You know Cat, maybe it seems like trolling to you but it sort of rankles men when we're treating like potential rapists by virtue of having a penis.
So the kind of rhetoric that the more extreme feminists use can kindly fuck off, we'll work with the ones who don't see half the population as someone they're at war with.
You and the fellow above you also need to read that article.
Failing to understand that term, when its been explained on this forum over and over, marks you only as not paying attention, or as wilfully sabotaging the conversation. You don't have a legitimate claim to offense here, all you're doing is re-posting a false definition of that term and acting like its the truth.
I'm not, and have not, spoken about any single word. Only tone. Do you seriously not think your rhetoric might be off when even a bunch of guys who are ardent feminists can't stand the things you say?
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
If you're a woman in a conversation about feminism, a large number of people will automatically interpret your words as though they are said in anger no matter what you type. Even when you're making jokes, they see rage. I have no ability to control that, and consider it futile to try.
You know why I'm opposing you on this, Pony? Because I've tried polite and nice before, and it makes not a bit of difference. Not at all. There's always always some fucking asshole who's looking for a fight and who will twist your words into BOO HOO WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN no matter what you type.
So I save my energy, and retain my right to participate in vigorous debate without policing myself into silence. I flat out do not care if you object to that, because your objections are an unreasonable set of expectations and don't even help in the end.
I find that unfortunate but understandable!
let's not fight
you and i agree on far more important things than the things we disagree on
My mom took me out to dinner, but I wasn't that hungry so I bounced early with a takeout container
on the walk back to my place this fucking piece of shit drives next to me with his car, shouting all the things he wants to do to my body, while his buddies laugh in the back
When I finally manage to get out of the parking lot they turn into the drive thru and yell 'whore' after me
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
I was talking about this group of men right here on this board. Rent, myself, Pony. We're all feminists and the rhetoric you use is just stupidly fucking offensive to men for no god damn gain.
Sorry I get upset when in your desire to improve the lot of women you and others engage in what is borderline sexism. But its bullshit of the highest order to suggest that if men get offended by shit like "rape culture" means we're just not feminist enough for you.
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My youngest brother does all he can to skip dialogue in games. Will play an entire RPG without reading more quest log than he has to in order to get to the next boss or whatever.
[chat] stop fighting already. It's Friday. The lord's day...wait.
It's Friday. The day to get shitty drunk.
Technicially it's Yahwehs day starting at sundown (ancient Israel used a system where the day ends / begins at sundown rather than midnight, so the Sabbath is sundown Friday through sundown Saturday).
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
I was talking about this group of men right here on this board. Rent, myself, Pony. We're all feminists and the rhetoric you use is just stupidly fucking offensive to men for no god damn gain.
Sorry I get upset when in your desire to improve the lot of women you and others engage in what is borderline sexism. But its bullshit of the highest order to suggest that if men get offended by shit like "rape culture" means we're just not feminist enough for you.
[chat] stop fighting already. It's Friday. The lord's day...wait.
It's Friday. The day to get shitty drunk.
Technicially it's Yahwehs day starting at sundown (ancient Israel used a system where the day ends / begins at sundown rather than midnight, so the Sabbath is sundown Friday through sundown Saturday).
Hey man I was raised Catholic.
Stop trying to push your religion on me, bro.
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i would not consider myself a feminist
I honestly don't give a shit about feminism
like i'm not trying to shit-talk it or anything
but i have no opinion about feminism for or against nor have an inclination to learn, from what little i've read of shakesville
so don't get it twisted
my opinion is not as a feminist
but as a dude who considers everyone on the forum a bro and just wish we could be more cool to each other and get less angry over the interbutts because, and this is HUGELY important, it doesn't fucking change anything at all so calm down
My youngest brother does all he can to skip dialogue in games. Will play an entire RPG without reading more quest log than he has to in order to get to the next boss or whatever.
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I blame WoW
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happy birthday styro!
also to echo the cat's note, the bit about mansplaining was a joke pony.
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Dammit nerd girl who works at Gamestop, I'll never be able to hit on you because I'm pretty sure 90% of the guys who shop there have done the same and it has made you hard and cold to even my amazing hotness.
My youngest brother does all he can to skip dialogue in games. Will play an entire RPG without reading more quest log than he has to in order to get to the next boss or whatever.
Drives
me
crazy
Sometimes I accidentally skip a piece of dialog and can't go back to read it and it's so annoying.
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
I was talking about this group of men right here on this board. Rent, myself, Pony. We're all feminists and the rhetoric you use is just stupidly fucking offensive to men for no god damn gain.
Sorry I get upset when in your desire to improve the lot of women you and others engage in what is borderline sexism. But its bullshit of the highest order to suggest that if men get offended by shit like "rape culture" means we're just not feminist enough for you.
whoa hey now
i do not identify as a feminist
if you do, that's okay
but i do not
Think he's talking more about the views you hold and have put forth in the past than any official association/identification.
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Wait, why would you say you aren't a feminist?
I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
My youngest brother does all he can to skip dialogue in games. Will play an entire RPG without reading more quest log than he has to in order to get to the next boss or whatever.
Drives
me
crazy
I blame WoW
I knew people who did that on the early Might and Magic or gold box SSI D&D games (EG: Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds etc...)
My mom took me out to dinner, but I wasn't that hungry so I bounced early with a takeout container
on the walk back to my place this fucking piece of shit drives next to me with his car, shouting all the things he wants to do to my body, while his buddies laugh in the back
When I finally manage to get out of the parking lot they turn into the drive thru and yell 'whore' after me
i hope they fucking choke
what
the
fuck
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Dammit nerd girl who works at Gamestop, I'll never be able to hit on you because I'm pretty sure 90% of the guys who shop there have done the same and it has made you hard and cold to even my amazing hotness.
just talk to her like you would anybody else
be cool
don't sperg out at her
and don't clumsily attempt to pick her up on your first meeting
establish a rapport as the 'nice normal guy who comes by occasionally' with her, then ask her out
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
I was talking about this group of men right here on this board. Rent, myself, Pony. We're all feminists and the rhetoric you use is just stupidly fucking offensive to men for no god damn gain.
Sorry I get upset when in your desire to improve the lot of women you and others engage in what is borderline sexism. But its bullshit of the highest order to suggest that if men get offended by shit like "rape culture" means we're just not feminist enough for you.
whoa hey now
i do not identify as a feminist
if you do, that's okay
but i do not
Think he's talking more about the views you hold and have put forth in the past than any official association/identification.
i understand that but
it's not a label i want or am comfortable with having applied to me and i would rather people respect my wishes on that
it's not hard to not label people, so when they specifically ask you not to, let's not!
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I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
Perhaps it's like people who don't identify as atheist because of all the loaded bullshit that comes with the term?
My youngest brother does all he can to skip dialogue in games. Will play an entire RPG without reading more quest log than he has to in order to get to the next boss or whatever.
Drives
me
crazy
I blame WoW
I knew people who did that on the early Might and Magic or gold box SSI D&D games (EG: Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds etc...)
I actually blame Everquest.
Beacuse for a game with quest in the name that shit was pretty god damned devoid of quests so it really just trained you to grind away.
My mom took me out to dinner, but I wasn't that hungry so I bounced early with a takeout container
on the walk back to my place this fucking piece of shit drives next to me with his car, shouting all the things he wants to do to my body, while his buddies laugh in the back
When I finally manage to get out of the parking lot they turn into the drive thru and yell 'whore' after me
i hope they fucking choke
I'm always surprised that stuff like this happens. Like, I really have trouble understanding why people act this way.
Part of me worries that I should understand this, and part of me is glad that I'm always surprised. :?
I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
from what little i've read of shakesville, again, it destroys any semblance of interest in feminism that i gain from time to time
plus i don't see the point. 'treat everyone equally'? i already do that
I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
Perhaps it's like people who don't identify as atheist because of all the loaded bullshit that comes with the term?
Obviously I can't answer for either of them but I have a feeling you've done the nail head hitting thing here
I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
I know some people call themselves "Equalists" instead of "Feminists" because they feel Feminism is about putting women (womyn?) above men. I don't know where they got that from though.
I typically feel out of place in feminist conversation anyways so I just watch.
i used to get really mad at posts. i still do. i would fucking rage out at the rape apologists and misogynists and write really rude posts and approach my position as such a universal given and i was in the right and everyone else was an asshole standing in the way of me being happy
and now i've calmed down somewhat. i still rage. i just don't rage in posts. i try to talk about my experiences and lend my view to things.
i still get so mad sometimes, but i keep it in [chat] or i keep it to myself. i try to be diplomatic.
have i convinced any mras or rape apologists or misogynists
no not really
but a lot of women have contacted me saying, i'm a survivor too
or i need someone to talk to or i need help
or men have contacted me saying my sister was raped, my friend was raped
or even just i was an asshole and i feel like a dick now, thanks for that
i mean its not like dozens of people have come forward
but enough that i feel like i'm doing something productive
as for my rage, i stood in my shower and was like FUCK YOU STEAM, YOU THINK YOU'RE SO GREAT
My mom took me out to dinner, but I wasn't that hungry so I bounced early with a takeout container
on the walk back to my place this fucking piece of shit drives next to me with his car, shouting all the things he wants to do to my body, while his buddies laugh in the back
When I finally manage to get out of the parking lot they turn into the drive thru and yell 'whore' after me
i hope they fucking choke
what
the
fuck
This is so surreal to me. Who the fuck does something like this?
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i would have decked him if he weren't in a car
I don't know where you'd find a golf cart, thumb screws, large piece of tarp or a wolverine at this hour though.
I question the size of your 'bunch of guys', and question how ardent they really are if a sharply worded sentence is enough to change their political leanings.
If you're a woman in a conversation about feminism, a large number of people will automatically interpret your words as though they are said in anger no matter what you type. Even when you're making jokes, they see rage. I have no ability to control that, and consider it futile to try.
:^:
Or die in a fiery car accident.
fuck yeah
feel your anger
yesssss, my apprentice
i look forward to wednesday
It's Friday. The day to get shitty drunk.
Now, I surely wasn't going to sell all those shitty arrows I looted. I had to use them. I don't think for once that it was a viable strategy.
I was talking about this group of men right here on this board. Rent, myself, Pony. We're all feminists and the rhetoric you use is just stupidly fucking offensive to men for no god damn gain.
Sorry I get upset when in your desire to improve the lot of women you and others engage in what is borderline sexism. But its bullshit of the highest order to suggest that if men get offended by shit like "rape culture" means we're just not feminist enough for you.
Work day is over and its my birthday.
Drives
me
crazy
Technicially it's Yahwehs day starting at sundown (ancient Israel used a system where the day ends / begins at sundown rather than midnight, so the Sabbath is sundown Friday through sundown Saturday).
whoa hey now
i do not identify as a feminist
if you do, that's okay
but i do not
Hey man I was raised Catholic.
Stop trying to push your religion on me, bro.
I honestly don't give a shit about feminism
like i'm not trying to shit-talk it or anything
but i have no opinion about feminism for or against nor have an inclination to learn, from what little i've read of shakesville
so don't get it twisted
my opinion is not as a feminist
but as a dude who considers everyone on the forum a bro and just wish we could be more cool to each other and get less angry over the interbutts because, and this is HUGELY important, it doesn't fucking change anything at all so calm down
I blame WoW
also to echo the cat's note, the bit about mansplaining was a joke pony.
Sometimes I accidentally skip a piece of dialog and can't go back to read it and it's so annoying.
Think he's talking more about the views you hold and have put forth in the past than any official association/identification.
I mean, I get that if someone asks "Who/what are you?", you may not mention feminism explicitly. But what about feminism do you specifically disagree with, that would make the term not apply to you?
I knew people who did that on the early Might and Magic or gold box SSI D&D games (EG: Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds etc...)
well it's a joke that i get tossed in my face a lot as not a joke so i react poorly to it!
surely you, of all people, understand this notion
what
the
fuck
just talk to her like you would anybody else
be cool
don't sperg out at her
and don't clumsily attempt to pick her up on your first meeting
establish a rapport as the 'nice normal guy who comes by occasionally' with her, then ask her out
not to hard bros
i understand that but
it's not a label i want or am comfortable with having applied to me and i would rather people respect my wishes on that
it's not hard to not label people, so when they specifically ask you not to, let's not!
Perhaps it's like people who don't identify as atheist because of all the loaded bullshit that comes with the term?
I actually blame Everquest.
Beacuse for a game with quest in the name that shit was pretty god damned devoid of quests so it really just trained you to grind away.
I'm always surprised that stuff like this happens. Like, I really have trouble understanding why people act this way.
Part of me worries that I should understand this, and part of me is glad that I'm always surprised. :?
from what little i've read of shakesville, again, it destroys any semblance of interest in feminism that i gain from time to time
plus i don't see the point. 'treat everyone equally'? i already do that
Obviously I can't answer for either of them but I have a feeling you've done the nail head hitting thing here
I know some people call themselves "Equalists" instead of "Feminists" because they feel Feminism is about putting women (womyn?) above men. I don't know where they got that from though.
I typically feel out of place in feminist conversation anyways so I just watch.
i used to get really mad at posts. i still do. i would fucking rage out at the rape apologists and misogynists and write really rude posts and approach my position as such a universal given and i was in the right and everyone else was an asshole standing in the way of me being happy
and now i've calmed down somewhat. i still rage. i just don't rage in posts. i try to talk about my experiences and lend my view to things.
i still get so mad sometimes, but i keep it in [chat] or i keep it to myself. i try to be diplomatic.
have i convinced any mras or rape apologists or misogynists
no not really
but a lot of women have contacted me saying, i'm a survivor too
or i need someone to talk to or i need help
or men have contacted me saying my sister was raped, my friend was raped
or even just i was an asshole and i feel like a dick now, thanks for that
i mean its not like dozens of people have come forward
but enough that i feel like i'm doing something productive
as for my rage, i stood in my shower and was like FUCK YOU STEAM, YOU THINK YOU'RE SO GREAT
YOU THINK YOU'RE A BOSS, HOT WATER?
FUCK ALLA Y'ALL
and then i started laughing and things were ok!
Rent is passing out info left and right this evening, bros.
You should be paying a cover for this shit.
bashing steam? the games are so cheap!
This is so surreal to me. Who the fuck does something like this?
It's hot stuff!