I don't once recall seeing the racism of L4D brought up. This isn't to say it didn't happen, I'm sure it might have, but it certainly wasn't anything nearly approaching the same extent. Don't you feel this might suggest that there is something more to RE5 then just 'lol it's because you're killing black people'.
I have no opinion about the RE5 "controversy" because I just don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series in general and so never paid any attention. I brought up the complaints about L4D2 because the discussion reminded me of it and I thought it was good for a laugh in hindsight. I don't think one really has anything to do with the other aside from the fact that it was the same people upset about both games and pointing to them as examples of a "growing undercurrent of racism" in gaming.
That he promises more than he delivers is a fact. And I'm certainly not saying he should be immune to criticism. However, I get this feeling that everybody takes it so personal, like they were so looking forward to whatever new thing he was going to do. Then, when it (inevitably) doesn't happen, they react like he kicked their dog.
I maintain that this goes back to the whole outspoken thing. People only like it if they can deliver and very few ever deliver. If Reggie was a spokesman for Lionhead, people would hate him, too.
Molyneux has a long history of flat-out lying about his mediocre games. He's a human sack of shit, and shame on you for defending the asshole.
Human sack of shit. Wow.
Videogames, people. Serious stuff.
His mediocre games aren't what makes him a sack of sillygoose.
His chronic lying and deception on the other hand...
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If something you kill in a videogame isn't white, it's racist.
That he promises more than he delivers is a fact. And I'm certainly not saying he should be immune to criticism. However, I get this feeling that everybody takes it so personal, like they were so looking forward to whatever new thing he was going to do. Then, when it (inevitably) doesn't happen, they react like he kicked their dog.
I maintain that this goes back to the whole outspoken thing. People only like it if they can deliver and very few ever deliver. If Reggie was a spokesman for Lionhead, people would hate him, too.
Molyneux has a long history of flat-out lying about his mediocre games. He's a human sack of shit, and shame on you for defending the asshole.
Human sack of shit. Wow.
Videogames, people. Serious stuff.
His mediocre games aren't what makes him a sack of shit.
His chronic lying and deception on the other hand...
Redardless of the frequency or severity of the lies, I think calling someone a human sack of shit because of anything to do with videogames is a bit of an overreaction.
I've said it before, but RE5 wouldn't have been so bad if the "African" partner was actually, y'know, AFRICAN instead of dipped in weak tea (I.e.: practically white) while fighting all those coal-black Africans. Made things kinda uncomfortable there.
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Gentlemen, please.
There's only one [silly goose] in the industry, and his name is Kotick.
I've said it before, but RE5 wouldn't have been so bad if the "African" partner was actually, y'know, AFRICAN instead of dipped in weak tea (I.e.: practically white) while fighting all those coal-black Africans. Made things kinda uncomfortable there.
Her last name is Alomar. I wouldn't be surprised if she's the result of a character designer thinking hispanic women are hot, and thinking that hispanic people are black. It is Japan after all...
If something you kill in a videogame isn't white, it's racist.
Bravo. Wonderful.
Resident Evil 5 is at best, racially insensitive. By time you stopped killing zombies in the first games that looked this:
You were massive white dudes gunning down Spainards and Africans who looked mostly human.
Yeah, those dudes are infected. We know that, but what about those that don't play these games?
Malicious? Nah. But insensitive? Quite so. And the kicker? The first extra costume you can unlock for Sheva?
Classy.
And let's go all in on the 'politically correct' thing. What people really mean when they bring up that they hate it is 'I want to be a dick and feel okay about it". Which is fine. Many comedians I love are dicks. I can't bring myself to care about Itagaki's work on Dead or Alive and how it deals with women, because he obviously didn't care. Be open about it. I can respect that.
But don't hide behind your dickishness like you're doing something good or righteous.
Can people go too far with it? Sure. But then again, we're in a thread where someone called Molyneux a 'human sack of shit' because he over-promises and under-delivers on some video games. Everyone's got a button.
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I got to remember if a Zombie Apocalypse ever happens, only to shoot the white guys trying to eat me, or I'll probably be accused of being a total racist.
Edit: Resident Evil 5's setting is still stupid though.
I've said it before, but RE5 wouldn't have been so bad if the "African" partner was actually, y'know, AFRICAN instead of dipped in weak tea (I.e.: practically white) while fighting all those coal-black Africans. Made things kinda uncomfortable there.
Her last name is Alomar. I wouldn't be surprised if she's the result of a character designer thinking hispanic women are hot, and thinking that hispanic people are black. It is Japan after all...
I honestly thought the was Hispanic in the promo shots.
I think Yahtzee said it best... Capcom wasn't racist in this case, they were just stupid.
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I was worried for a second, but it's you. You get a feel for the regulars after a while. This thread is like 10 or so of us banging our heads against the wall, with the occasional lurker.
I was worried for a second, but it's you. You get a feel for the regulars after a while. This thread is like 10 or so of us banging our heads against the wall, with the occasional lurker.
... Well I'll grant that it's half snarky, half my-actual-opinion. But because the subject is old, I'd rather steer away from it. So you get half the experience you normally would. I'll get you next time, Gadget.
That he promises more than he delivers is a fact. And I'm certainly not saying he should be immune to criticism. However, I get this feeling that everybody takes it so personal, like they were so looking forward to whatever new thing he was going to do. Then, when it (inevitably) doesn't happen, they react like he kicked their dog.
I maintain that this goes back to the whole outspoken thing. People only like it if they can deliver and very few ever deliver. If Reggie was a spokesman for Lionhead, people would hate him, too.
Molyneux has a long history of flat-out lying about his mediocre games. He's a human sack of shit, and shame on you for defending the asshole.
Human sack of shit. Wow.
Videogames, people. Serious stuff.
His mediocre games aren't what makes him a sack of shit.
His chronic lying and deception on the other hand...
Redardless of the frequency or severity of the lies, I think calling someone a human sack of shit because of anything to do with videogames is a bit of an overreaction.
OH! Speaking of, what's the progress on the courts removing all his patent bullshit? I often lament our judicial system, but in this case they took the appropriate action and it restored my faith in things.
Peter can say whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned. Making stuff up and fable 3 aren't enough to outweigh the good he's done.
I wish he'd focus on polishing the basics of his games before trying to add a lot of shit. The Fable games always seem like they'd be a few months of polishing away from being good.
Peter can say whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned. Making stuff up and fable 3 aren't enough to outweigh the good he's done.
I wish he'd focus on polishing the basics of his games before trying to add a lot of shit. The Fable games always seem like they'd be a few months of polishing away from being good.
But he's NOT adding a lot of shit, he's lying about it! :V
That he promises more than he delivers is a fact. And I'm certainly not saying he should be immune to criticism. However, I get this feeling that everybody takes it so personal, like they were so looking forward to whatever new thing he was going to do. Then, when it (inevitably) doesn't happen, they react like he kicked their dog.
I maintain that this goes back to the whole outspoken thing. People only like it if they can deliver and very few ever deliver. If Reggie was a spokesman for Lionhead, people would hate him, too.
Molyneux has a long history of flat-out lying about his mediocre games. He's a human sack of shit, and shame on you for defending the asshole.
Human sack of shit. Wow.
Videogames, people. Serious stuff.
His mediocre games aren't what makes him a sack of shit.
His chronic lying and deception on the other hand...
Redardless of the frequency or severity of the lies, I think calling someone a human sack of shit because of anything to do with videogames is a bit of an overreaction.
Tim Langdell.
That guy is a human sack of shit. But I'd say it has more to do with abusing the legal system than just producing shitty games.
Besides, Molyneux gave the world Dungeon Keeper. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale.
Resident Evil 5 and the killing of black not-zombies . . . please! You were in Africa, what else are you going to shoot exactly?
Video games went into the territory of assaulting you with actual racism a long time before Resident Evil came along. Not only that, but it was so subtle that you might not even realize you saw it. Observe:
I've said it before and I'll say it again,
the quality of his games have nothing to do with why he's a silly goosebag.
Do you even know anything about him outside of the context of video games? Is he an abusive father? Are his political opinions the polar opposite of yours? Does he wear fur whenever possible and laugh at homeless people on the street?
I've said it before and I'll say it again,
the quality of his games have nothing to do with why he's a silly goosebag.
Do you even know anything about him outside of the context of video games? Is he an abusive father? Are his political opinions the polar opposite of yours? Does he wear fur whenever possible and laugh at homeless people on the street?
There might actually be something to a theory which I made up just now that asserts that people with the first name "Tim" in this industry have a higher chance of being described as such.
The basis for this theory moving forward is this Tim Langdell guy here and the fact that the first person that came to mind for me, regarding people who could fit into the quoted descriptor, was Tim Rogers.
I don't once recall seeing the racism of L4D brought up. This isn't to say it didn't happen, I'm sure it might have, but it certainly wasn't anything nearly approaching the same extent. Don't you feel this might suggest that there is something more to RE5 then just 'lol it's because you're killing black people'.
I have no opinion about the RE5 "controversy" because I just don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series in general and so never paid any attention. I brought up the complaints about L4D2 because the discussion reminded me of it and I thought it was good for a laugh in hindsight. I don't think one really has anything to do with the other aside from the fact that it was the same people upset about both games and pointing to them as examples of a "growing undercurrent of racism" in gaming.
You clearly do have an opinion about the RE5 "controversy" if you're equating them to people bitching about L4D2's racism. Worse, it's a completely uninformed opinion since you don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series. Unless you've got proof that the same people complained about both games, your comparison is idiotic.
I should probably point out that I actually agreed with the "it's in Africa, what do you expect" point of view before its release. But then I listened to a podcast and I think it was Robert Ashley who was talking about how he was running around huts, breaking vases and stealing all the jewels in them that opened my eyes. RE5 is almost a parody of the colonial rape of Afrika.
The dumbest part about the whole thing was Capcom didn't listen at all. Instead of actually trying to address the issue and you know, doing some god damn research, they threw a few white and brown enemy models in there and didn't bother actually fixing the racist shit in that game. But no, removing a white blonde girl they'd specifically created for one scene was apparently too hard.
Though I guess there's a chance the second half was even worse.
The racist outcry against RE5 happened because the enemies were black, not because they were racist charactures. Mainly because the outcry happened before the game released and all of the footage was of the city at the start of the game where it's just infected normal people.
Bullshit. White, blonde girl (the only one in the entire game) is carried away by two black guys. How the fuck is that not racist? And yeah, as Leitner said the guys running around in flax skirts, wearing wood masks and throwing spears.
You basically play a white dude, running around Afrika with your tan pal, shooting those evil black guys (w/ random arabs/indians cause uh, that somehow makes it not racist) and breaking cultural artifacts for some sweet loot. While it may not have been malicious racism, it was still racism through sheer ignorance and that's a laughable excuse.
The controversy started the second it was revealed it was in Africa. All of the other crap from the game wasn't known: people jumped on it for being "racist" (which it isn't even now with the full game out: it's racially insensitive) with absolutely no information on the game besides "you play a white dude in africa and shoot black zombies." The rest of the game itself showed that it was more on the insensitive side than not, but that original backlash was completely unwarranted.
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I don't once recall seeing the racism of L4D brought up. This isn't to say it didn't happen, I'm sure it might have, but it certainly wasn't anything nearly approaching the same extent. Don't you feel this might suggest that there is something more to RE5 then just 'lol it's because you're killing black people'.
I have no opinion about the RE5 "controversy" because I just don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series in general and so never paid any attention. I brought up the complaints about L4D2 because the discussion reminded me of it and I thought it was good for a laugh in hindsight. I don't think one really has anything to do with the other aside from the fact that it was the same people upset about both games and pointing to them as examples of a "growing undercurrent of racism" in gaming.
You clearly do have an opinion about the RE5 "controversy" if you're equating them to people bitching about L4D2's racism.
I'm equating them because and only because some of the same people complained about both games and cited them as support for their argument about racism in games. (See below.) And I only went that far because it was suggested that the complaints about one somehow gave an insight into whether or not the complaints about the other were justified, a suggestion which if you read you will note I rejected, saying that the only connection between the two controversies was that some of the same individuals had spoken out about them.
Worse, it's a completely uninformed opinion since you don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series. Unless you've got proof that the same people complained about both games, your comparison is idiotic.
Is my link to this now-infamous column by the same guy complaining about both games and saying they're evidence of a trend of racism in games sufficient proof that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a trend of racism in games? Is my comparison still idiotic?
Again, I never played RE5, didn't follow the controversy over it, don't know whether the accusations of it being racist were just or not. The accusations about L4D2 being racist were something I did take notice of because it's a game I was actually interested in and my position is that those accusations were patently ridiculous.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,
the quality of his games have nothing to do with why he's a silly goosebag.
Do you even know anything about him outside of the context of video games? Is he an abusive father? Are his political opinions the polar opposite of yours? Does he wear fur whenever possible and laugh at homeless people on the street?
I was kind of thinking the same thing to an extent, but Molyneaux recently got an award (which you can see back a few pages) and started his speech by clarifying some things about his more shady public statements.
But surely we could always go for a refreshing change of topic! So, what are your thoughts on games as art and quick time events?
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Ha, I love this answer.
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The racist outcry against RE5 happened because the enemies were black, not because they were racist charactures. Mainly because the outcry happened before the game released and all of the footage was of the city at the start of the game where it's just infected normal people.
Bullshit. White, blonde girl (the only one in the entire game) is carried away by two black guys. How the fuck is that not racist? And yeah, as Leitner said the guys running around in flax skirts, wearing wood masks and throwing spears.
You basically play a white dude, running around Afrika with your tan pal, shooting those evil black guys (w/ random arabs/indians cause uh, that somehow makes it not racist) and breaking cultural artifacts for some sweet loot. While it may not have been malicious racism, it was still racism through sheer ignorance and that's a laughable excuse.
The controversy started the second it was revealed it was in Africa. All of the other crap from the game wasn't known: people jumped on it for being "racist" (which it isn't even now with the full game out: it's racially insensitive) with absolutely no information on the game besides "you play a white dude in africa and shoot black zombies." The rest of the game itself showed that it was more on the insensitive side than not, but that original backlash was completely unwarranted.
Find me someone complaining about racism before the first gameplay trailer at E3 2007 then. Please. Because N'Gai's comments about it were quite specifically related to the trailer.
Gaslight: No, we're not done here. One guy is not proof. Nor is two, three or twenty. Actual proof would be comparing both games to each other and coming to the conclusion that they are as 'racist' as each other.
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I have no opinion about the RE5 "controversy" because I just don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series in general and so never paid any attention. I brought up the complaints about L4D2 because the discussion reminded me of it and I thought it was good for a laugh in hindsight. I don't think one really has anything to do with the other aside from the fact that it was the same people upset about both games and pointing to them as examples of a "growing undercurrent of racism" in gaming.
His mediocre games aren't what makes him a sack of sillygoose.
His chronic lying and deception on the other hand...
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There's only one [silly goose] in the industry, and his name is Kotick.
Her last name is Alomar. I wouldn't be surprised if she's the result of a character designer thinking hispanic women are hot, and thinking that hispanic people are black. It is Japan after all...
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Bravo. Wonderful.
Resident Evil 5 is at best, racially insensitive. By time you stopped killing zombies in the first games that looked this:
Malicious? Nah. But insensitive? Quite so. And the kicker? The first extra costume you can unlock for Sheva?
Classy.
And let's go all in on the 'politically correct' thing. What people really mean when they bring up that they hate it is 'I want to be a dick and feel okay about it". Which is fine. Many comedians I love are dicks. I can't bring myself to care about Itagaki's work on Dead or Alive and how it deals with women, because he obviously didn't care. Be open about it. I can respect that.
But don't hide behind your dickishness like you're doing something good or righteous.
Can people go too far with it? Sure. But then again, we're in a thread where someone called Molyneux a 'human sack of shit' because he over-promises and under-delivers on some video games. Everyone's got a button.
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Edit: Resident Evil 5's setting is still stupid though.
I honestly thought the was Hispanic in the promo shots.
I think Yahtzee said it best... Capcom wasn't racist in this case, they were just stupid.
I was worried for a second, but it's you. You get a feel for the regulars after a while. This thread is like 10 or so of us banging our heads against the wall, with the occasional lurker.
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... Well I'll grant that it's half snarky, half my-actual-opinion. But because the subject is old, I'd rather steer away from it. So you get half the experience you normally would. I'll get you next time, Gadget.
OH! Speaking of, what's the progress on the courts removing all his patent bullshit? I often lament our judicial system, but in this case they took the appropriate action and it restored my faith in things.
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Peter can say whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned. Making stuff up and fable 3 aren't enough to outweigh the good he's done.
I wish he'd focus on polishing the basics of his games before trying to add a lot of shit. The Fable games always seem like they'd be a few months of polishing away from being good.
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But he's NOT adding a lot of shit, he's lying about it! :V
... I'll stop now.
That guy is a human sack of shit. But I'd say it has more to do with abusing the legal system than just producing shitty games.
Besides, Molyneux gave the world Dungeon Keeper. That's got to balance out on the karmic scale.
the quality of his games have nothing to do with why he's a silly goosebag.
Video games went into the territory of assaulting you with actual racism a long time before Resident Evil came along. Not only that, but it was so subtle that you might not even realize you saw it. Observe:
Do you even know anything about him outside of the context of video games? Is he an abusive father? Are his political opinions the polar opposite of yours? Does he wear fur whenever possible and laugh at homeless people on the street?
No, but he's a filthy liar
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There might actually be something to a theory which I made up just now that asserts that people with the first name "Tim" in this industry have a higher chance of being described as such.
The basis for this theory moving forward is this Tim Langdell guy here and the fact that the first person that came to mind for me, regarding people who could fit into the quoted descriptor, was Tim Rogers.
You clearly do have an opinion about the RE5 "controversy" if you're equating them to people bitching about L4D2's racism. Worse, it's a completely uninformed opinion since you don't give a shit about the Resident Evil series. Unless you've got proof that the same people complained about both games, your comparison is idiotic.
I should probably point out that I actually agreed with the "it's in Africa, what do you expect" point of view before its release. But then I listened to a podcast and I think it was Robert Ashley who was talking about how he was running around huts, breaking vases and stealing all the jewels in them that opened my eyes. RE5 is almost a parody of the colonial rape of Afrika.
The dumbest part about the whole thing was Capcom didn't listen at all. Instead of actually trying to address the issue and you know, doing some god damn research, they threw a few white and brown enemy models in there and didn't bother actually fixing the racist shit in that game. But no, removing a white blonde girl they'd specifically created for one scene was apparently too hard.
Though I guess there's a chance the second half was even worse.
The controversy started the second it was revealed it was in Africa. All of the other crap from the game wasn't known: people jumped on it for being "racist" (which it isn't even now with the full game out: it's racially insensitive) with absolutely no information on the game besides "you play a white dude in africa and shoot black zombies." The rest of the game itself showed that it was more on the insensitive side than not, but that original backlash was completely unwarranted.
RE5 and Molyneaux? Really?
I'm equating them because and only because some of the same people complained about both games and cited them as support for their argument about racism in games. (See below.) And I only went that far because it was suggested that the complaints about one somehow gave an insight into whether or not the complaints about the other were justified, a suggestion which if you read you will note I rejected, saying that the only connection between the two controversies was that some of the same individuals had spoken out about them.
http://blogs.chron.com/gamehacks/2009/07/racism_in_video_games_the_new.html#more
Is my link to this now-infamous column by the same guy complaining about both games and saying they're evidence of a trend of racism in games sufficient proof that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a trend of racism in games? Is my comparison still idiotic?
Again, I never played RE5, didn't follow the controversy over it, don't know whether the accusations of it being racist were just or not. The accusations about L4D2 being racist were something I did take notice of because it's a game I was actually interested in and my position is that those accusations were patently ridiculous.
Are we done here?
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I was kind of thinking the same thing to an extent, but Molyneaux recently got an award (which you can see back a few pages) and started his speech by clarifying some things about his more shady public statements.
But surely we could always go for a refreshing change of topic! So, what are your thoughts on games as art and quick time events?
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What if there is an outline of the female figure, or some sideboob done in good taste?
Find me someone complaining about racism before the first gameplay trailer at E3 2007 then. Please. Because N'Gai's comments about it were quite specifically related to the trailer.
Gaslight: No, we're not done here. One guy is not proof. Nor is two, three or twenty. Actual proof would be comparing both games to each other and coming to the conclusion that they are as 'racist' as each other.
If you've got a better topic, post it, otherwise there's no point whining about the current one.
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