I'm going into this completely unspoiled from glimpses at the new Pokemon, aside from the starters, their evolutions, and and few other select ones.
1) The grass starter is the neatest looking one to me (for the first time ever I prefer a grass starter to the ohters), but I've heard its moves aren't that good and the fire and water types are better battle-wise. Has anyone who has it gone with the grass starter?
2) Which version has the superior selection of exclusives? I see the OP and that White has more, but since I haven't seen a majority of the new Pokemon, I'm wondering which version has the good ones and which has the trash 'mons.
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I don't know much about this game, just asking because I'm curious, and apologies if it's been talked to death already: does it have any D/P silliness like having one fire pokemon for the whole game? What's the most under-represented type? (Unfairly so, I understand that there shouldn't be a lot of ghost or dragon...)
Well, overall Smugleaf might be the worst starter, but it's not a horrible choice by any means. You can get through the game with it just fine.
Its movepool is alright actually, its stats are mediocre though. But yeah, if you like it, just pick it.
I don't know much about this game, just asking because I'm curious, and apologies if it's been talked to death already: does it have any D/P silliness like having one fire pokemon for the whole game? What's the most under-represented type? (Unfairly so, I understand that there shouldn't be a lot of ghost or dragon...)
Nope, in that regard it's amazingly balanced, maybe the most balanced version so far. Plenty of good choices for each type, if you count dual-types.
Snivy line is a good health zapper with Leech Seed + Giga Drain. Combine that with the Big Root (increases the effects of healing) item and the thing just won't die.
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I don't know if I'll get this one...Diamond hit me as hard as WoW. I knew absolutely everything about that game and had so many days logged. Then I missed too many of the rare giveaways and all my plans to finally catch 'em all were just too time consuming, so I eventually gave it up and I've since forgotten everything. I've got like 30 Skarmorys that I bred sitting in a box and I have no idea why.
Hopefully they'll put out a 3DS remix of Black and White!
Hopefully they'll put out a 3DS remix of Black and White!
I wouldn't count on it. Pokemon usually takes a while to get released each gen. I would expect the next generation to be an actual 3ds game.
And it doesn't come out until tomorrow, but some stores have broken street date. The most prolific I hear is BJ's wholesale club, but you need a membership there.
There aren't many water types that I encountered so far, so the grass starter seems a bit suboptimal compared to previous games. It doesn't help that there are a fuckton of bug/poison, bug/grass and grass/poison types.
Hopefully they'll put out a 3DS remix of Black and White!
I wouldn't count on it. Pokemon usually takes a while to get released each gen. I would expect the next generation to be an actual 3ds game.
I don't know about that. Have they confirmed that the "Gray" version will be released for the DS, a soon-to-be-dead system? It wouldn't be hard to put it on 3DS, and it'd do an awesome job of getting people to upgrade.
And I'd sooner expect an upgraded port of Ruby/Sapphire before the next mainline game, with another Pokewalker that connects to the 3DS's built in infrared port.
I think they said they won't release an updated version. Don't quote me on that though.
I don't get the reasoning anyway to put off getting B/W, especially if you want to compete with other people. Once the next iteration comes out, everyone will have the shiniest stuff while you have to start from scratch.
I think they said they won't release an updated version. Don't quote me on that though.
I don't get the reasoning anyway to put off getting B/W, especially if you want to compete with other people. Once the next iteration comes out, everyone will have the shiniest stuff while you have to start from scratch.
They also sad they wouldn't release Platinum or Emerald before their respective releases. And they have done the same thing with the bump to the next gen handheld system, Gold and Silver were on GB but Crystal was Color only. I have a feeling Gray will be a 3DS game and come out in 20 months or so.
I skipped HG/SS too and Platinum doesn't offer much over D/P. While you can transfer Pokemon from those games to B/W, you can't transfer items, so everyone has to start from the beginning more or less. Since it's a new generation pokemon have to be bred. A number of old pokemon have superior abilities in B/W's dream world, so those have to be bred anewl. Honestly, it's the most polished entry in the series from what I've played so far. Perfect time to be the best there ever was.
So if I go to Walmart and they have Black or White behind the glass, would a clueless Walmart employee get it out for me? Furthermore, could I take it up to the self check out and buy it there?
Hopefully they'll put out a 3DS remix of Black and White!
I wouldn't count on it. Pokemon usually takes a while to get released each gen. I would expect the next generation to be an actual 3ds game.
I don't know about that. Have they confirmed that the "Gray" version will be released for the DS, a soon-to-be-dead system? It wouldn't be hard to put it on 3DS, and it'd do an awesome job of getting people to upgrade.
And I'd sooner expect an upgraded port of Ruby/Sapphire before the next mainline game, with another Pokewalker that connects to the 3DS's built in infrared port.
I doubt there'll be another Pokéwalker to use with the 3DS. It has accelerometers in it already, and comes with a pedometer app installed.
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Do we really need a remake of Ruby/Sapphire? The Red/Green remakes came about because there was no solid method to getting the original generation since the GBA games locked them out. Just the occasional 'mon peppered here and there. And the same can be said for Gold/Silver as well. But for now, the current road between generations - that is GBA and DS - isn't closed yet. Though I will admit it's rapidly becoming a convoluted process. And I do wonder if between all the DS games so far if most of the R/S generation are represented in one form or another.
I mean I wouldn't put it past them to do a remake. I just wonder if we've hit the need for one yet.
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Do we really need a remake of Ruby/Sapphire? The Red/Green remakes came about because there was no solid method to getting the original generation since the GBA games locked them out. Just the occasional 'mon peppered here and there. And the same can be said for Gold/Silver as well. But for now, the current road between generations - that is GBA and DS - isn't closed yet. Though I will admit it's rapidly becoming a convoluted process. And I do wonder if between all the DS games so far if most of the R/S generation are represented in one form or another.
I mean I wouldn't put it past them to do a remake. I just wonder if we've hit the need for one yet.
Will it make money? Then yes, we probably do need one. :P
I also don't buy the whole "there's totally still a convoluted as hell path to the 3rd gen still" argument. Ruby and Sapphire were released in 2002 in Japan. They'll be ten years old next year, roughly as old as Gold and Silver at the time of their remakes' release. As large as the older fanbase for Pokemon is, it's no where near as huge as the young fanbase for it. Expecting eight year olds to buy games that are older than they are for some Pokemon is really stretching things, I think.
Ruby/Sapphire were not nearly as popular as Gen 1 and 2. Would not be surprised if they skipped the remakes this gen.
That doesn't really say a whole lot. Gen 3 may've been the low point for the series in terms of popularity, but Ruby and Sapphire were some of the fastest selling games of their time in Japan, and amongst the most sold games of 2003. They were anything but failures, and we're hitting the point where kids who jumped into the series with RS are looking back on it with nostalgia.
Do we really need a remake of Ruby/Sapphire? The Red/Green remakes came about because there was no solid method to getting the original generation since the GBA games locked them out. Just the occasional 'mon peppered here and there. And the same can be said for Gold/Silver as well. But for now, the current road between generations - that is GBA and DS - isn't closed yet. Though I will admit it's rapidly becoming a convoluted process. And I do wonder if between all the DS games so far if most of the R/S generation are represented in one form or another.
I mean I wouldn't put it past them to do a remake. I just wonder if we've hit the need for one yet.
Will it make money? Then yes, we probably do need one. :P
I also don't buy the whole "there's totally still a convoluted as hell path to the 3rd gen still" argument. Ruby and Sapphire were released in 2002 in Japan. They'll be ten years old next year, roughly as old as Gold and Silver at the time of their remakes' release. As large as the older fanbase for Pokemon is, it's no where near as huge as the young fanbase for it. Expecting eight year olds to buy games that are older than they are for some Pokemon is really stretching things, I think.
that's not a valid argument considering you can catch every poke from the third gen in 4th gen carts, not including events. just the excuse of making money will make them release the remake. there are some subtle hints in the music that make you think a remake is imminent if dppt are an indication of that.
Do we really need a remake of Ruby/Sapphire? The Red/Green remakes came about because there was no solid method to getting the original generation since the GBA games locked them out. Just the occasional 'mon peppered here and there. And the same can be said for Gold/Silver as well. But for now, the current road between generations - that is GBA and DS - isn't closed yet. Though I will admit it's rapidly becoming a convoluted process. And I do wonder if between all the DS games so far if most of the R/S generation are represented in one form or another.
I mean I wouldn't put it past them to do a remake. I just wonder if we've hit the need for one yet.
Will it make money? Then yes, we probably do need one. :P
I also don't buy the whole "there's totally still a convoluted as hell path to the 3rd gen still" argument. Ruby and Sapphire were released in 2002 in Japan. They'll be ten years old next year, roughly as old as Gold and Silver at the time of their remakes' release. As large as the older fanbase for Pokemon is, it's no where near as huge as the young fanbase for it. Expecting eight year olds to buy games that are older than they are for some Pokemon is really stretching things, I think.
that's not a valid argument considering you can catch every poke from the third gen in 4th gen carts, not including events. just the excuse of making money will make them release the remake. there are some subtle hints in the music that make you think a remake is imminent if dppt are an indication of that.
Every Pokemon except the three original Regis, actually. The only way to get them in the 4th gen is through an event Regigigas (which you can't get anymore) or to transfer them from third gen. And they aren't available in BW, either.
But yes, the money argument is vastly more reasonable.
Well yeah, like I admit, maybe the road is a tad too convoluted now. It basically boils down to "track down an 8 year old out of print card, track down a previous out of date game, track down a DS with a GBA port that may possibly be out of print, then trade between those games, and then finally to B/W". That is quite a tall order, and I can see doing a remake because of that.
But then again, outside of the R/S legendaries, aren't virtually all of the Gen IV 'mons available in some form or another between the DS games?
Honestly though, and this is just me speaking, when it comes time to do the fully fledged 3DS Pokemon game, I'd rather they not redo Ruby/Sapphire. Instead, with the game space that'll come with it, I'd rather they make a brand new game, but in the process put every single pokemon in there, in some form or another, and then do the version split. Like Charmander, Mewtwo, Ho-oh, and Grouden on one side, Squirtle, Mew, Lugia, and Kyogre on the other, and so on. Remove the need to dig around in the old games for old starters/legendaries.
Of couse though, I realize what I just said, and there's no freaking way in hell they'll do that. :P Still, be nice to dream though.
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Man, just finished up on my Surf detour, took 4ish hours all in all. Impressive when you consider that I've still got two badges to go!
Got a sweet haul of HMs/TMs and pokes too; Waterfall, Axew and Cobalion (one of this gen's triomons) being the cream of the crop (and the aforementioned Larvesta of course).
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1) The grass starter is the neatest looking one to me (for the first time ever I prefer a grass starter to the ohters), but I've heard its moves aren't that good and the fire and water types are better battle-wise. Has anyone who has it gone with the grass starter?
2) Which version has the superior selection of exclusives? I see the OP and that White has more, but since I haven't seen a majority of the new Pokemon, I'm wondering which version has the good ones and which has the trash 'mons.
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Its movepool is alright actually, its stats are mediocre though. But yeah, if you like it, just pick it.
Nope, in that regard it's amazingly balanced, maybe the most balanced version so far. Plenty of good choices for each type, if you count dual-types.
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I wouldn't count on it. Pokemon usually takes a while to get released each gen. I would expect the next generation to be an actual 3ds game.
And it doesn't come out until tomorrow, but some stores have broken street date. The most prolific I hear is BJ's wholesale club, but you need a membership there.
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I don't know about that. Have they confirmed that the "Gray" version will be released for the DS, a soon-to-be-dead system? It wouldn't be hard to put it on 3DS, and it'd do an awesome job of getting people to upgrade.
And I'd sooner expect an upgraded port of Ruby/Sapphire before the next mainline game, with another Pokewalker that connects to the 3DS's built in infrared port.
I don't get the reasoning anyway to put off getting B/W, especially if you want to compete with other people. Once the next iteration comes out, everyone will have the shiniest stuff while you have to start from scratch.
They also sad they wouldn't release Platinum or Emerald before their respective releases. And they have done the same thing with the bump to the next gen handheld system, Gold and Silver were on GB but Crystal was Color only. I have a feeling Gray will be a 3DS game and come out in 20 months or so.
I doubt there'll be another Pokéwalker to use with the 3DS. It has accelerometers in it already, and comes with a pedometer app installed.
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I mean I wouldn't put it past them to do a remake. I just wonder if we've hit the need for one yet.
Will it make money? Then yes, we probably do need one. :P
I also don't buy the whole "there's totally still a convoluted as hell path to the 3rd gen still" argument. Ruby and Sapphire were released in 2002 in Japan. They'll be ten years old next year, roughly as old as Gold and Silver at the time of their remakes' release. As large as the older fanbase for Pokemon is, it's no where near as huge as the young fanbase for it. Expecting eight year olds to buy games that are older than they are for some Pokemon is really stretching things, I think.
That doesn't really say a whole lot. Gen 3 may've been the low point for the series in terms of popularity, but Ruby and Sapphire were some of the fastest selling games of their time in Japan, and amongst the most sold games of 2003. They were anything but failures, and we're hitting the point where kids who jumped into the series with RS are looking back on it with nostalgia.
that's not a valid argument considering you can catch every poke from the third gen in 4th gen carts, not including events. just the excuse of making money will make them release the remake. there are some subtle hints in the music that make you think a remake is imminent if dppt are an indication of that.
Seriously, I have two. That fucking ugly tadpole, and the rock turtle who looks totally boring.
Also it's your fault for not choosing Wotter.
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Every Pokemon except the three original Regis, actually. The only way to get them in the 4th gen is through an event Regigigas (which you can't get anymore) or to transfer them from third gen. And they aren't available in BW, either.
But yes, the money argument is vastly more reasonable.
But then again, outside of the R/S legendaries, aren't virtually all of the Gen IV 'mons available in some form or another between the DS games?
Honestly though, and this is just me speaking, when it comes time to do the fully fledged 3DS Pokemon game, I'd rather they not redo Ruby/Sapphire. Instead, with the game space that'll come with it, I'd rather they make a brand new game, but in the process put every single pokemon in there, in some form or another, and then do the version split. Like Charmander, Mewtwo, Ho-oh, and Grouden on one side, Squirtle, Mew, Lugia, and Kyogre on the other, and so on. Remove the need to dig around in the old games for old starters/legendaries.
Of couse though, I realize what I just said, and there's no freaking way in hell they'll do that. :P Still, be nice to dream though.
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Just got Surf too. Not that I know what to do with it. Unova is massive.
Got a sweet haul of HMs/TMs and pokes too; Waterfall, Axew and Cobalion (one of this gen's triomons) being the cream of the crop (and the aforementioned Larvesta of course).
I just need Surf.