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Drunks on a Plane

Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
edited March 2011 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm heading to cancun in a month or so, and my GF mentioned i should take miniatures (tiny "airplane" liquor bottles) in a ziploc baggie, instead of paying for pricey airplane drinks. She's done it, but one of my friends tried it and said he got his confiscated.

Does anyone know if it's legit to do? Why should it be treated any different from shampoo bottles, right? I don't want to spend money on them, just to get them tossed in the security line. I'm worried it depends on your friendly neighborhood TSA agent, or possibly the fact that it's an international flight.

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  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    What airline are you taking?

    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/950366-mini-alcohol-carry.html

    "It's fine to bring through security as long as the bottles fit in the Kippie bag and each bottle is 3.4oz or less.

    Note that it's a violation federal law to consume alcohol on board unless a flight attendant serves it to you.* So, if you wanted to drink your self-provided alcohol, you would need to give the bottles to the FA so that she can pour the alcohol into cups for you. I know that several FTers do so regularly without a problem--though it tends to be in premium cabins where pax want to consume their duty-free purchases, not in coach where pax want to avoid paying $6 a drink.

    I imagine it would be easier to find a cooperative FA when traveling up front."

    edit #2: basically, the experienced fliers in that thread say you can take them through the TSA line. And make a mixed drink while waiting to board your plane, i.e. coke and rum. They don't care at that point. But drinking straight from your minibottles would be "bad".

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  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm heading to cancun in a month or so, and my GF mentioned i should take miniatures (tiny "airplane" liquor bottles) in a ziploc baggie, instead of paying for pricey airplane drinks. She's done it, but one of my friends tried it and said he got his confiscated.

    Does anyone know if it's legit to do? Why should it be treated any different from shampoo bottles, right? I don't want to spend money on them, just to get them tossed in the security line. I'm worried it depends on your friendly neighborhood TSA agent, or possibly the fact that it's an international flight.

    not legit, will probably get confiscated, and I'm pretty sure the international flights I've been on had free booze

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  • ArikadoArikado Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Very positive it will get confiscated. I just flew back from Vegas and there was a couple in front of me that had to throw away a few mini Jacks cause airport security wouldn't let them through.

    I also had my after shave cream (notice I said cream) taken away from my checked luggage.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    With how easy it is to get yourself removed from a plane nowadays, is it really worth the risk?

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  • adytumadytum The Inevitable Rise And FallRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The flight to Cancun is not a particularly long one, assuming you're somewhere in the U.S.

    You can probably survive 4 hours without booze. It's not worth the risk.

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  • MrOlettaMrOletta Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I had free booze in coach going to and from Germany, we just had to ask (small single serve plastic wine bottle).

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't think its really that easy to get removed from a plane unless you are an unreasonable jackass/nutcase. if they asked me to surrender them, i'm not making a stink about it.

    i wasn't too worried about the FA's, as i was planning on being discrete about it. I was more worried about TSA taking them.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    yeah, don't be doing this, just go to the airport bar and put some back if you feel like you want to get onto the plane inebriated (though they can refuse to let you on if you get too sloppy)

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't think its really that easy to get removed from a plane unless you are an unreasonable jackass/nutcase. if they asked me to surrender them, i'm not making a stink about it.

    i wasn't too worried about the FA's, as i was planning on being discrete about it. I was more worried about TSA taking them.

    Deliberately flouting airline protocol is never, ever, ever a good idea. I'd either just pay the prices (which really aren't THAT much more expensive than in any bar) or just try and make it four hours without a drink. It's a couple of dollars, is it really that big of a deal?

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    fucking around at the airport, on a plane is inadvisable. The risk/reward of possibly smuggling alcohol onto a flight to save $3 or $4 on a drink really isn't worth it, imo.

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  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The point of these threads is not to judge people, it's to answer their questions. I linked to experienced travelers talking about it and they cite TSA guidelines which allow less than 3.4oz liquids put in a ziploc baggie.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The point of these threads is not to judge people, it's to answer their questions. I linked to experienced travelers talking about it and they cite TSA guidelines which allow less than 3.4oz liquids put in a ziploc baggie.

    We're not judging. Carrying is one thing. Serving yourself alcohol on a plane is another. There are strict guidelines in place for this sort of thing when you're in any sort of service environment.

    EDIT: Also, this quote
    edit #2: basically, the experienced fliers in that thread say you can take them through the TSA line. And make a mixed drink while waiting to board your plane, i.e. coke and rum. They don't care at that point. But drinking straight from your minibottles would be "bad".


    Super, super, super wrong. You can not make yourself a drink while waiting to get on a plane. You can go to a restaurant or bar in the terminal and buy a drink, but otherwise? No. No no no.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    TSA.GOV wrote:
    Travelers may now carry through security checkpoints travel-size toiletries (3 ounces or less) that fit comfortably in ONE, QUART-SIZE, clear plastic, zip-top bag. Learn More
    Wine, shown here, and other beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    With the exception of medications, any amount of liquid including alcohol greater than three ounces must be packed in your checked baggage.

    Liquids, including alcohol purchased after clearing the security checkpoint are permitted aboard aircraft.

    Carrying Alcohol In Your Checked Baggage

    Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.

    You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

    Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    Doesn't answer my question exactly, but it certainly doesn't say "NO WAY RUMMY"

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  • DemerdarDemerdar Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'd be surprised if you got through security with them.

    If you do, hey.. you have access to free booze. Just be discrete about drinking it.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    TSA.GOV wrote:
    Travelers may now carry through security checkpoints travel-size toiletries (3 ounces or less) that fit comfortably in ONE, QUART-SIZE, clear plastic, zip-top bag. Learn More
    Wine, shown here, and other beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    With the exception of medications, any amount of liquid including alcohol greater than three ounces must be packed in your checked baggage.

    Liquids, including alcohol purchased after clearing the security checkpoint are permitted aboard aircraft.

    Carrying Alcohol In Your Checked Baggage

    Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.

    You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

    Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    Doesn't answer my question exactly, but it certainly doesn't say "NO WAY RUMMY"

    Why not just call the airline you'll be flying with?

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    TSA.GOV wrote:
    Travelers may now carry through security checkpoints travel-size toiletries (3 ounces or less) that fit comfortably in ONE, QUART-SIZE, clear plastic, zip-top bag. Learn More
    Wine, shown here, and other beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    With the exception of medications, any amount of liquid including alcohol greater than three ounces must be packed in your checked baggage.

    Liquids, including alcohol purchased after clearing the security checkpoint are permitted aboard aircraft.

    Carrying Alcohol In Your Checked Baggage

    Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.

    You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

    Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    Doesn't answer my question exactly, but it certainly doesn't say "NO WAY RUMMY"

    Define liquor, which is what you were talking about. a 24% alcohol content is below anything that I would term "liquor." That regulation basically prohibits liquor.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    TSA.GOV wrote:
    Travelers may now carry through security checkpoints travel-size toiletries (3 ounces or less) that fit comfortably in ONE, QUART-SIZE, clear plastic, zip-top bag. Learn More
    Wine, shown here, and other beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    With the exception of medications, any amount of liquid including alcohol greater than three ounces must be packed in your checked baggage.

    Liquids, including alcohol purchased after clearing the security checkpoint are permitted aboard aircraft.

    Carrying Alcohol In Your Checked Baggage

    Please note, you can’t take alcoholic beverages with more than 70% alcohol content (140 proof), including 95% grain alcohol and 150 proof rum, in your checked luggage.

    You may take up to five liters of alcohol with alcohol content between 24% and 70% per person as checked luggage if it’s packaged in a sealable bottle or flask.

    Alcoholic beverages with less than 24% alcohol content are not subject to hazardous materials regulations.

    Doesn't answer my question exactly, but it certainly doesn't say "NO WAY RUMMY"

    Define liquor, which is what you were talking about. a 24% alcohol content is below anything that I would term "liquor." That regulation basically prohibits liquor.

    Carrying it on isn't the issue. It's whether or not he can consume it. That regulation has nothing to do with consuming what you bring on, thus it's moot.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    heres the regulation you're looking for
    FAA Federal RegulationsSec 135.121
    FAA wrote:
    Sec. 135.121

    Alcoholic beverages.

    (a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage.(b) No certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.
    (c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.

    Esh is right
    call your carrier and see if they allow their flight attendants to serve you your own drinks (its pretty much the same thing as calling up a restaurant and asking if they have a corkage fee ie the involvement of alcohol changes the etiquette required)

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  • StraygatsbyStraygatsby Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Was in Cancun last summer. Don't bother with the liquor on the plane. In fact, make an effort to drink water on the plane. It's the last time you'll have any until you fly back out. ;-)

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I drank before getting on a plane once. It is the most miserable place to be drunk. I'm never doing it again.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I once bought a full size bottle of scotch in a duty free shop, took it on the plane, and drank with my friends.

    No issues. However, reading this thread, it seems there could have been. I don't recall trying to hide what we were doing. We just assumed it was fine...

    (it was 3 years ago)

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  • NibbleNibble Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    AFAIK, all international flights serve free beer and wine, so you don't need to buy any and sneak it on the plane.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Nibble wrote: »
    AFAIK, all international flights serve free beer and wine, so you don't need to buy any and sneak it on the plane.

    It's been a few years, but I used to fly from Toronto to the southern US a couple of times a year, and they definitely expected extra cash for alcohol.

    I'm not disputing that there are probably some carriers out there who have "free" alcohol on flights (let's be honest, you're probably paying for it in the cost of your ticket, it's not so much "free" as "no further charge required"), but to say that "all international flights serve free beer and wine" would be incorrect.

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  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    How many drinks are you planning to have? About a month ago, I was on a plane and I think it was $7 or something for a drink, so it's not exactly outlandish. I consumed two drinks in a 2.5 hour flight (I'm a nervous flyer). Is saving $14 bucks worth that hassle?

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Nibble wrote: »
    AFAIK, all international flights serve free beer and wine, so you don't need to buy any and sneak it on the plane.

    haha tell that to Iceland Air

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It used to be that transcontinental flights were generous with the booze, but that seems to have changed these days. The last time I flew US to Japan, the previously complimentary beer's price had gone up kajillionfold, and cost me $5.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I highly doubt airtran gives out free booze in coach, but sounds like my question has been answered by the FAA reg. That's what i meant to be looking at, not TSA. For future reference, miniatures are allowed in the carry on, but you cannot drink them on board. good to know!

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  • Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    NotYou wrote: »
    I once bought a full size bottle of scotch in a duty free shop, took it on the plane, and drank with my friends.

    No issues. However, reading this thread, it seems there could have been. I don't recall trying to hide what we were doing. We just assumed it was fine...

    (it was 3 years ago)
    As with so many rules, it probably depends on the people breaking the rules in a specific situation and the people tasked with enforcing them. Back before this retarded liquid ban, I'd bring drinks onto planes occasionally. I never had problems because I didn't cause any grief to the flight attendants.

    Cynically, I think the rules against pouring your own drinks exists to allow the airlines to make money off of drink sales, not for any real safety reason.

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  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I highly doubt airtran gives out free booze in coach, but sounds like my question has been answered by the FAA reg. That's what i meant to be looking at, not TSA. For future reference, miniatures are allowed in the carry on, but you cannot drink them on board. good to know!

    Airtran allows you to upgrade to business (first) class 24 hours before your flight online. Last time I did it, it was $49. And, it was well worth the $49. Food was pretty good, drinks were free and plentiful, and the seats are 100 times more comfortable. Plus, you always seem to get the attractive flight attendants up front.

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  • EskimoDaveEskimoDave Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Scrublet wrote: »
    I drank before getting on a plane once. It is the most miserable place to be drunk. I'm never doing it again.

    yeah, same. Those free G&Ts in the duty free were so good.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Modern Man wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    I once bought a full size bottle of scotch in a duty free shop, took it on the plane, and drank with my friends.

    No issues. However, reading this thread, it seems there could have been. I don't recall trying to hide what we were doing. We just assumed it was fine...

    (it was 3 years ago)
    As with so many rules, it probably depends on the people breaking the rules in a specific situation and the people tasked with enforcing them. Back before this retarded liquid ban, I'd bring drinks onto planes occasionally. I never had problems because I didn't cause any grief to the flight attendants.

    Cynically, I think the rules against pouring your own drinks exists to allow the airlines to make money off of drink sales, not for any real safety reason.

    It's so they can regulate the drinking. It's extremely easy to get drunk at high altitudes. Letting people pour their own and drink as much as they want is a really, really, REALLY bad idea.

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  • WezoinWezoin Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    If you think drinking during a flight is expensive, do not have a single drink in the airport bar.

    I was in Toronto airport and ordered a Keiths (Its a premium but domestic in Canada... usually $4 max.), not having drank in an airport before and not knowing their prices... The guy next to me had sat down and drank one quickly and was getting up and I saw his bill... It made me realize one was enough... It was just under $12, and then of course you need to tip on top of that... On the plane it was two small bottles of wine for $6.

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  • LaemkralLaemkral Captain Punch King Chester, VARegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Transatlantic, specifically the more upscale airlines, will do free drinks. Other airlines will likely charge. It's one of those things you can call and ask about ahead of time.

    The regulations quoted clearly stipulate that the drinks are permitted through TSA, but the airline personnel have to serve you the drink. What constitutes "serve" is probably a judgement call on the part of the flight attendants, and if you're polite will probably pour you your drink. If not, simply repack your alcohol and don't try to sneak any sips.

    Really, going to Cancun shouldn't be that bad of a flight, and it's actually better to stay hydrated to more rapidly adjust to any changes from the travel.

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  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    badpoet wrote: »
    I highly doubt airtran gives out free booze in coach, but sounds like my question has been answered by the FAA reg. That's what i meant to be looking at, not TSA. For future reference, miniatures are allowed in the carry on, but you cannot drink them on board. good to know!

    Airtran allows you to upgrade to business (first) class 24 hours before your flight online. Last time I did it, it was $49. And, it was well worth the $49. Food was pretty good, drinks were free and plentiful, and the seats are 100 times more comfortable. Plus, you always seem to get the attractive flight attendants up front.

    Ooo, that might be worth it. I am 6'3" and often very uncomfortable on planes.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I do this on flights mostly BC I hate waiting around for drink service in coach.

    I usually ask for a soda and two cups of ice whenever an attendant does come by and then add my little bottles of Jack as needed.

    Never had a problem, although that's not a guarantee. Just like all other parts of air travel, if some government lackey wants to be a dick, they will be.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    illig wrote: »
    I do this on flights mostly BC I hate waiting around for drink service in coach.

    I usually ask for a soda and two cups of ice whenever an attendant does come by and then add my little bottles of Jack as needed.

    Never had a problem, although that's not a guarantee. Just like all other parts of air travel, if some government lackey wants to be a dick, they will be.

    They're not being dicks. It's called doing your job and ensuring the safety of everyone on board. Just because you may be able to do it responsibly doesn't mean everyone can. The same rules need to apply for everyone on board.

    Would you walk into a restaurant and pull a beer out of your bag and start drinking because you didn't want to wait for the serve or thought the prices were too high? Same difference. Don't be that guy and try calling out the employees because you're impatient.

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  • Akilae729Akilae729 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    My roommate does this LITERALLY every time he flies anywhere.

    Never been a problem to just ask for a cup of ice and a coke.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2011
    We don't tell people it's okay to break laws here just because we don't like them.

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