset drivers from VIA's website.
To be fair, my full tower with a bottom mounted PSU pretty much comes right up to the bottom of the motherboard too so it's apparently unavoidable no matter what you try to do.
OK, this would be a very basic machine for work. If it works out, we may buy several of the same pieces and build machines for my co-workers. The only problem is, many of my co-workers like Mac OS--does anyone who is knowledgeable know if this will run Mac OSX?
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=u0t0f0fp49309c0s701&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16820231428
HDD:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&cm_re=samsung_f3-_-22-152-185-_-Product
Anyone have any insight(good or bad) on either?
Currently, I have:
Case: Antec 900 II
PSU: XFX XXX 650 80+ Modular
I plan on getting a new intel cpu; most likely sandy bridge, i5, and mobo to go with it when i find a good deal.
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The way to do relatively painless hackintosh is to visit hackintosh-enthusiast forums, find hardware that has been demonstrated to work, and then buy that hardware. Having done a few hackintoshes I don't think it's worth it (I just buy Apple hardware if I want to run OSX). I had a laptop that was "supported," but QE/CI didn't work and that alone was a deal-breaker, because if I can't have the shiny on because hardware acceleration of graphics is not supported then what's the point of running OSX? Other problem areas are LAN, WIFI, bluetooth, audio, and power management, where a lot of PC hardware just doesn't work with OSX.
How does this work? I liked em, but I must be missing some sort of coupon code.
but then I read this "Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. and to APO/FPO addresses. For APO/FPO shipments, please check with the manufacturer regarding warranty and support issues." What's that mean?
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Aumni- you're supposed to get an email from them, I never did but I think I deleted it on accident.
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Getting the motherboard in place was the most difficult thing for me, I had to press and prone it soooooo hard to make the holes line up. It was a P7P55D in an Antec 300 for reference, so much brutal pressing had to be applied it took me a total of 3hours just to get angry and willing enough to force it in.
Not sure what that's supposed to mean as the Microsoft's OEM System Builder EULA specifically disclaims any warranty and provides the software "as-is" and also puts the onus of software support on the System Builder.
Fun times.
EDIT: which with OEM you are anyway I thought.
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As for why, I've decided to run a different model 580 GTX (one with both Displayport and HDMI) in my build, and would love to recoup most of the cost of the EVGA model.
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This thing has a pretty nominal hum to it, same as my old one (Antec P180) and is quite nice as long as the Radeon fan doesn't start, then it gets loud but that's normal.
CPU is staying steady around 28-29C and my thermal diode in the case setup inbetween the GPU and the CPU heatsink is constantly reading 23C.
I'm seriously impressed, and this thing FLIES.
PSN: HooverFanPA
Steam: HooverFan
So I figure I'll just take care of it all at once, once that case comes tomorrow.
That new case is what I'll throw my old gear into (still haven't decided whether to swap out my HTPC's Core 2 Duo for the Core 2 Quad I just replaced with the i5), and I'll probably just keep it around as a spare computer. The value I'd be likely to get out of selling it (either as parts or as a whole) is right on the cusp of what I feel it'd be worth to just keep it.
Holy shit was that a much more pleasant experience than installing the stock Intel bullshit. Stick the backplate on the rear of the motherboard, and screw in the fucking spring clips. I mean, toolless is fuckawesome and all, right up until you hear a POP and wonder if that was the stupid little push clip going in, or the traces on your motherboard snapping in two.
Also, day-am. Fourteen degrees (C) cooler under a stress test than the stock cooler...and it wasn't maxing out fan RPM (1800 of 2200). So this is just as cool as the motherboard felt like keeping it, not the coolest it could go.
So yeah, I give the Xigmatek 1283 series (I got the Dark Knight, because it came with the 1156/1155 bracket) two thumbs up!
I was too chicken to mount my H50 as a rear intake, I don't even remember why. Shit, I should probably set it up to Push/Pull with some real fans, while I'm at it.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157231
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157240
got deactivated. anyone know why?
I know next to nothing about cases, but $70 with free shipping seems like a good deal for that case; I have friends who have similar ones, and they seem really nice.
The Storm Scout is solid, fairly good cable management, though no 8 pin cutout, but I'd bet you can get that connector in under and over the motherboard through the CPU backplate cutout. I'd say $70 shipped to your door is really good.
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edit: I think I'm going with the 2ms monitor.
About to pull the trigger on:
ZALMAN Z9 Plus Black Steel Case
Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W PSU
MSI P67A-GD65 Motherboard
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) Memory
MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB Graphics Card ($20 rebate)
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz CPU
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus CPU Cooler (combo'd with CPU)
2x ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor ($40 in rebates)
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB 7200 RPM HDD
Logitech G500 Mouse
CyberPower 880 Surge Protector
Have to wait for the 120 Intel x25-m SSD to come back in stock to put this together though, sadly.
Anything I should be thinking about here? Anything last minute I should know? Any cables or cable management stuff I should toss in the order?
You're spending all that cash and are only getting 4 gigs of RAM?
Anyway, my 9800 GT just died on me and I'm looking to spend about $200 to replace it. Is the GTX 460 still the way to go at that price point?
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that's weird, the links still worked when i posted it
it's the AsRock Extreme6 for lga 1155 and the AsRock 1155 Fatal1ty board
The Fatal1ty board is easy, no one carries the one anymore.