Randy Pitchford's enthusiam for DNF is a little contageous. I mean the stuff that's in the game sounds good on paper, but I'm afraid that its loooooooong development cycle sorta sealed it in a time capsule, and stuff that was cool 12 years ago might not translate well to today.
Fingers crossed though. My gut still screams "Mediocre"
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Randy Pitchford's enthusiam for DNF is a little contageous. I mean the stuff that's in the game sounds good on paper, but I'm afraid that its loooooooong development cycle sorta sealed it in a time capsule, and stuff that was cool 12 years ago might not translate well to today.
Fingers crossed though. My gut still screams "Mediocre"
The current game as it stands is from 2007.
Everything before that was thrown out.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
edited May 2011
Tossing Benjamin at strippers totally translates well even today, I'm just sayin'.
You realize the Feces video you are complaining about was released on April 1st correct?
Anyway I think your article is a bit premature since it is really hard to say that DNF is a missed opportunity without actually having played the game. Really all Duke needs to be is fun.
Your article arbitrarily decides that DNF should somehow live up to some nebulous concept of video game commentary and proceeds to tell us how an unreleased product could be better. I could make a similar argument that DNF is a missed opportunity for not glorifying the color mauve nearly as much as it could. For all I know there is an entire level dedicated to shooting aliens in the Museum of Mauve.
What the marketing videos are demonstrating is what you can do. When they say this game has more interactivity than any other game they need to show that. So they do. I went through the intro level in the detonators stadium twice and completely missed the poop. I wonder exactly how many people did not realize it was there. I bet Gearbox knows. However the lap dances, the glory holes, the poop flinging all of that looks to be optional content. It is stuff in the world for you to discover, and reward you for finding.
For instance one thing I found awesome was looking in a mirror in Dukes Penthouse. One of the comments he makes is about how awesome his butt is, and how you want to take a look. I then proceeded to turn away to check something else and Duke commented on how I could not resist checking out his ass.
Also you exaggerate several points
Furthermore, Duke 3D was a parody of the newest technology at the time. You have interactive environments in your game? Watch Duke interact with toilets. You have voice acting in your game? Listen to our main character tell you to "Eat shit and die." Your game is too violent? Duke can kill strippers. Everything was taken to a ridiculous extreme in Duke 3D - but it wasn't mindless. It was a commentary on the latest fads in the video game industry. Stuff like that made Duke Nukem 3D stand apart.
What FPS of the D3d generation had interactive environments? A light switch actually working was revolutionary at the time. Voice acting was generally unheard of at the time, so Duke actually talking was a major feat however Strife, which was released 3 months after D3d utilized much more extensive voice acting. Killing innocent bystanders has been around since well before Duke. Heck we were murdering people en masse with a persuadotron in syndicate back in 93. Neither the violence, or the voice acting was taken to a ridiculous extreme. At best the voice acting was more adult oriented, but the violence itself is generally on par for a FPS of the time.
The thing you are missing is that Duke himself is the joke played completely straight.
Furthermore, Duke 3D was a parody of the newest technology at the time.
I completely disagree with this statement. There really weren't that many 3D games out back then, and this game innovated a lot of little things really well, and just happened to wrap it up in a package that appealed to the base-nature of men everywhere. To say it was a parody was to give them too much credit, as if they knew they were making fun of the video game industry. I don't think you can provide any evidence to back such a claim. For me, that game was the pinnacle of 3D gaming at the time, not because it had the absolute best graphics, but what it did, it did very well and made it incredibly fun.
Men want to be men, and our modern culture curtails our behavior (mostly for the better) such that having an outlet where a man can virtually do manly things that are outside societal norms has great entertainment value. Somehow the massive amounts of violence is a lot more acceptable than treating women as objects of sexual desires in a video game. Apples and oranges, but both are things men are hard-wired for but are taught to curtail.
To say that there is somehow greater value in turning this game into a clever art piece satirizing the state of the video game industry (VIOLENCE AND SEX RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE) is to ignore the obvious: guys like to blow shit up and look at boobies and have unabashed fun while doing both. I'd even argue that the only thing that will ultimately save this game is the fact that it has stayed true to character in its unapologetic fashion. People care about this game because they know exactly what they're getting. If this was another type of game it would have been just another tombstone in a graveyard of cancelled projects. This is different because it's Duke and we love him for being himself.
Is he still around? and does he still have that receipt and will gamestop honor it?
I'm still around . I also still have the preorder receipt. I would post here more often lately Ive been busy working on my own games.
Not sure if Gamestop will honor it or not, but the store I got it from is still in business. So I'll give it a shot!
Randy Pitchford also stated that Gearbox would like to do something special for those of us with really old preorders. They did contact me about this a while ago but they haven't responded to my last email. I'll try again today I guess.
They should give it to you for free, or at least put your name in the credits under a "Okay, you guys can stop holding your breath now..."/special thanks section or something. :P
It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
The HURD Kernel, WinFS, and the immensely stupid made up by fanboys "Metroid Dread" are probably going to be brought up somewhere.
It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
what about the MMO Dawn?
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It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
Not to get too far off topic, but is Ep. 3 really vaporware? While we all know it is coming, somewhere, it has never officially been announced. True vaporware needs to officially exist before it counts in my mind.
... Plus Ep. 3 is only counting from the Orange Box. That really isn't that long.
It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
It'll be weird to have this be released. This game has been in development for literally half of my life. (I was 14 when it was announced and I turned 28 this year.. so a little bit longer than half of my life.)
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
Not to get too far off topic, but is Ep. 3 really vaporware? While we all know it is coming, somewhere, it has never officially been announced. True vaporware needs to officially exist before it counts in my mind.
What constitutes officially announced? Valve has said on multiple occasions that there will be 3 episodes, and even had a press release for Episode 1 that said that Episode 2 was coming out by the end of 2006 and Episode 3 would be out by Christmas of 2007. Linky
I think giving a release window constitutes enough of an announcement.
... Plus Ep. 3 is only counting from the Orange Box. That really isn't that long.
If it was a full game, or if we had seen anything about it by now beyond two pieces of concept art, I'd agree with you. But it's an episode that Valve originally estimated at a 6-8 month development time, and that it's contemporaries (Episode 1 and 2) each made it out in 1.5 year intervals. Instead of getting Episode 3 1.5 years after the Orange Box, we've gotten some bits of concept art over the course of three and a half years. That qualifies it as vaporware in my book.
"Vaporware" is stuff that is probable to never see the light of day. "Episode 3" will obviously be coming out eventually, in some form or another. The only question is if it'll be an expansion pack like the last episodes or a full game
"Vaporware" is stuff that is probable to never see the light of day. "Episode 3" will obviously be coming out eventually, in some form or another. The only question is if it'll be an expansion pack like the last episodes or a full game
Eh, the term vaporware has mutated over the last decade thanks to Wired's "Vaporware awards." Usually it's just something that's been delayed excessively. It's the reason Duke managed to get on there for years and years, even before it went from "Man this game is taking a long time" to "this game is a complete joke and is never coming out."
I mean, shit, Starcraft II was on that list.
EDIT: But if my use of the word Vaporware doesn't jibe with you, just replace it with "delayware" or something.
EDIT: I thought it would be fun to list all the times DNF won Vaporware awards, but it was just a little depressing (plus my browser screwed up and lost everything I had written :P)
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G RolDorsia? Nobody goes there anymore...Nell'sRegistered Userregular
I wrote an article about how I think DNF is a missed opportunity.
I'm ready for the dogpile.
You're giving the 3D Realms guys way too much credit. They most certainly were not crafting a subtle indictment on the gaming industry's trends. Just dig up the "making of Duke" featurette on gametrailers. Those dudes were just coming up with goofy shit for Duke to say off the top of their heads and fooling around with "wouldn't it be cool if..." scenarios.
Slash has mentioned that the store he preordered from no longer exists, so he can't really redeem it at this point.
I would be damn disappointed in Gearbox if they don't give Slash a free copy for keeping the spirit of Duke alive.
All of us PA forumers ought to start a petition on Slash's behalf for just this. For justice.
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edited May 2011
And being the cool kids that we are, we would probably pitch in and buy it for him again if they didn't. And then publicize it. Because we are kinda [strike]dicks[/strike] geese sometimes too.
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...and when you are done with that; take a folding
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
And being the cool kids that we are, we would probably pitch in and buy it for him again if they didn't. And then publicize it. Because we are kinda [strike]dicks[/strike] geese sometimes too.
I'd be willing to toss a couple bucks in for this idea.
Not sure if Gamestop will honor it or not, but the store I got it from is still in business. So I'll give it a shot!
I'm not sure where I got that the first time.
Like 3 pages ago? At least I hope so. That man is fucking internet-famous, even if they're closed, they damned well better reopen to sell Slash his DNF!
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Also, the more I've listened to the new grab bag theme the more it has grown on me.
Fingers crossed though. My gut still screams "Mediocre"
The current game as it stands is from 2007.
Everything before that was thrown out.
I'm ready for the dogpile.
Anyway I think your article is a bit premature since it is really hard to say that DNF is a missed opportunity without actually having played the game. Really all Duke needs to be is fun.
Your article arbitrarily decides that DNF should somehow live up to some nebulous concept of video game commentary and proceeds to tell us how an unreleased product could be better. I could make a similar argument that DNF is a missed opportunity for not glorifying the color mauve nearly as much as it could. For all I know there is an entire level dedicated to shooting aliens in the Museum of Mauve.
What the marketing videos are demonstrating is what you can do. When they say this game has more interactivity than any other game they need to show that. So they do. I went through the intro level in the detonators stadium twice and completely missed the poop. I wonder exactly how many people did not realize it was there. I bet Gearbox knows. However the lap dances, the glory holes, the poop flinging all of that looks to be optional content. It is stuff in the world for you to discover, and reward you for finding.
For instance one thing I found awesome was looking in a mirror in Dukes Penthouse. One of the comments he makes is about how awesome his butt is, and how you want to take a look. I then proceeded to turn away to check something else and Duke commented on how I could not resist checking out his ass.
Also you exaggerate several points
What FPS of the D3d generation had interactive environments? A light switch actually working was revolutionary at the time. Voice acting was generally unheard of at the time, so Duke actually talking was a major feat however Strife, which was released 3 months after D3d utilized much more extensive voice acting. Killing innocent bystanders has been around since well before Duke. Heck we were murdering people en masse with a persuadotron in syndicate back in 93. Neither the violence, or the voice acting was taken to a ridiculous extreme. At best the voice acting was more adult oriented, but the violence itself is generally on par for a FPS of the time.
The thing you are missing is that Duke himself is the joke played completely straight.
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Gearbox didn't do much, they were given a mostly complete game.
How's the working out for you now, Ritual?
I completely disagree with this statement. There really weren't that many 3D games out back then, and this game innovated a lot of little things really well, and just happened to wrap it up in a package that appealed to the base-nature of men everywhere. To say it was a parody was to give them too much credit, as if they knew they were making fun of the video game industry. I don't think you can provide any evidence to back such a claim. For me, that game was the pinnacle of 3D gaming at the time, not because it had the absolute best graphics, but what it did, it did very well and made it incredibly fun.
Men want to be men, and our modern culture curtails our behavior (mostly for the better) such that having an outlet where a man can virtually do manly things that are outside societal norms has great entertainment value. Somehow the massive amounts of violence is a lot more acceptable than treating women as objects of sexual desires in a video game. Apples and oranges, but both are things men are hard-wired for but are taught to curtail.
To say that there is somehow greater value in turning this game into a clever art piece satirizing the state of the video game industry (VIOLENCE AND SEX RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE) is to ignore the obvious: guys like to blow shit up and look at boobies and have unabashed fun while doing both. I'd even argue that the only thing that will ultimately save this game is the fact that it has stayed true to character in its unapologetic fashion. People care about this game because they know exactly what they're getting. If this was another type of game it would have been just another tombstone in a graveyard of cancelled projects. This is different because it's Duke and we love him for being himself.
Edit: Also awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhf3OpCJY_o
http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/219705/gamestop-will-honor-all-duke-nukem-pre-orders-even-decade-old-ones/
They should give it to you for free, or at least put your name in the credits under a "Okay, you guys can stop holding your breath now..."/special thanks section or something. :P
http://www.dailytech.com/EVGA+Gearbox+Team+Up+for+Duke+Nukem+ForeverGeForce+GTX+560+Bundle/article21741.htm
That's actually tempting.
Demo on Friday.
If you signed up for it you get early access to the demo.
Jeeze, Team Fortress 2 released. Starcraft 2 released. Duke Nukem Forever released.
Half-Life 2: Episode 3 is really the last near-mythical vaporware left.
The HURD Kernel, WinFS, and the immensely stupid made up by fanboys "Metroid Dread" are probably going to be brought up somewhere.
Also Halo Chronicles and the Halo movie.
My world will be turned upside down.
what about the MMO Dawn?
Not to get too far off topic, but is Ep. 3 really vaporware? While we all know it is coming, somewhere, it has never officially been announced. True vaporware needs to officially exist before it counts in my mind.
... Plus Ep. 3 is only counting from the Orange Box. That really isn't that long.
Jumpgate: Evolution.
Edit: naming MMOs is almost cheating here... ;-)
What constitutes officially announced? Valve has said on multiple occasions that there will be 3 episodes, and even had a press release for Episode 1 that said that Episode 2 was coming out by the end of 2006 and Episode 3 would be out by Christmas of 2007. Linky
I think giving a release window constitutes enough of an announcement.
If it was a full game, or if we had seen anything about it by now beyond two pieces of concept art, I'd agree with you. But it's an episode that Valve originally estimated at a 6-8 month development time, and that it's contemporaries (Episode 1 and 2) each made it out in 1.5 year intervals. Instead of getting Episode 3 1.5 years after the Orange Box, we've gotten some bits of concept art over the course of three and a half years. That qualifies it as vaporware in my book.
Eh, the term vaporware has mutated over the last decade thanks to Wired's "Vaporware awards." Usually it's just something that's been delayed excessively. It's the reason Duke managed to get on there for years and years, even before it went from "Man this game is taking a long time" to "this game is a complete joke and is never coming out."
I mean, shit, Starcraft II was on that list.
EDIT: But if my use of the word Vaporware doesn't jibe with you, just replace it with "delayware" or something.
EDIT: I thought it would be fun to list all the times DNF won Vaporware awards, but it was just a little depressing (plus my browser screwed up and lost everything I had written :P)
You're giving the 3D Realms guys way too much credit. They most certainly were not crafting a subtle indictment on the gaming industry's trends. Just dig up the "making of Duke" featurette on gametrailers. Those dudes were just coming up with goofy shit for Duke to say off the top of their heads and fooling around with "wouldn't it be cool if..." scenarios.
Slash has mentioned that the store he preordered from no longer exists, so he can't really redeem it at this point.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I would be damn disappointed in Gearbox if they don't give Slash a free copy for keeping the spirit of Duke alive.
I never asked for this!
All of us PA forumers ought to start a petition on Slash's behalf for just this. For justice.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I'd be willing to toss a couple bucks in for this idea.
And yes, let us honk, my goosey brethren.
I can get behind this idea 110%.
I never asked for this!
I'm not sure where I got that the first time.
Like 3 pages ago? At least I hope so. That man is fucking internet-famous, even if they're closed, they damned well better reopen to sell Slash his DNF!
I could have sworn Slash said that store wasn't in business anymore though. (This was years ago though.)
I can back you up here. I remember him saying the same thing a few years ago too.