Since I thought Why Not about the Nurse Akali skin, I've been testing out Rally/Ignite Akali.
21/0/9 with points in Improved Ignite and Improved Rally, and both 15% MPen and 6 ArP.
M Pen Reds, AP Quints, AP/lvl Yellows and Blues (or CDR blues). Start with a Doran's Blade (or Boots + 3 if you think it's a bad lane).
At the start of the game, you can pop Ignite to immediately have both Twin Disciplines buffs on if you want, or save it for a gank.
Essentially, you get a character who does ridiculous Q/autoattack damage very early on, and gets a massive dps buff from Rally, as well as buffing her team quite well later on into the game (although I can understand why people don't take Rally normally, Improved Rally is one of those sweet auras).
You know you could just take improved exhaust and it would be just as beneficial right?
Plus exhaust is useful throughout the whole game, whereas rally, is just dumb.
The -10 resistance/defense is more than enough to make up for anything rally gives.
The really awesome thing about Akali too is you can rape people with improved exhaust, like faster than the exhaust even lasts.
The even better part is pairing exhaust with flash. I cannot stress enough how important Flash is for Akali.
You being able to flash -> karate kick people just outside of range, or even better, karate kick into tower range -> finish off -> flash away.
My personal favorite is when you have a group of enemies trying to focus you down (you are Akali, it's going to happen) and you pop your W. Now all the enemies are around your shroud just waiting like hungry dogs. With flash - you not only use W and get in your shroud, but you flash OUT of the shroud into a nearby bush or over a wall.
The enemy team literally wastes 3-4 seconds sitting around your shroud like WE GOT HIM SON! MUAHAHAH... wait where is she?
Edit: But for real bethryn, you NEED flash on Akali. There are just SO many benefits, offensively and defensively.
obviously riot feels that melee characters are just way too OP
srsly though, there is every combination of huge amounts of AP, with the introduction of the fucking cap and zhonyas just exploding the effect. meanwhile, AD really feels to have been rolled back.
probably because all of the complaints about the "tanky DPS" metagame i guess.
Tanky DPS is always a concern. Once upon a time, Jax could 1v5 teams alone. Garen nerfed. Irelia, Xin Zhao are almost an issue.
Also, you seem to be forgetting that Zhonyas and cap were 1 item once. Splitting them actually nerfed the item overall.
you don't NEED flash on akali, you just don't pust yourself in those kind of situations.
I'm gonna bring garen back. people are still dazed by the fact they they can't stack 5 sunfires on him, I'm gonna make him into a true tanky dps killing machine. I took 70% of a galio's health the other they with a Q/E combo. He's still pretty beastly, people just need to build him more dps like these days.
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you don't NEED flash on akali, you just don't pust yourself in those kind of situations.
I'm gonna bring garen back. people are still dazed by the fact they they can't stack 5 sunfires on him, I'm gonna make him into a true tanky dps killing machine. I took 70% of a galio's health the other they with a Q/E combo. He's still pretty beastly, people just need to build him more dps like these days.
actually flash on akali is staple. there literally isn't a reason why you shouldn't have it.
there are way too many benefits with flash on her, you'd be dumb NOT to take it.
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Nah warries brah.
It's kind of sad how bad Rally is on its own. It's not all that great even with Improved, except on characters like Akali, Kayle, Jax and Kat, where the two abilities scale off each other recursively. Might make a topic about it on the proper forum to see if they're fiddling with it.
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had some fun with galio during a few games.
he's got some big ol' fuckin' hands.
i managed to time my ult so yi could get away after his guardian angel rezzed him. caught the entire enemy team in there. it made me proud.
galio gets horrendously boring, though. at the end of the day, he's just "i buff stats and buff/debuff movement speed. i also taunt guys and then they fuck the new hole in my chest."
i prefer my high octane rage singed build. RUN AT THEIR TEAM AND EARN YOUR MASCULINITY TODAY. GET ON THE LEVEL, BROS. THE MAN LEVEL.
I don't find him boring, with two skill shots one that takes a lot of predicting he keeps me engaged. Since he's so slow he feels pretty relaxing to play for me. I'm like, I'll get there when I get there, no rush they will all die when I arrive and taunt.
Also his big fists pack some damage always be punching in teamfights I've killed a lot of dudes with face punches, and he's easy to last hit with which is another reason I like him.
you don't NEED flash on akali, you just don't pust yourself in those kind of situations.
I'm gonna bring garen back. people are still dazed by the fact they they can't stack 5 sunfires on him, I'm gonna make him into a true tanky dps killing machine. I took 70% of a galio's health the other they with a Q/E combo. He's still pretty beastly, people just need to build him more dps like these days.
I was in a game with Garen a few days ago. This dude tore stuff up like it was no tomorrow. It was pretty darn amazing. I dont think he was fed or anything either. I was impressed
Galio was a lot more fun when it felt like he did a modicum of damage and his ult range wasn't so small you had to be surgical with it to catch more than 2 people.
Galio was a lot more fun when it felt like he did a modicum of damage and his ult range wasn't so small you had to be surgical with it to catch more than 2 people.
Word, before his stupid nerfs he was my carry AP person and I would F* up the opposition. What? A standstill in mid or somewhere? You bet I will poke with my wind and take off 1/4 of your HP and the people aruond you in 1 shot with my 20 stacks mejia!
In other fun news, I love getting 20 stacks mejia on my support people. 20 stack Taric or Karma? game OVER
I dunno if I should buy Akali with her sale and all. I guess I should but ehhhh. One of those champions i dont want to own, kinda like Garen.
You hate having people cry "Fuck that ninja cunt, she's 0/5/1 and still kills me in one second....qqq....."? Pfff, get her. DO IT.
Edit: And saying you don't need flash on akali means you're a baddie, sir. A big bad baddie. That or you don't towerdive. You're akali. It's your ninja duty to kill anybody @ 40% health sitting at a tower and then get out.
Goal of Galio ult, particularly when you're having to stack armor, is to immobilize the enemies more than to do a ton of damage. So activating randuin keeps them from get out of your ult, letting your team beat on them more
Too many times I've watched people just get dove at their towers from high health with absolutely nothing they could have done differently to avoid the gank.
There is always something you could have done to avoid the gank.
Towers are not meant to be little bubbles of invulnerability.
You know these things.
As for Noct ult, it's only effective (in teamfights) against autoattackers. Anyone with a skillshot or two just keeps doing what they were doing. Far from being OP, I feel it's actually pretty weak. It's also very predictable. Not like there's any mystery about where you're going to find Noc when the lights come back up.
If you're dying from full HP (or nearly) to your lane opponent + the ganker at your tower then there is effectively nothing you could have done to avoid the gank. Could you just AFK way back and never venture anywhere near the creeps? Sure, but that's obviously not a real option if you're playing to win as opposed to playing to protect your KD ratio.
Could've not taken a solo lane. Could've banned Noc at champ select. Could've taken a less squishy champ. Could've run more defensive runes & masteries. Could've warded more effectively. Could've dominated your lane more thoroughly. Could've ganked their jungler more effectively at level 1.
You know this stuff. You're probably a better player than I am. Not sure why Nocturne has you so bent out of shape.
Sok statements like "could've banned him, and picked a less squishy champ" are pretty dumb. We're talking about the match up as is, not preventing the match up from occuring. And every team is going to have a squishy champ. Wards aren't going to help you when he ults unless you're going to run out of his (large) ult range whenever you see him cross a ward. Dominating your lane requires you to be safe enough in your lane to pick fights, which you're not if nocturne is level 6 and roaming/jungling.
That is just a list of stupid things so that you won't be wrong. However, you continue to be wrong.
You know what I love seeing as Nocturne? An enemy champs with 4 total bars of health at lvl 1. Because I know I will make them my bitch for the entire game.
If you want to counter Nocturne, get a doran's shield. Maybe a cloth armor and a red crystal as well. Problem solved.
Or hell just get a giant's belt pretty early.
Any of those will cockblock his early game against that character and prevent full health tower dives.
Does it slow down your mad deeps? Uh...yeah, but you can't deep if your dead.
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then whenever someone goes into the bushes bot you smear them against the wall
Yes you could. But if you do that, somewhere, somehow, every time you do it. A kitten will die.
I don't think you want that on your conscience.
Oh, on that note. Poppy is a hard counter to Nocturne late game. Literally does not give two fucks about him. I can take her early on but AP poppy just explodes me in two hits later on with impunity.
Actually AP Poppy explodes ANYONE in two hits late game.
Damn yordle.
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Sok statements like "could've banned him, and picked a less squishy champ" are pretty dumb. We're talking about the match up as is, not preventing the match up from occuring. And every team is going to have a squishy champ. Wards aren't going to help you when he ults unless you're going to run out of his (large) ult range whenever you see him cross a ward. Dominating your lane requires you to be safe enough in your lane to pick fights, which you're not if nocturne is level 6 and roaming/jungling.
That is just a list of stupid things so that you won't be wrong. However, you continue to be wrong.
Sorry.
If you're getting ganked at full health underneath your tower and aren't able to avoid it or force a trade, it's because you fucked up at some point.
That point could have been at champ select, could have been when choosing runes & masteries, could have been when you bought your first item, could have been when your team failed to gank the jungle at level 1, could have been when you took a solo lane you weren't prepared to win.
You know what I love seeing as Nocturne? An enemy champs with 4 total bars of health at lvl 1. Because I know I will make them my bitch for the entire game.
If you want to counter Nocturne, get a doran's shield. Maybe a cloth armor and a red crystal as well. Problem solved.
Or hell just get a giant's belt pretty early.
Any of those will cockblock his early game against that character and prevent full health tower dives.
Does it slow down your mad deeps? Uh...yeah, but you can't deep if your dead.
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Plus exhaust is useful throughout the whole game, whereas rally, is just dumb.
The -10 resistance/defense is more than enough to make up for anything rally gives.
The really awesome thing about Akali too is you can rape people with improved exhaust, like faster than the exhaust even lasts.
The even better part is pairing exhaust with flash. I cannot stress enough how important Flash is for Akali.
You being able to flash -> karate kick people just outside of range, or even better, karate kick into tower range -> finish off -> flash away.
My personal favorite is when you have a group of enemies trying to focus you down (you are Akali, it's going to happen) and you pop your W. Now all the enemies are around your shroud just waiting like hungry dogs. With flash - you not only use W and get in your shroud, but you flash OUT of the shroud into a nearby bush or over a wall.
The enemy team literally wastes 3-4 seconds sitting around your shroud like WE GOT HIM SON! MUAHAHAH... wait where is she?
Edit: But for real bethryn, you NEED flash on Akali. There are just SO many benefits, offensively and defensively.
Tanky DPS is always a concern. Once upon a time, Jax could 1v5 teams alone. Garen nerfed. Irelia, Xin Zhao are almost an issue.
Also, you seem to be forgetting that Zhonyas and cap were 1 item once. Splitting them actually nerfed the item overall.
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I'm gonna bring garen back. people are still dazed by the fact they they can't stack 5 sunfires on him, I'm gonna make him into a true tanky dps killing machine. I took 70% of a galio's health the other they with a Q/E combo. He's still pretty beastly, people just need to build him more dps like these days.
I'm dead serious."
and garen sucks
so there
also i am experiencing CRAZY fps drops in lol now, like i'm @ 17 fps right now for NO Reason.
I can't even play cause of it.
I saw someone streaming that said a full reinstall fixes that
there are way too many benefits with flash on her, you'd be dumb NOT to take it.
Ive walked into garens spin to win intentionally to heal up as galio.
It's kind of sad how bad Rally is on its own. It's not all that great even with Improved, except on characters like Akali, Kayle, Jax and Kat, where the two abilities scale off each other recursively. Might make a topic about it on the proper forum to see if they're fiddling with it.
accept for the part were he's silenced from Q.
I'm dead serious."
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he's got some big ol' fuckin' hands.
i managed to time my ult so yi could get away after his guardian angel rezzed him. caught the entire enemy team in there. it made me proud.
galio gets horrendously boring, though. at the end of the day, he's just "i buff stats and buff/debuff movement speed. i also taunt guys and then they fuck the new hole in my chest."
i prefer my high octane rage singed build. RUN AT THEIR TEAM AND EARN YOUR MASCULINITY TODAY. GET ON THE LEVEL, BROS. THE MAN LEVEL.
Also his big fists pack some damage always be punching in teamfights I've killed a lot of dudes with face punches, and he's easy to last hit with which is another reason I like him.
I was in a game with Garen a few days ago. This dude tore stuff up like it was no tomorrow. It was pretty darn amazing. I dont think he was fed or anything either. I was impressed
Word, before his stupid nerfs he was my carry AP person and I would F* up the opposition. What? A standstill in mid or somewhere? You bet I will poke with my wind and take off 1/4 of your HP and the people aruond you in 1 shot with my 20 stacks mejia!
In other fun news, I love getting 20 stacks mejia on my support people. 20 stack Taric or Karma? game OVER
You hate having people cry "Fuck that ninja cunt, she's 0/5/1 and still kills me in one second....qqq....."? Pfff, get her. DO IT.
Edit: And saying you don't need flash on akali means you're a baddie, sir. A big bad baddie. That or you don't towerdive. You're akali. It's your ninja duty to kill anybody @ 40% health sitting at a tower and then get out.
edit: and then a Randuins and Frozen Heart just to piss them off somewhat.
Could've not taken a solo lane. Could've banned Noc at champ select. Could've taken a less squishy champ. Could've run more defensive runes & masteries. Could've warded more effectively. Could've dominated your lane more thoroughly. Could've ganked their jungler more effectively at level 1.
You know this stuff. You're probably a better player than I am. Not sure why Nocturne has you so bent out of shape.
That is just a list of stupid things so that you won't be wrong. However, you continue to be wrong.
If you want to counter Nocturne, get a doran's shield. Maybe a cloth armor and a red crystal as well. Problem solved.
Or hell just get a giant's belt pretty early.
Any of those will cockblock his early game against that character and prevent full health tower dives.
Does it slow down your mad deeps? Uh...yeah, but you can't deep if your dead.
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then whenever someone goes into the bushes bot you smear them against the wall
Yes you could. But if you do that, somewhere, somehow, every time you do it. A kitten will die.
I don't think you want that on your conscience.
Oh, on that note. Poppy is a hard counter to Nocturne late game. Literally does not give two fucks about him. I can take her early on but AP poppy just explodes me in two hits later on with impunity.
Actually AP Poppy explodes ANYONE in two hits late game.
Damn yordle.
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Sorry.
If you're getting ganked at full health underneath your tower and aren't able to avoid it or force a trade, it's because you fucked up at some point.
That point could have been at champ select, could have been when choosing runes & masteries, could have been when you bought your first item, could have been when your team failed to gank the jungle at level 1, could have been when you took a solo lane you weren't prepared to win.
actually, does that work? does q activate on hit effects? cause thats the only way i thought a trinity force proc would work with his Q.
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I'm pretty sure it does. Decisive Strike resets your swing timer and is an "on next attack" effect, which means it'll proc any on-hit effect.
Hey Delph, how's your build going for Jax, any changes? I gave it a shot in an AI game, but it felt a little off. I think it was the building into a lichbane when I was used to the ridiculous speed of stirkes with a rageblade.