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    manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    I'm working on my prereqs for the Army Baylor Physical Therapist program. I'd do some training, non combat, learn basic military protocols, and then go into their program. I'm doing my GRE over the summer. If for some reason I don't get it, I can still take two years of med school and have the army "buy out" my practicum with loan repayments so long as I do a 3-4 year stint right? Medical stuff is still hot right?

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Medical stuff is always hot.

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    BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    Being a medical officer in the Army is pretty much as close to being in the Air Force as you can get without being in the Air Force :biggrin:

    " I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Bloodycow wrote: »
    Being a medical officer in the Army is pretty much as close to being in the Air Force as you can get without being in the Air Force :biggrin:

    I always joke with male friends when we see a Medical unit.

    Me "Those are Med Service Corps Soldiers/officers"

    Them "How can you tell?"

    Me "They look happy and all of the females are really hot"

    Them SHARP! SHARP! SHARP!" /s

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    I'm starting to think that maybe the Army just isn't for me.

    I'm currently filling in as this MP Battalion's S6. I overall just really feel abused as the S6. I'm managing the Battalion's Safety Program. Despite it taking up 2/3rds of my time, my CoC is okay with me doing it despite it having a significant impact on my ability to actually do anything commo related. I've talked to my XO/BC about it and both their responses are, "it's a good experience for you. Sounds like you aren't time managing properly. Stop making excuses for why you can't do your job". What they're also ignoring is that it's impeding my ability to manage maintenance and conduct any other commo events. The issues we have here in this Battalion is that nobody uses their commo equipment. They're very good at pencil whipping and "faking the funk". To the BC, her shit looks good. When we do our walks down the motor pool we constantly find unsecured radios, improperly installed BFTs that are Red on everything, broken equipment, trashed equipment, etc. It's infuriating because I'm chained to my desk doing Safety silliness and can't make an impact on it.

    The icing on this whole thing however is my 3 Shop. Every Time a 12 or 24 volt plug item goes bad I hear the horrible shrieking banshee of the second floor scream, "S6 GET UP HERE. NOT A SOLDIER. ACTUAL S6" where she tries to verbally stab and cut me about how I'm doing a bad job because her electrical items don't work. What really makes me mad too is that her shop has 18 Soldiers working there, yet, it's my shop's whole two man crew's fucking problem to fix things like a projector every single time. I talked to the now outgoing XO about this and hes like, "lol that sucks. Figure it out LT". I haven't talked to the new XO yet, but I honestly doubt he's going to change it that much.

    Weeks like these last two make me really question why I'm still here. I feel too intelligent to deal with this shit.

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    RadiationRadiation Registered User regular
    Sorry shits rough man.
    Is it Army norm for O's to deal with squadron programs? I ran safety for my flight, and I think filled for squadron for a bit. Also training. I can't recall an O ever being around those programs unless something was super fucked.
    How long do you have left?

    Also, unrelated is anyone out of Stuttgart?

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Radiation wrote: »
    Sorry shits rough man.
    Is it Army norm for O's to deal with squadron programs? I ran safety for my flight, and I think filled for squadron for a bit. Also training. I can't recall an O ever being around those programs unless something was super fucked.
    How long do you have left?

    Also, unrelated is anyone out of Stuttgart?

    Yeah. At Battalion (Squadron if you're Cav or Air Force) Junior Os (1LT and Captains) usually get the honor of being OICs for various programs. Safety wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a Safety Advisor from hell working at BDE. Our Brigade Safety Officer was my Battalion's CSM for two years, then he moved up to Brigade to be the CSM there before retiring. Hes been hanging out for the last six years now in that job demanding AGARs for just about anything that happens. I think the worst one I had to submit yet was a paper cut that got infected. I no shit had to submit an Army Ground Accident Report over an infected paper cut.

    :?

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    I lost three of my Soldiers and another wounded about two weeks ago on June 10th while supporting the operation in Nangarhar, Afghanistan. It was an insider attack that the Taliban took credit for. He somehow managed to infiltrate the Afghan commandos and avoided vetting by US biometrics.

    I think what's bothering me most is how little this bothers me.

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    RadiationRadiation Registered User regular
    I lost three of my Soldiers and another wounded about two weeks ago on June 10th while supporting the operation in Nangarhar, Afghanistan. It was an insider attack that the Taliban took credit for. He somehow managed to infiltrate the Afghan commandos and avoided vetting by US biometrics.

    I think what's bothering me most is how little this bothers me.

    Sorry man, that's rough.

    I know people deal with that on their own timeline, and some bottle it up until after the deployment to fully process that kind of thing. If you ever need someone to talk to, PM me or I imagine anyone in this thread.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Waffen wrote: »
    Radiation wrote: »
    Sorry shits rough man.
    Is it Army norm for O's to deal with squadron programs? I ran safety for my flight, and I think filled for squadron for a bit. Also training. I can't recall an O ever being around those programs unless something was super fucked.
    How long do you have left?

    Also, unrelated is anyone out of Stuttgart?

    Yeah. At Battalion (Squadron if you're Cav or Air Force) Junior Os (1LT and Captains) usually get the honor of being OICs for various programs. Safety wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a Safety Advisor from hell working at BDE. Our Brigade Safety Officer was my Battalion's CSM for two years, then he moved up to Brigade to be the CSM there before retiring. Hes been hanging out for the last six years now in that job demanding AGARs for just about anything that happens. I think the worst one I had to submit yet was a paper cut that got infected. I no shit had to submit an Army Ground Accident Report over an infected paper cut.

    :?

    I don't really know what goes on on the officer side, but safety stuff was always done by NCOs. Is there some way that you could grab some SSGs and delegate out some of that stuff? If you're at a tactical unit that isn't deployed, there's got to be a metric fuckton of people not doing anything but trying to hide from being voluntold to do some stuff. Find some people who are on profile and can't do all the physical stuff and give them a desk and something to do. Honestly no one above you is ever going to give a crap about you, at least that was my experience in the army. There are probably some bored sergeants and specialists though that might enjoy doing something different.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    @mosssnack Chief quotas are out.

    http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/documents/Cycle 234 E7 Quotas FY18.pdf

    I'm a little excited this time. I routinely ranked around the top 20% for previous advancements and evaluations. This cycle has my odds at nearly one in three.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Waffen wrote: »
    Radiation wrote: »
    Sorry shits rough man.
    Is it Army norm for O's to deal with squadron programs? I ran safety for my flight, and I think filled for squadron for a bit. Also training. I can't recall an O ever being around those programs unless something was super fucked.
    How long do you have left?

    Also, unrelated is anyone out of Stuttgart?

    Yeah. At Battalion (Squadron if you're Cav or Air Force) Junior Os (1LT and Captains) usually get the honor of being OICs for various programs. Safety wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a Safety Advisor from hell working at BDE. Our Brigade Safety Officer was my Battalion's CSM for two years, then he moved up to Brigade to be the CSM there before retiring. Hes been hanging out for the last six years now in that job demanding AGARs for just about anything that happens. I think the worst one I had to submit yet was a paper cut that got infected. I no shit had to submit an Army Ground Accident Report over an infected paper cut.

    :?

    I don't really know what goes on on the officer side, but safety stuff was always done by NCOs. Is there some way that you could grab some SSGs and delegate out some of that stuff? If you're at a tactical unit that isn't deployed, there's got to be a metric fuckton of people not doing anything but trying to hide from being voluntold to do some stuff. Find some people who are on profile and can't do all the physical stuff and give them a desk and something to do. Honestly no one above you is ever going to give a crap about you, at least that was my experience in the army. There are probably some bored sergeants and specialists though that might enjoy doing something different.

    Things ironically are getting...better

    The XO came by last week and gave me a heart to heart. "Waffen. I know it's not S6's job to hook up all their shit. We're going to put an emphasis on maintenance and squeeze these Line Companies" and squeeze he did. Literally today we went line-by-line for every piece of Commo equipment that was 100% or was under 75% and he asked them. "Is it really 100%? So if we go downstairs right now you're going to have the best comms on JBLM?" and for everything else he was like, "Why is it broken? What have you done to fix it?". It was glorious.

    He however won't let me leave safety as he says, "I'm the best Safety Officer in the BDE. Hell no you aren't being released!"

    Waffles or whatever on
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    mosssnackmosssnack Yeah right, man, Bishop should go! Good idea!Registered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Nice man! @Quid thanks for the heads up!

    Being an ETR gives me a 25% chance. This exam I was top 13% and my evals are pretty solid. My last eval on shore duty was #1 of 47 and my first periodic here on my new sub was a strong MP. Aaaand I finally qualified Chief of the Watch earlier this year. If I don't get selected this year, I'm gonna be pretty fucking heart broken.

    Like, I literally have everything a radioman needs to put on anchors. Everything would line up pretty well, too. Most of the season would be spent underway for me, which I'm all about. I'd most likely go to a new sub, which wouldn't affect my sea/shore rotation much. I've already done 1 of 4 years, picking up chief and transferring would start me over at 0 of 3 which works just fine.

    Dude, I'm pretty excited. And terrified. Good luck to ya, brother.

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    Good luck to both of you! I'm...almost rated! Maybe!

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    mosssnackmosssnack Yeah right, man, Bishop should go! Good idea!Registered User regular
    Thanks! I hope you've enjoyed "A" school! My first two years spent in "A" and "C" schools were easily the years I've had in the Navy. Do you happen to know where you're going next?

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    I have a pretty good idea but it depends rather heavily on the next couple weeks so I don't want to jinx it.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    My psychiatrist diagnosed me with PTSD.

    Honestly, this is a surprise. After she gave me a certain kind of medication normally used to treat it (Lamotrigine I think it's called?) and the massive improvement that followed, she said I had undergone enough significant stresses that this was the correct diagnosis.

    Aside from a bad (sometimes emotionally abusive) marriage, I've only ever had a few little things, like a guy threatening to slit my throat for saying he didn't sweep the hallway in the barracks, almost getting shot from a misfire at the range, and a grenade sim detonating in my hand. But, nothing that I have nightmares about or keep thinking about...

    I don't know. I think she might have misdiagnosed me, and I'll talk to her at my next appointment about it.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    I got my bonus today. A fourth of all my debt just got murdered. More to come on the anniversary date for the next few years.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    If your bonus up front this year was big enough, watch out that it might bump you up a tax bracket and you might owe some taxes when you file them next february. That happened to me and the normal like 1500 return ended up being like 500 in the hole.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    If your bonus up front this year was big enough, watch out that it might bump you up a tax bracket and you might owe some taxes when you file them next february. That happened to me and the normal like 1500 return ended up being like 500 in the hole.

    Taxes appear to be deducted from it, accurate to my (new) bracket, but others have warned me as such and I kept some in savings just in case.

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    BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    Sucks when you watch 28% of that bonus money vanish :bigfrown:

    " I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
    ― John Quincy Adams
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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    edited July 2017
    Cantido wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    If your bonus up front this year was big enough, watch out that it might bump you up a tax bracket and you might owe some taxes when you file them next february. That happened to me and the normal like 1500 return ended up being like 500 in the hole.

    Taxes appear to be deducted from it, accurate to my (new) bracket, but others have warned me as such and I kept some in savings just in case.

    Never actually thought about that. Last time I had a sign on bonus I was a broke college student. Good to know!

    Waffles or whatever on
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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    This was great today.

    The 3 Shop a few months ago succeeded in making me do their job and had me write a FRAGORD for their Air Program. I knew that the S3 didn't/doesn't proof read her FRAGORDs so I tasked her entire shop in running this range coming up for SUAS.

    Three weeks out and they came knocking on my door being all like, "Wtf dude. What's going on with it?" I showed them the FRAGORD and they're like, "Yeah, but you wrote it". I told them, "I did, but if you read the details I tasked your shop with getting the land, making the NOTAMs, the ROZ Requests, and tasking a LT to be the OIC. And look! your S3 signed off on it. There's her signature block".

    The Captain who was arguing with me wasl ike, "YOU CAN'T TASK THE S3!" I was like, "Don't tell me to write your orders then Sir. If I do your job and your 3 Signs off on it I can task whoever I want".

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    Caw caw, motherfuckers.

    I get to be a petty officer.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Being an NCO is like the biggest trap in the military. Most of the CT(x)s that i worked with hated it.

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    I mean, I don't get any particular responsibility. It's just that I finally passed the course.

    It feels kinda fantastic. I'm sure things will get onerous again in the future but for the moment...wooo!

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    HandgimpHandgimp R+L=J Family PhotoRegistered User regular
    E5 mafia is where it's at. Submarine force, anyway.

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Yeah the different branches have different points people just say screw it. Most of the navy people i worked with stopped at e5, army had e4 mafia, and there is a reason terminal lance is a comic.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Yeah the different branches have different points people just say screw it. Most of the navy people i worked with stopped at e5, army had e4 mafia, and there is a reason terminal lance is a comic.

    Don't forget E6 in the Army as well.

    Make an okay living, be able to do the most shamest of jobs, and coast until retirement since up until recently, you could retire as an E6.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Wanted to share this one here

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-city-is-the-battlefield-of-the-future-1500500905?mod=cx_picks&cx_navSource=cx_picks&cx_tag=collabctx&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s
    The battle for Mosul represents the future of warfare—and it wasn’t pretty for America’s allies. A ragtag army of a few thousand Islamic State fighters managed to hold the city for months against some 100,000 U.S.-backed Iraqi security forces. The ISIS fighters communicated via social media and were armed with crude explosive devices and drones available at Wal-Mart . In the end the rebel fighters were dislodged, but not before an estimated 7,000 people were killed and another 22,000 wounded.
    U.S. commanders ought to imagine how they would handle a similar environment. Future American conflicts will not be waged in the caves or craggy mountaintops of Afghanistan, much less the open deserts of Iraq or the jungles of Vietnam. They will be fought in cities—dense, often overpopulated and full of obstacles: labyrinthine apartment blocks, concealed tunnels, panicking civilians. The enemy will be highly networked and integrated into his surroundings. America’s next war will be the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu on steroids.
    The U.S. military must wake up to the reality of demographic trends. Over half of the world’s population resides in cities, and the United Nations estimates that figure will reach 60% by 2030. By the same year, the number of “megacities,” those with more than 10 million residents, will climb from 31 to more than 40. Such urbanization makes less plausible the traditional tactic of coercing civilians out of conflict zones to give the military free rein.
    This in turn makes cities increasingly attractive to bands of violent nonstate actors in places like the Middle East and Northern Africa. Dense populations, advances in communication technology, and the often-poor coordination between city and national-security forces can allow terror groups to control urban territory at a fraction of the cost states spend to fight back. No amount of money thrown into the U.S. defense budget will correct this urban disadvantage without a major shift in the way Americans prepare to fight.
    Surprisingly, few militaries specifically train for major urban operations. The U.S. military has no location that can adequately replicate a big city. The training sites on Army bases that are generously labeled as “urban” include a few dozen buildings at best. The three centers that certify major units for combat—the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Calif., the Joint Readiness Training Center at Fort Polk, La., and the Joint Multinational Readiness Center in Hohenfels, Germany—are in rural places. We don’t transport sand into the woods to train for desert warfare or build greenhouses to simulate jungles. We train in those environments, and we should train for urban warfare in cities.
    The only site available to the Army that comes close to what’s needed is the Indiana National Guard’s Muscatatuck Urban Training Center. This 1,000-acre facility has 68 buildings, a reservoir, a system of tunnels, and more than nine miles of roads. But Muscatatuck still lacks the density American and allied forces have repeatedly faced since the beginning of the Iraq war in 2003.
    American forces also need to be equipped to operate in large cities with new equipment, formations and doctrine. Nowhere in the U.S. Army’s doctrine—the manuals of concepts and operating procedures that guide the action of its forces—does the word “siege” appear. But this oldest form of warfare has become the chosen tactic to end urban fights in Iraq and Syria. Islamic State was able to drag out the conflicts in Mosul and Raqqa while U.S.-backed forces struggled to cut off supply routes.
    What can be done to level this imbalance on urban terrain? A first step would be to create an authentic, full-scale training site to prepare American troops. I imagine a school in an actual city, analogous to the mountain, desert and jungle operations centers the U.S. currently maintains. Major cities such as Detroit and the outer boroughs of New York have large abandoned areas that could be safely redeveloped as urban training sites.
    This is a long-term investment: A new training facility would not prevent quagmires like Mosul overnight. Critics might argue that the U.S. should focus on retaining its advantage against strategic adversaries like Russia, China and North Korea. But strategic deterrence and battlefield readiness are not mutually exclusive. Equipping soldiers to fight in cities is one way to deter enemies—state and nonstate actors alike—from challenging America directly.
    The city is the battlefield of the future, whether the U.S. military trains for it or not. Failing to invest in urban warfare only means American soldiers will be sent into combat in environments they have never seen.
    Maj. Spencer is an Army infantryman and deputy director of the Modern War Institute at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point, N.Y.

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    BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    Waffen wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Yeah the different branches have different points people just say screw it. Most of the navy people i worked with stopped at e5, army had e4 mafia, and there is a reason terminal lance is a comic.

    Don't forget E6 in the Army as well.

    Make an okay living, be able to do the most shamest of jobs, and coast until retirement since up until recently, you could retire as an E6.

    Can still retire at 20 as a SSG. I spent some time in Mosul as I spent my first tour (14 months in 03-05) in Kirkuk. Got to really love the Kurdish as a people. Shitty that part of the country is what had to fall so badly to ISIS. Should have been Baghdad area.

    " I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
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    mosssnackmosssnack Yeah right, man, Bishop should go! Good idea!Registered User regular
    Hey @quid looks like the board adjourned and the members of the board were posted. No one there I recognize, but there aren't really a ton of bubbleheads there. Two more fucking weeks, man.

    http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/boards/activedutyenlisted/Documents/FY-18 AE7 Members.pdf

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    FuselageFuselage Oosik Jumpship LoungeRegistered User regular
    Opinion on the last two days.
    A third to a half of my dudes with me on the AF are fist pumping the recent tweets, completely forgetting how critical our manning and retention is right now. Outside the other reasons it isn't good for us....bro, I need more Flight Engineers, we don't have time for this. It directly/indirectly hurts us by forcing us to shift bodies around more.

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    RadiationRadiation Registered User regular
    Fuselage wrote: »
    Opinion on the last two days.
    A third to a half of my dudes with me on the AF are fist pumping the recent tweets, completely forgetting how critical our manning and retention is right now. Outside the other reasons it isn't good for us....bro, I need more Flight Engineers, we don't have time for this. It directly/indirectly hurts us by forcing us to shift bodies around more.

    What's this now?
    Only thing I was aware of is TSgt results and Course 14 changed to be in building/not online.

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    BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    Think he is talking about Trumps transgender tweets?

    I want the 3 days back I lost having to attend all the damn transgender feel good training.

    " I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
    ― John Quincy Adams
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    RadiationRadiation Registered User regular
    Oh right. Seems like it's chasing such a tiny edge case.

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    BloodycowBloodycow Registered User regular
    Yea, I don't care at all. If he/she is willing to stand on line and send lead downrange with me, I could care less if you want to call yourself Matt or Mary.

    " I am a warrior, so that my son may be a merchant, so that his son may be a poet.”
    ― John Quincy Adams
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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    It's a bad week to be an EO Rep, that's for sure.

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    I don't think recruiters are thrilled, either. Trying to attract millenials is hard enough without being all discrimination-y. At the very least it'll polarize people rightward.

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    Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    How has detention been looking for the army with millennialist? I'm rather curious and haven't seen any concrete data. For officers, HRC has been denying requests to waive adsos and refrads, which indicate that there's a large exodus. The reserve to active program is also another sign of depleting O Corps as well. Haven't seen much about the E side of the house though

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