Seriously, everyone who is defending DNF's bad attempts at humor.
Go back and play DN3D.
I say this not only because you'll see that the humor played a far more subdued role, in effect it was secondary to excellent gameplay and level design.
But also because it is a better game and you should be playing that instead for reals.
80+ pages now and people still crying about this shit?
I beat the game last night, it was a blast. A very dated and nostalgic blast.
I also played alot of DN3D last week... it just made me enjoy this more. If people aren't enjoying it, then why the hell are they still posting after 80+ pages?
It cuts both ways, why are you still complaining about peoples posting after 80 pages?
The guy literally just said "play duke3d again, its a better game all round" and you jump back to defend DNFs impugned honour.
Duke has always been a superstar in the games. He wrote the book "Why I am so great" back in the 2D scrollers. The world would never suddenly forget him since he has already saved it multiple times and basically is now worshipped as a superhero
Debating getting this and normally I'd come to the thread for information, instead I see lots of arguing. I am assuming, from what I can see between all the fisticuffs, that the game is actually not good? or is it just not as good as expected and showing it's age?
Considering the last fps I played through was Prey, I'm probably not too bothered about it showing it's age.
Lacabra's post is good and accurate (BOTP'd, so I'll quote it here)
Debating getting this and normally I'd come to the thread for information, instead I see lots of arguing. I am assuming, from what I can see between all the fisticuffs, that the game is actually not good? or is it just not as good as expected and showing it's age?
Considering the last fps I played through was Prey, I'm probably not too bothered about it showing it's age.
further to the above, here's the reply I wrote to bacon butty's post that was similar to yours after I finished DNF. No spoilers.
I just beat DNF. It took me about 11 hours, I thoroughly enjoyed it
I'm really on the fence about this game.
I loved DN3D and Time to Kill. I didn't like the DNF 360 Demo because it looked like poop and seemed blurry/low res. I wanted to like it though.
Gimmie a quick rundown, pros, cons, highlights, low.. lights? I saw you playing it on the personal computer platform, so how does it look and run?
I'd super appreciate it.
Okay cool.
Frame of reference: enjoyed the demo, wasn't overwhelmed by it. Wasn't underwhelmed, but almost, I think. I guess you'd say I was just whelmed. I did enjoy it something like twice as much watching a friend play it afterwards though. The full game didn't take long to have me enjoying it vastly more than the demo though.
On my PC, which was mid-high-end in 08, I was able to run the game with everything cranked at 1920x1200 just fine. Oh, except my graphics card, that is more recent, a 5770. It looks generally pretty great, although the desert section is the probably the worst-looking just because it's kind of visually unimaginative for the most part, so I'm not sure why they chose to showcase it in the demo. The rest of the game is prettier. It's not Crysis but I for one don't need it to be.
I was kind of worried about whether the game would turn out to be mediocre after the demo, but it turns out I had a whole lot of fun and the biggest reason for that is the humour. I was probably about three minutes past the part where the demo fades out in the mansion when I had my first actually-laughing-out-loud moment in the game at some really funny dialogue.
I've never been prudish about the "DICK JOKES TIT JOKES" thing like a lot of folks on the internet seem to be now but I guess I forgot how much of the fun of Duke games is the references, and it's amazing for a game that's 15 years old how recent a lot of them are. They take the piss out of all my favourite action movies of the 90s, but there's also a lot of more fresh pop culture references that made me laugh. For context, I very very rarely laugh out loud at stuff. This game got a few laughs out of me and a lot of smiles.
I guess the two things a lot of people have been unhappy about since the demo are recharging health and the two-weapon thing. I was a couple of hours in before I actually thought about it, and whether the game would be better with health packs and a percentage and a TARDIS inventory, and I really don't think it would. I can totally see why you'd be hesitant about that but it works really well in this game, it doesn't make it too easy, and it just feels like the right decision. On a related note I was personally a bit worried that the shrink ray and the freeze ray would be pretty useless, and while I didn't get a lot of mileage out of the freeze ray myself the shrink ray was super useful in a lot of cases.
The thing I found myself saying most to my friend who I was chatting to in the overlay while I played was just "There are so many awesome things in this game". I don't want to spoil any of them for anyone because there are a lot of great moments, though. You all just need to hurry up and finish it so I can come in here and go "OH MAN REMEMBER THE PART WHEN -" all over the place.
The things I could say that would completely sell you the game would also ruin moments for you, because that's what this game is all about, as it turns out. Making you say "HAHA FUCKING AWESOME" and go tell someone about the awesome thing that just happened.
Also, I played a few rounds of the multiplayer and it's super good.
Oh hey I totally smashed out a massive post. Haven't done that in a long time. Game must be good.
I am having a lot of fun playing it, but whether or not you will enjoy it is based on many factors.
I like the game because I'm a Duke fan (while accepting the character is dated), because I can really appreciate the heart and the ambition this game has, it has satisfying shooting mechanics complete with the OTT one liners and I'm enjoying (most of) the dumb humour.
But if you're not a Duke fan or you didn't care about or follow the DNF development saga and you're just looking for a shooter - I would still say buy the game, just buy it cheaper.
Also, beware of the console ports. Load times and framerates are abysmal.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
And whatever you do Tommatt do not buy a console version. Buy it on the PC.
Debating getting this and normally I'd come to the thread for information, instead I see lots of arguing. I am assuming, from what I can see between all the fisticuffs, that the game is actually not good? or is it just not as good as expected and showing it's age?
Considering the last fps I played through was Prey, I'm probably not too bothered about it showing it's age.
further to the above, here's the reply I wrote to bacon butty's post that was similar to yours after I finished DNF. No spoilers.
I just beat DNF. It took me about 11 hours, I thoroughly enjoyed it
I'm really on the fence about this game.
I loved DN3D and Time to Kill. I didn't like the DNF 360 Demo because it looked like poop and seemed blurry/low res. I wanted to like it though.
Gimmie a quick rundown, pros, cons, highlights, low.. lights? I saw you playing it on the personal computer platform, so how does it look and run?
I'd super appreciate it.
Okay cool.
Frame of reference: enjoyed the demo, wasn't overwhelmed by it. Wasn't underwhelmed, but almost, I think. I guess you'd say I was just whelmed. I did enjoy it something like twice as much watching a friend play it afterwards though. The full game didn't take long to have me enjoying it vastly more than the demo though.
On my PC, which was mid-high-end in 08, I was able to run the game with everything cranked at 1920x1200 just fine. Oh, except my graphics card, that is more recent, a 5770. It looks generally pretty great, although the desert section is the probably the worst-looking just because it's kind of visually unimaginative for the most part, so I'm not sure why they chose to showcase it in the demo. The rest of the game is prettier. It's not Crysis but I for one don't need it to be.
I was kind of worried about whether the game would turn out to be mediocre after the demo, but it turns out I had a whole lot of fun and the biggest reason for that is the humour. I was probably about three minutes past the part where the demo fades out in the mansion when I had my first actually-laughing-out-loud moment in the game at some really funny dialogue.
I've never been prudish about the "DICK JOKES TIT JOKES" thing like a lot of folks on the internet seem to be now but I guess I forgot how much of the fun of Duke games is the references, and it's amazing for a game that's 15 years old how recent a lot of them are. They take the piss out of all my favourite action movies of the 90s, but there's also a lot of more fresh pop culture references that made me laugh. For context, I very very rarely laugh out loud at stuff. This game got a few laughs out of me and a lot of smiles.
I guess the two things a lot of people have been unhappy about since the demo are recharging health and the two-weapon thing. I was a couple of hours in before I actually thought about it, and whether the game would be better with health packs and a percentage and a TARDIS inventory, and I really don't think it would. I can totally see why you'd be hesitant about that but it works really well in this game, it doesn't make it too easy, and it just feels like the right decision. On a related note I was personally a bit worried that the shrink ray and the freeze ray would be pretty useless, and while I didn't get a lot of mileage out of the freeze ray myself the shrink ray was super useful in a lot of cases.
The thing I found myself saying most to my friend who I was chatting to in the overlay while I played was just "There are so many awesome things in this game". I don't want to spoil any of them for anyone because there are a lot of great moments, though. You all just need to hurry up and finish it so I can come in here and go "OH MAN REMEMBER THE PART WHEN -" all over the place.
The things I could say that would completely sell you the game would also ruin moments for you, because that's what this game is all about, as it turns out. Making you say "HAHA FUCKING AWESOME" and go tell someone about the awesome thing that just happened.
Also, I played a few rounds of the multiplayer and it's super good.
Oh hey I totally smashed out a massive post. Haven't done that in a long time. Game must be good.
Thank you very much, sold it to me Well, next month when I get paid.
And yes, Aegeri, I did very much enjoy Prey, fantastic game.
It cuts both ways, why are you still complaining about peoples posting after 80 pages?
The guy literally just said "play duke3d again, its a better game all round" and you jump back to defend DNFs impugned honour.
Haha, this reminds me of people who go into a thread about a Halo game just to bash it.
It doesn't cut both ways either... sorry, people hanging around just to bitch about how terrible they think the game is makes them wrong, period. Most of them openly state they don't even own the game... same as people who troll a Halo thread. I personally don't like Halo much, so I don't even click on the threads in the first place.
AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Yeah I enjoyed Prey a lot as well actually. I wish they had kept the interactivity from the bar scene through the rest of the game (it would really have benefited from it). The advantage of buying it next month is probably that it will hit rock bottom price wise as well (I've heard it's already going down in price, I saw it cheaper than practically all the other new release games advertised at JB Hi-Fi today in Australia).
KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
edited June 2011
The ONLY things you can complain about and form an opinion on if you do NOT own the game is the content e.g. "rape scene" or "women are objectified".
If you have not played the game for a proper time period yourself, there is not a single way your opinion of "Play another game, this one is shit" is valid and you should NOT post in this thread about it.
Okay, just finished the game, and for the most part had a relatively fun time with it. Granted, it's definitely not a socially sensitive kind of game. There's some definite objectification of women in the game, which I can certainly understand some folks finding rather offensive.
That being said, being offended about that is sort of like, walking into a strip club, or watching a XXX movie and being offended that there's nudity. You gotta figure going into this, that there's going to be some fairly politically incorrect stuff involved.
Honestly, the only thing that really wandered awfully close to the "too far" spectrum of offensive was the
alien hive bit with the impregnated captives. The fact that the game kind of encouraged you to take them out before they popped, seemed like a bit much to me. Though that's just personal opinion of course.
My only other criticism, oddly enough has less to do with the sexual content and more to do with the overwhelming amount of platforming involved with the game. I can understand having some platforming and puzzle solving being present in the game. But there were times when it really felt like the ratio of combat to platforming really favored platforming a bit too much.
It cuts both ways, why are you still complaining about peoples posting after 80 pages?
The guy literally just said "play duke3d again, its a better game all round" and you jump back to defend DNFs impugned honour.
Haha, this reminds me of people who go into a thread about a Halo game just to bash it.
It doesn't cut both ways either... sorry, people hanging around just to bitch about how terrible they think the game is makes them wrong, period. Most of them openly state they don't even own the game... same as people who troll a Halo thread. I personally don't like Halo much, so I don't even click on the threads in the first place.
So opinions are only valid if they're positive?
Duke 3D was great. This game is bad, I really, really wanted it to be good and its not.
Now I have nothing left to take from it but schaudenfreude.
I own the game. Picked it up at midnight. It's a pile of fucking shit. Duke can suck my dick.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
Why schadenfreude? Did you want it to suck? I don't like the game at all, but I feel no pleasure from the fact it's a poor game. It just makes me sad as I was hoping for a great return of Duke Nukem 3Ds core gameplay, with new fancy bells and whistles. I feel disappointed: But no sense of pleasure or "Ha this game deserves to suck for 12 years of development time" like some on the internet have.
It cuts both ways, why are you still complaining about peoples posting after 80 pages?
The guy literally just said "play duke3d again, its a better game all round" and you jump back to defend DNFs impugned honour.
Haha, this reminds me of people who go into a thread about a Halo game just to bash it.
It doesn't cut both ways either... sorry, people hanging around just to bitch about how terrible they think the game is makes them wrong, period. Most of them openly state they don't even own the game... same as people who troll a Halo thread. I personally don't like Halo much, so I don't even click on the threads in the first place.
So opinions are only valid if they're positive?
Duke 3D was great. This game is bad, I really, really wanted it to be good and its not.
Now I have nothing left to take from it but schaudenfreude.
Opinions, both good and bad, are great, I don't think anyone's going to deny that. They're especially great when they lead to constructive criticism and discussion. What we just had over the last what, ten? Maybe twenty pages? Was not great. I think after the first few pages it wasn't a particularly salvageable topic of discussion and became somewhat inconsiderate towards some folk who wanted to sit a spell and talk about other aspects of the game, but they got drowned out.
But yeah this game really, really divides people in terms of whether they enjoy it or not. Like, I don't think I've ever seen a game with such divided opinions on whether it's enjoyable or not.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
edited June 2011
I have and can name numerous examples: Daikatana, Shadowrun (it actually gets frequently mentioned in this thread), Lair (Arguably one of the worst games I've ever played, but it had its defenders who fought to the last), Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (If you tolerated the bugs or not was the *key* factor here) and numerous other examples. Whenever you have a game that is this divided it's usually a poor sign for it in the long run in my experience.
I have and can name numerous examples: Daikatana, Shadowrun (it actually gets frequently mentioned in this thread), Lair (Arguably one of the worst games I've ever played, but it had its defenders who fought to the last), Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (If you tolerated the bugs or not was the *key* factor here) and numerous other examples. Whenever you have a game that is this divided it's usually a poor sign for it in the long run in my experience.
Only played an hour or so, so far. It's not terrible. It's not bad. The definitely pulled a Half Life 2 and so far the game is a linear romp through sections where you pause and they want you to do a puzzle or a trick cause "hey look at this neat stuff we can do".
So far it's a random bit of everything but the kitchen sink gameplay in between loading screens. Shoot some bad guys. Now stealthly shoot some bad guys. Now get shrunk. Now drive this RC car.
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
I have and can name numerous examples: Daikatana, Shadowrun (it actually gets frequently mentioned in this thread), Lair (Arguably one of the worst games I've ever played, but it had its defenders who fought to the last), Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (If you tolerated the bugs or not was the *key* factor here) and numerous other examples. Whenever you have a game that is this divided it's usually a poor sign for it in the long run in my experience.
Wait a minute. Someone actually liked Daikatana?
Maybe not here, but on another forum back in the day it was a biiig debate on release at the time. That was actually quite repetitive on the whole "Is superfly a racial caricature" argument, despite the more obvious flaws of the games actual gameplay.
Really when you think about it, nothing really changes in terms of arguments about video games.
Duke 3D was great. This game is bad, I really, really wanted it to be good and its not.
Now I have nothing left to take from it but schaudenfreude.
No, opinions are valid no matter how positive or negative they are.
But after 80 pages they get pointless.
For example, my wife saw bits and pieces of the game, even the hive parts. She said, "Thats gross... looks like a stupid game... come finish LA Noire I wanna see the story..." Then she went off and did something else. Later I was sitting with her watching TV and asked why she didn't let me know the show I wanted to see what on, she said, "You looked like you were really having fun with that Duke Nukem game and I didn't wanna bug you."
So cool... she dislikes the game, but doesn't sit there preaching to me for hours about how terrible she thinks it is. Life goes on.
However back in internet land....80 pages later and people still extracting the sand from their vaginas...
the game doesn't have rape scenes, for the record :P
I put in a few hours playing it yesterday, and got the part that everyone was flippin' pancakes over... no rape scene. Just a few moaning women in alien goo.
Okay, there are some points which really need to be made here. To preface, I haven't actually played Duke Nukem Forever, or any of the previous games for that matter. I'm really not the kind of person who should. But I watched the Quick Look on Gaintbomb which includes the entire relevant segment, so I think I'm qualified to comment on this particular element of the game.
There are a bunch of naked women half-buried in a biological alien hive who have been forcibly impregnated. Is the visual presentation of this exceptionally graphic? No, I suppose not. Is it really creepy and offensive in and of itself? Well yeah, but that's not even the point. The point is why. Why is this in the game? What purpose is it intended to serve in the presentation? How is it supposed to make the player feel? You can't really say much about anything in a game or a story without looking at the intention behind it and the context around it. But it's not like the game is trying to lay some serious shit down on us all of a sudden. It doesn't need to show us atrocities to keep us invested in its deliberately cliche action-hero story. It isn't some grand metaphor where Duke is forced to take a serious look at himself and his objectification of women upon being presented with the terrible epitome of that perspective. It's frigging Duke Nukem. If there are tits in it, the most likely explanation is that it's supposed to be hot. I don't want to say that someone at 3D realms thought that naked women being enslaved and raped by an alien hive was supposed to be super-sexy and surely the gaming public would think so too. I really don't. I don't think I've ever said something so horrible about another human being. But there aren't too many alternative explanations. Honestly I don't know if there really is any intention here. Somebody just tossed it in there casually, like it wasn't a big deal or anything. Please try to understand that this is orders of magnitude more offensive than a graphically brutal rape scene which is intended to make the viewer uncomfortable in order to make a serious point in a serious narrative.
So Duke goes into the next room.
And in there he encounters two women in that same position, who I gather from context are probably known characters from a previous game. And it's a joke! The conversation is played off as a joke. "Oh Duke, it was my first time...with an alien, I mean. I promise I'll lose the weight for you!" And then they explode and a bunch of aliens comes out. This is the narrative purpose of the presence of shackled, moaning rape victims. To serve as a vessel for jokes about cherry-popping and baby weight. We're well past the point of mere criminal negligence now.
And then. In the room after that.
Duke comes across a cluster of three fleshy protusions in the wall that look like breasts. The player presses X to slap them, and they jiggle while space-juice sprays out of their space-nipples as Duke lets out one-liners like "It looks so wrong, but it feels so right" and "Must be some kind of advanced silicone-based lifeform!" while the halls literally echo with the screams and cries of hundreds of rape victims. This is the final nail right here. The purpose of Duke Nukem Forever as a whole, as far as I can gather, is to play around with the character of Duke Nukem, every stereotypical airheaded macho-man who shoots aliens and looks at tits. And now Duke Nukem is a man who can can walk past dozens of totured female victims of alien rape, encounter two women with so little self-respect that they can think of absolutely nothing but their desired role as Duke's bitches while they are being raped to death literally this very second, and then have it all run off him like water while he giggles like Butthead as he knocks around fake titties while surrounded on all sides by tortured lamentation and sexual atrocity. This is a personality which is being presented as desirable, or at the very least amusing.
The real issue is not that Duke uttering one-liners while knocking around space-boobs taken in isolation, although that is an issue. The real issue is not the visual presentation of the women in the hive taken in isolation, although that is a bigger issue. The real issue is not the lines spoken by the twins when taken in isolation, though that is a bigger still issue. The real issue is that the juxtaposition of all these things, and the overall context of the game in which they are presented, is probably the most offensive and callous display I have ever seen in any piece of media. And maybe even worse than that is that I haven't seen this stuff get all that much attention. I'm not trying to be judgemental of the people playing the game. I can tell that most people are made uncomfortable by the presence of the women in the hive and mostly just try to put it out of their mind while they enjoy the rest of the game, but should we really be able to do that? Is it really okay that people are being conditioned to ignore thoughtless, pointless, shameless presentation of sexual abuse rather than be really seriously bothered by it?
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but my personal perspective is that if your game has a segment where a bunch of women get enslaved and raped by aliens and then the rape victims make sex jokes and then your protagonist is amused at playing with breasts while still surrounded by the tortured moans of the raped women, then your game isn't allowed to have merit anymore. It just isn't! Open and shut case right there. It's just...there's a line, okay? And on the left of that line are games that are meaningful or at least largely inoffensive, and then on the right there are games which are probably actively toxic to a healthy society. The Duke Nukem series is one of few that has always rested pretty comfortably to the right of that line. But then there's another line, and on the left of that line are games where you put a dollar in a stripper's G-string to get a stat bonus or whatever, and to the far, far right are games which present you with victims of alien rape and then pokes fun at the rape victims and then indulges in pointless sexual immaturity while still in that same awful context. I don't know all that much about Duke Nukem 3D, but it sounds like at worst maybe it wasn't watching where it was going and accidentally tripped over that second line. Duke Nukem Forever comes to that line, climbs in his monster truck, slams down the accelerator, drives until it runs out of gas, gets out, does another uninspired action sequence to get another can of gas, refills the tank, and drives right on into the sunset. And a lot of people are letting him get away with it because oh, it's Duke, he's such a lovably bombastic character. I have to call bullshit on that. There's playfully offensive and then there's the product of one or more outright despicable human beings. It's important that we be cognizant and introspective enough as a society to be able to seriously examine this stuff.
The multiplayer is super fun, but it can be hard to find a game going. I suspect the server browser is a bit broken though because when I start a game a shitton of people nigh-instantly join.
I actually liked Lair once I figured out the dragon controlled 100x better if you were very gentle and fluid with the tilting of the controller instead of jerking it around rapidly.
I certainly won't fight for its honor though. It could have been so much more.
Crazy as it sounds, I mainly picked up Duke for the multi, as that is where I had my fun back in the day. And I've looooved playing the Hollywood level...when I can actually connect to games that aren't crazy lagged. I hope they do a little support on this and don't just call it quits. A little multiplayer patching and I'd LOVE to see some of the old levels remade. LA Rumble and Red Light District, specifically.
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but my personal perspective is that if your game has a segment where a bunch of women get enslaved and raped by aliens and then the rape victims make sex jokes and then your protagonist is amused at playing with breasts while still surrounded by the tortured moans of the raped women, then your game isn't allowed to have merit anymore.
I can appreciate it as basically an aristocrats joke even if it wasn't intended that way. It sounds hilarious in a crosses the line twice sort of way.
I agree with you Badwrong. It feels pretty old school. The challenges add a little extra fun to it but I'd keep playing regardless. Though I do like unlocking the hats and stuff. I want that chicken hat! But man, you have to kill 4 people in one shot with the RPG TEN times to unlock it. Bleh. That's going to be tough.
Anyway...
we've all probably played with each other and not known it, as few servers as there are.
You'll join a server with a 40 ping and people will be freezing in place while running, then vanish and appear 20 ft away. Or you'll get randomly dropped.
The times it works though it's a ton of fun. Mindless and silly.
Did you just infer that that extremely well thought out and articulate post was a "troll"
Oh, no. I actually think that long post is pretty accurate from someone who doesn't like the game. Notice I never replied to that post, as he stated his opinion and left. Some people though, keep repeating the same shit over and over just to troll. I kind of find it disturbing how people are practically worshiping that post... its a somewhat detailed description of the hive scene, which is gross... I don't think anyone is arguing that the hive scene should be in the game, but it is and when I played the game I didn't sit there and analyze why its bad to let it ruin the whole thing for me.
My comment about how many times rape was mentioned was just an observation... if the part of the game is so bad, why are people perpetuating a detailed description of it? When I see/hear/taste/feel something bad, I certainly don't go outta my way to repeat that said sense, or dwell on some long description of it.
What they showed in that GB quick look was an atrocity.
I mean, are people really running around with pistols instead of building elaborate trip mine and pipe bomb traps in the movie theater DM level?
This will not do.
Call the schoolmaster!
That level is called Hollywood, good sir, and I assure you that some of us are doing right by you and trip mining and pipe bombing like the world is ending and getting explosive kills is our ticket into paradise.
What they showed in that GB quick look was an atrocity.
I mean, are people really running around with pistols instead of building elaborate trip mine and pipe bomb traps in the movie theater DM level?
This will not do.
Call the schoolmaster!
That level is called Hollywood, good sir, and I assure you that some of us are doing right by you and trip mining and pipe bombing like the world is ending and getting explosive kills is our ticket into paradise.
What they showed in that GB quick look was an atrocity.
I mean, are people really running around with pistols instead of building elaborate trip mine and pipe bomb traps in the movie theater DM level?
This will not do.
Call the schoolmaster!
That level is called Hollywood, good sir, and I assure you that some of us are doing right by you and trip mining and pipe bombing like the world is ending and getting explosive kills is our ticket into paradise.
You're fighting the good fight, sir. Good on you.
I try, I try.
90% of my online time playing the original was setting up traps on the jetpack spawn and hiding behind the chair in hopes of catching people by surprise.
That trick no longer works, probably because chairs don't always face you no matter which way you are looking at them, so you can't hide in the crazy distortion of time and space anymore.
I appreciate that the keychain sound when you detonate a pipebomb sounds like the Duke intro song.
I've gotten about 5 hours into single player and had a blast pretty much the whole time. Finally got into a Capture the Babe game last night on a server with good pings for all. It was probably the most fun I've had in a shooter since CoD4. Totally crazy power ups (I grabbed enemy team steroids, proceeded to decimated 6 in a row with my fist of fury), great weapon fights (freezing someone right as they shrunk!), and some really great trip mine/pipe bomb killing. The multi-player unlocks/challenges are great to.
It will be interesting what the Multiplayer DLC will contain when it appears, having pre-ordered I'll be getting it for free, though I wonder if that will split the community by having maps others don't have.
The million dollar question though right now is the mod tools. If we get them, we all know there will be a mod to make the game more like the original and I think that will be a good thing for most people, also if we get a map editor I wouldn't be surprised to see a large group working to convert the best of Duke3D's levels over for multiplayer, possibly a single player campaign revamp.
Co-op modes would be a welcome addition, especially if they have some sort of survival mode or an increased difficulty level.
I will say that one map I REALLY want for multiplayer would be Spin Cycle (the space station level with the huge spinning floor), that would make my day to play on that once again.
I haven't played the game, nor the one before it, and don't intend to, but I sure have read enough on the internet to confidently say that games can feature tortured, screaming souls, and not cross the line. Until those tortured screaming souls are women. And that's just not cool, okay? I mean. Women. I'm okay with the bloody and grotesque destruction of a virtual human. As long as it's a man.
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It cuts both ways, why are you still complaining about peoples posting after 80 pages?
The guy literally just said "play duke3d again, its a better game all round" and you jump back to defend DNFs impugned honour.
Disappointed to hear so many are disappointed. Will wait for a sale or goozex
Lacabra's post is good and accurate (BOTP'd, so I'll quote it here)
I am having a lot of fun playing it, but whether or not you will enjoy it is based on many factors.
I like the game because I'm a Duke fan (while accepting the character is dated), because I can really appreciate the heart and the ambition this game has, it has satisfying shooting mechanics complete with the OTT one liners and I'm enjoying (most of) the dumb humour.
But if you're not a Duke fan or you didn't care about or follow the DNF development saga and you're just looking for a shooter - I would still say buy the game, just buy it cheaper.
Also, beware of the console ports. Load times and framerates are abysmal.
Thank you very much, sold it to me
And yes, Aegeri, I did very much enjoy Prey, fantastic game.
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
Haha, this reminds me of people who go into a thread about a Halo game just to bash it.
It doesn't cut both ways either... sorry, people hanging around just to bitch about how terrible they think the game is makes them wrong, period. Most of them openly state they don't even own the game... same as people who troll a Halo thread. I personally don't like Halo much, so I don't even click on the threads in the first place.
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If you have not played the game for a proper time period yourself, there is not a single way your opinion of "Play another game, this one is shit" is valid and you should NOT post in this thread about it.
*innocent whistle*
Haha, oh come oooooon you know what I mean!
That being said, being offended about that is sort of like, walking into a strip club, or watching a XXX movie and being offended that there's nudity. You gotta figure going into this, that there's going to be some fairly politically incorrect stuff involved.
Honestly, the only thing that really wandered awfully close to the "too far" spectrum of offensive was the
My only other criticism, oddly enough has less to do with the sexual content and more to do with the overwhelming amount of platforming involved with the game. I can understand having some platforming and puzzle solving being present in the game. But there were times when it really felt like the ratio of combat to platforming really favored platforming a bit too much.
So opinions are only valid if they're positive?
Duke 3D was great. This game is bad, I really, really wanted it to be good and its not.
Now I have nothing left to take from it but schaudenfreude.
Opinions, both good and bad, are great, I don't think anyone's going to deny that. They're especially great when they lead to constructive criticism and discussion. What we just had over the last what, ten? Maybe twenty pages? Was not great. I think after the first few pages it wasn't a particularly salvageable topic of discussion and became somewhat inconsiderate towards some folk who wanted to sit a spell and talk about other aspects of the game, but they got drowned out.
But yeah this game really, really divides people in terms of whether they enjoy it or not. Like, I don't think I've ever seen a game with such divided opinions on whether it's enjoyable or not.
Wait a minute. Someone actually liked Daikatana?
So far it's a random bit of everything but the kitchen sink gameplay in between loading screens. Shoot some bad guys. Now stealthly shoot some bad guys. Now get shrunk. Now drive this RC car.
Maybe not here, but on another forum back in the day it was a biiig debate on release at the time. That was actually quite repetitive on the whole "Is superfly a racial caricature" argument, despite the more obvious flaws of the games actual gameplay.
Really when you think about it, nothing really changes in terms of arguments about video games.
No, opinions are valid no matter how positive or negative they are.
But after 80 pages they get pointless.
For example, my wife saw bits and pieces of the game, even the hive parts. She said, "Thats gross... looks like a stupid game... come finish LA Noire I wanna see the story..." Then she went off and did something else. Later I was sitting with her watching TV and asked why she didn't let me know the show I wanted to see what on, she said, "You looked like you were really having fun with that Duke Nukem game and I didn't wanna bug you."
So cool... she dislikes the game, but doesn't sit there preaching to me for hours about how terrible she thinks it is. Life goes on.
However back in internet land....80 pages later and people still extracting the sand from their vaginas...
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oh look how did this get here who knows
I certainly won't fight for its honor though. It could have been so much more.
Crazy as it sounds, I mainly picked up Duke for the multi, as that is where I had my fun back in the day. And I've looooved playing the Hollywood level...when I can actually connect to games that aren't crazy lagged. I hope they do a little support on this and don't just call it quits. A little multiplayer patching and I'd LOVE to see some of the old levels remade. LA Rumble and Red Light District, specifically.
Its fun. Feels like a 10 year old setup though, which is still fun.... camp the best weapon pickups and stuff.
It has more features than I expected, but not nearly as many as common AAA stuff nowdays.
Lag can be all over the place.
I just played deathmatch a bit... seemed like a buncha stupid fun similar to what I remember in DN3D.
As far as balance and polish... ya thats the terrible aspect.
Number of times "rape" is described in that post: 11
Number of times "rape" is described in DNF: 0
Really though... I've never seen people dwell on a few minutes in a game more than this. I guess I shouldn't feed the trolls though... my bad.
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Did you just infer that that extremely well thought out and articulate post was a "troll"
Anyway...
we've all probably played with each other and not known it, as few servers as there are.
You'll join a server with a 40 ping and people will be freezing in place while running, then vanish and appear 20 ft away. Or you'll get randomly dropped.
The times it works though it's a ton of fun. Mindless and silly.
Oh, no. I actually think that long post is pretty accurate from someone who doesn't like the game. Notice I never replied to that post, as he stated his opinion and left. Some people though, keep repeating the same shit over and over just to troll. I kind of find it disturbing how people are practically worshiping that post... its a somewhat detailed description of the hive scene, which is gross... I don't think anyone is arguing that the hive scene should be in the game, but it is and when I played the game I didn't sit there and analyze why its bad to let it ruin the whole thing for me.
My comment about how many times rape was mentioned was just an observation... if the part of the game is so bad, why are people perpetuating a detailed description of it? When I see/hear/taste/feel something bad, I certainly don't go outta my way to repeat that said sense, or dwell on some long description of it.
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I mean, are people really running around with pistols instead of building elaborate trip mine and pipe bomb traps in the movie theater DM level?
This will not do.
That level is called Hollywood, good sir, and I assure you that some of us are doing right by you and trip mining and pipe bombing like the world is ending and getting explosive kills is our ticket into paradise.
But I'll never have the patience to do that. I mean the freeze ray explosive barrel combo? I'll never get that done.
You're fighting the good fight, sir. Good on you.
I try, I try.
90% of my online time playing the original was setting up traps on the jetpack spawn and hiding behind the chair in hopes of catching people by surprise.
That trick no longer works, probably because chairs don't always face you no matter which way you are looking at them, so you can't hide in the crazy distortion of time and space anymore.
I appreciate that the keychain sound when you detonate a pipebomb sounds like the Duke intro song.
It will be interesting what the Multiplayer DLC will contain when it appears, having pre-ordered I'll be getting it for free, though I wonder if that will split the community by having maps others don't have.
The million dollar question though right now is the mod tools. If we get them, we all know there will be a mod to make the game more like the original and I think that will be a good thing for most people, also if we get a map editor I wouldn't be surprised to see a large group working to convert the best of Duke3D's levels over for multiplayer, possibly a single player campaign revamp.
Co-op modes would be a welcome addition, especially if they have some sort of survival mode or an increased difficulty level.
I will say that one map I REALLY want for multiplayer would be Spin Cycle (the space station level with the huge spinning floor), that would make my day to play on that once again.
Comedy?
I haven't played the game, nor the one before it, and don't intend to, but I sure have read enough on the internet to confidently say that games can feature tortured, screaming souls, and not cross the line. Until those tortured screaming souls are women. And that's just not cool, okay? I mean. Women. I'm okay with the bloody and grotesque destruction of a virtual human. As long as it's a man.