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Pokemon Thread IIXV: Pokemon Beyond The Moon (Page 1 NSF56K)

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    there's at least two NPC trainers you can rematch daily

    at this point I'm done trying to make the argument that while it's not what we're in any way used to, I don't think the stuff that happened is as bad as everyone is taking it to be

    but hurp durp change hurp durp


    gary i will attempt to re-add your stuff

    e: see speed racer I don't think less pokemon means less strategy
    different strategy, sure but less? i just don't feel like that's true

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    If you actually had to ask why 3v3 isn't good then you have brain problems.

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    does scraggy's moxie own as much as i feel it does

    not only does it seem really good in a battle

    it owns that my pokemon that looks rad as hell, wearing sunglasses, gets moxie after killing a nerd


    also he was big pimpin in the musical with his glasses, tophat, bowtie, and cane

    edit: t4ct i think the bigger thing is why did they feel the need to take out those aspects of the wifi and shit

    although stuff they improved on in hg/ss (pokes following you around, autorun) weren't included because b/w were being developed concurrently by a different team

    i thought

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    MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    my zebstrika can shoot lightning out of its hooves but can't target that guy over there

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    T4CT wrote: »
    there's at least two NPC trainers you can rematch daily

    at this point I'm done trying to make the argument that while it's not what we're in any way used to, I don't think the stuff that happened is as bad as everyone is taking it to be

    but hurp durp change hurp durp


    gary i will attempt to re-add your stuff

    it completely changes the way the game works and simplifies it a ton, making a large swathe of strategies pointless or bad

    there's really not a place to debate that, it's more or less objective fact

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    BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    this is easily my favorite gen ever

    so many nice things

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Augh I caught a bisharp and I kind of want to use it but I don't have any slots on my team.

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    this gen is really great, except for those changes, which are really shitty


    at least there is pokemon online :\

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    that said

    maybe rotation battles could be a thing?

    it would definitely still be very different, and could very well have its own wad of problems that aren't immediately jumping to mind for me

    but it beats having your team chopped in half

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    do rotation battles scale your pokemon up to 100

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    at least there is pokemon online :\

    not anymore

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    do rotation battles scale your pokemon up to 100

    No but you can scale to 50 I think and it lets you use 6 pokemon

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    do rotation battles scale your pokemon up to 100

    No but you can scale to 50 I think and it lets you use 6 pokemon

    yeah that could work

    it sucks that we are not going to have a clear idea how well they work until people have earned enough BP for the TMs/Items that they want

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Nerdgasmic wrote: »
    at least there is pokemon online :\

    not anymore

    the client still exists, even if we don't have our own server

    which isn't very good, but it's better than grinding everything to level 100

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    does scraggy's moxie own as much as i feel it does

    not only does it seem really good in a battle

    it owns that my pokemon that looks rad as hell, wearing sunglasses, gets moxie after killing a nerd


    also he was big pimpin in the musical with his glasses, tophat, bowtie, and cane

    edit: t4ct i think the bigger thing is why did they feel the need to take out those aspects of the wifi and shit

    although stuff they improved on in hg/ss (pokes following you around, autorun) weren't included because b/w were being developed concurrently by a different team

    i thought

    and i totally agree that them being taken out entirely is kind of silly

    but this is not an end of the world, game-breaking change for me, and as much as we're bitching now I don't think anyone here is going to choose to not adapt to the change

    and then there's posts like this
    T4CT wrote: »
    there's at least two NPC trainers you can rematch daily

    at this point I'm done trying to make the argument that while it's not what we're in any way used to, I don't think the stuff that happened is as bad as everyone is taking it to be

    but hurp durp change hurp durp


    gary i will attempt to re-add your stuff

    it completely changes the way the game works and simplifies it a ton, making a large swathe of strategies pointless or bad

    there's really not a place to debate that, it's more or less objective fact
    If you actually had to ask why 3v3 isn't good then you have brain problems.


    which i'd really like to respond too but are just so fucking condescending that it's beyond the point where it'd be productive.



    furthermore if there's an issue of strategy being dumbed down why not just do gary's 3v3 best of 3 idea and implement the wonder launcher which is a feature you can turn on for the 50-scale battles anyway?

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    maybe we can do some kind of honor system rotation battle where both participants agree to only use the dude in front?
    although I'm not exactly certain of the mechanics of rotation battles, I thought someone said they were like you had three dudes available and had one action a turn and could switch between them and target any of the enemy's three as you wished

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    ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    If it is that big a problem, why can't we just use pokemon online and have the honor system or something, where you have to have trained up your pokemon to use them?

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    maybe we can do some kind of honor system rotation battle where both participants agree to only use the dude in front?
    although I'm not exactly certain of the mechanics of rotation battles, I thought someone said they were like you had three dudes available and had one action a turn and could switch between them and target any of the enemy's three as you wished

    I don't think you are able to switch pokemon with a pokemon currently on the field AND give up your turn, which is what you'd need to do in order to simulate regular battles

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    maybe we can do some kind of honor system rotation battle where both participants agree to only use the dude in front?
    although I'm not exactly certain of the mechanics of rotation battles, I thought someone said they were like you had three dudes available and had one action a turn and could switch between them and target any of the enemy's three as you wished

    I don't think you are able to switch pokemon with a pokemon currently on the field AND give up your turn, which is what you'd need to do in order to simulate regular battles

    well way to ruin it gary

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    get online and we'll try it

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    haha what

    how was what I said condescending in any way

    please explain how halving the number of pokemon involved in the fight doesn't completely warp the strategy

    you can make the case that the change is good though I'd certainly disagree very strongly

    but you can't deny that there isn't a massive difference

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    MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    it doesn't warp the strategy it makes you think of new strategies

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Artreus wrote: »
    If it is that big a problem, why can't we just use pokemon online and have the honor system or something, where you have to have trained up your pokemon to use them?

    because the honor system would decompose ridiculously fast and a whole bunch of really nifty things like breeding for IV's and such go completely out the window when you can set all your IV's to 31 and set your hidden power to whatever you want with no repercussions

    gary can you just double check the the friendcode is 4384 1299 6591

    haha what

    how was what I said condescending in any way

    please explain how halving the number of pokemon involved in the fight doesn't completely warp the strategy

    you can make the case that the change is good though I'd certainly disagree very strongly

    but you can't deny that there isn't a massive difference

    because it's not objective fat?
    it changes the strategy but it doesn't make it less strategic, it's just a different way of playing. You have a pool of six pokemon around within which you may have to develop several strategies to combat whatever you're going to be facing but these strategies have to work within the context of a three pokemon environment, because suddenly adding or removing one pokemon substitutes a third of your team drastically changes the way you're going to play the game

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    NerdgasmicNerdgasmic __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    there are 6 on 6 battles that just don't have scaling, right?

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    it doesn't change the strategy it changes the strategies

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    T4CT wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    If it is that big a problem, why can't we just use pokemon online and have the honor system or something, where you have to have trained up your pokemon to use them?

    because the honor system would decompose ridiculously fast and a whole bunch of really nifty things like breeding for IV's and such go completely out the window when you can set all your IV's to 31 and set your hidden power to whatever you want with no repercussions

    While I'm not really advocating we switch to PO

    you could just put a blanket ban on hidden power and I don't think anyone would cry too much

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    BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I like the idea of 3v3 battles

    they seem nice and compact

    but I say this as someone who doesn't battle too seriously, so whatever

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I WILL NEVER GIVE IN TO FAKE POKEMON

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    T4CT wrote: »
    Artreus wrote: »
    If it is that big a problem, why can't we just use pokemon online and have the honor system or something, where you have to have trained up your pokemon to use them?

    because the honor system would decompose ridiculously fast and a whole bunch of really nifty things like breeding for IV's and such go completely out the window when you can set all your IV's to 31 and set your hidden power to whatever you want with no repercussions

    While I'm not really advocating we switch to PO

    you could just put a blanket ban on hidden power and I don't think anyone would cry too much

    also I have zero problem with everyone having all 31 IVs
    All my guys have 31 in speed anyway 8-)

    being on my DS, with the microphone, and the actual game is a major fun component though

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    oh whoops
    flat rotation battle is 4 pokemon

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    MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    this reminds me of people complaining about how the original 150 are the "real" pokemon and the others are lame

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    oh whoops
    flat rotation battle is 4 pokemon

    son of a

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't think an honor system for 6v6/PO would be that hard to enforce.

    Most people around here aren't complete geese, so they'll abide by the rules, not to mention we can shun anyone who doesn't.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    this reminds me of people complaining about how the original 150 are the "real" pokemon and the others are lame

    except that that comparison is in no way valid and is just insulting people who are feeling wronged by having features they enjoyed removed from the newest iteration of a favorite form of entertainment

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    BugBoyBugBoy boy.EXE has stopped functioning. only bugs remainRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    this reminds me of people complaining about how the original 150 are the "real" pokemon and the others are lame

    except that that comparison is in no way valid and is just insulting people who are feeling wronged by having features they enjoyed removed from the newest iteration of a favorite form of entertainment

    this is quite a sentence

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    undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    like, i wouldnt be opposed to going along with the changes if the stuff that was put in weren't silly

    i don't want to have to level every single pokemon i want to train up to 50

    and even if i do, that's only for 3v3!

    just doesnt make sense for them to take out the main mode of wifi that everyone used

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    so far 3v3 best of 3 sounds like the best solution

    I am using the term "best" very loosely though

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    that's the way I roll

    the coolest pokemon

    the burliest sentences

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    MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    i wasn't trying to be snide, i am sorry about that. i just remember when it was revealed that you could set IVs to pokemon and then it got so technical, and I had liked it before where you never had to crunch numbers or anything to be successful.

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    T4CTT4CT BAFTA-NOMINATED NAFTA-APPROVEDRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Meissnerd wrote: »
    it doesn't change the strategy it changes the strategies

    well, kind of

    it doesn't change the fact the strategy is there, it just changes how the strategies get used

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