Eurogamer: What ever happened to Guilty Gear? Why did you stop making it?
Daisuke Ishiwatari: Guilty Gear got too hardcore for some people, so we wanted to reset the level of entrance. BlazBlue was the answer to it. Also, the generation of Guilty Gear players has become a certain age – maybe a little bit too old for playing games. So making that reset brings in a new generation of fighting game players. Then they will be with us for the next few years.
We stopped making our game cause noone was hardcore enough. (Oh, and you're too old too!)
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I think what he meant is that basically as the game went on the barrier to entry got higher and higher. Meaning that basically there weren't getting much new blood as far as customers go because they were probably intimidated coming in.
That and we're old...>_>...I'm not that old, I'm offended by that.
Gaslight: No, we're not done here. One guy is not proof. Nor is two, three or twenty. Actual proof would be comparing both games to each other and coming to the conclusion that they are as 'racist' as each other.
Why would I want to prove that? What does that have to do with anything? I never said they were as racist or weren't as racist as each other. I said L4D2 is IMO not racist at all and that I don't know enough about RE5 to say either way. You want me to prove something I never claimed and don't care about. I said some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a particular conclusion. That was all that I said, and I said it only by way of rejecting the idea that there was any deeper relationship between the controversies over the two games. Give my post another read. I then showed you that that was indeed the case.
Once more, so we're perfectly clear: the only claim I ever made was that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. I then showed proof that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. That is all.
Now I don't know what argument it is that you're trying so hard to have, but I've got nothing to do with it and I'm not interested in it, so maybe you can find yourself someone else to be your sparring partner.
I was kind of thinking the same thing to an extent, but Molyneaux recently got an award (which you can see back a few pages) and started his speech by clarifying some things about his more shady public statements.
But surely we could always go for a refreshing change of topic! So, what are your thoughts on games as art and quick time events?
I may not like Molyneaux very much and I definitely don't like Fable 2 or 3 but I don't really hate the man. I just think he needs to clean up his act if he wants to keep making good games and if he wants to be taken seriously again.
As for games as art? That's obvious that they are as much as it is that Roger Ebert is biased and old.
QTEs are ok sometimes but when used in excess they get real old and stale real fast.
That's all been debated to death already as much as the (in my opinion) clearly racist RE5. And it's not about whether or not RE5 is racist because at the core, it's a bad game in comparison to the awesome RE precedent set by RE4. RE5 didn't live up to that precedent by miles in spite of it being racist or whatever and is a bad game and we shouldn't really give a shit about it regardless.
A politically correct piece of poo is still a piece of poo.
What if there is an outline of the female figure, or some sideboob done in good taste?
Trash like that destroys the good morale fabric of society! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go play some Call of Duty!
Good on you soldier! Both for not being complicit with materials illicit and for not allowing the terrorists to win.
And I trust that if you find out that any of your squadmates are gay, well . . . you'll know what to do.
I can't tell on this battlefield, everyone hurling insults involving minorities and homosexuals, hard to tell if someone is or not!
Try to find the people who don't yell quite as loud. They're the ones.
I've also received intel which states that they are impeccably well groomed and don't mind their bunkers being raided. Although to be honest, I don't get that last bit. I guess I just don't see why someone would want to just roll over and let the enemy fortify such a strategic position like that.
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Why would I want to prove that? What does that have to do with anything? I never said they were as racist or weren't as racist as each other. I said L4D2 is IMO not racist at all and that I don't know enough about RE5 to say either way. You want me to prove something I never claimed and don't care about. I said some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a particular conclusion. That was all that I said, and I said it only by way of rejecting the idea that there was any deeper relationship between the controversies over the two games. Give my post another read. I then showed you that that was indeed the case.
Once more, so we're perfectly clear: the only claim I ever made was that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. I then showed proof that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. That is all.
Now I don't know what argument it is that you're trying so hard to have, but I've got nothing to do with it and I'm not interested in it, so maybe you can find yourself someone else to be your sparring partner.
My problem was you didn't say some of the same at all, you just said they were the same. Now that you have revised your argument, I've no problem.
And yeah, Corehealer, I agree with you. RE5 sucked. Though not just compared to RE4 but most of the (proper) games in the series. Only one worse than it is RE Zero.
And yeah, Corehealer, I agree with you. RE5 sucked. Though not just compared to RE4 but most of the (proper) games in the series. Only one worse than it is RE Zero.
Ouch! What about the PS2 Resident Evil game where you simply moved a cursor around on screen and shot at zombies from a first person viewpoint though?
From what I saw of that game there were absolutely no redeeming qualities. Resident Evil: Zero had some clever puzzles at least, it just came out at a time when people were already going through fatigue with the old Resident Evil gameplay. I honestly thought it was a decent game, even good at points. Leech hunter was fun!
And yeah, Corehealer, I agree with you. RE5 sucked. Though not just compared to RE4 but most of the (proper) games in the series. Only one worse than it is RE Zero.
Ouch! What about the PS2 Resident Evil game where you simply moved a cursor around on screen and shot at zombies from a first person viewpoint though?
From what I saw of that game there were absolutely no redeeming qualities. Resident Evil: Zero had some clever puzzles at least, it just came out at a time when people were already going through fatigue with the old Resident Evil gameplay. I honestly thought it was a decent game, even good at points. Leech hunter was fun!
Ha, yeah that's why I added proper in brackets, I wasn't counting the spinoffs. You might be surprised by RE Survivor wasn't actually the worst one, RE Survivor 2 was. It was apparently Claire's dream while she was unconcious in Code Veronica and so was based in Code Veronica environments but had an ensemble of enemies. Spend too much time in an area and boom Nemesis would randomly show up. It was so bad it never got a US release.
RE Zero I really dislike for a number of reasons. Namely, the item management (oh boy, I have to run all the way back to the start because I need the f'n crank again?), crappy enemies (giant scorpion, giant bat, giant toads, zombie monkeys and leech monsters), a story that made the RE storyline a way bigger mess (which seemed to be retconned later on) and a Rebecca AI bug where she sometimes wouldn't shoot enemies (happened to me in the last boss). Pity too, it started so well, I loved the train part.
Nothing to do with fatigue though, I'd already played RE1-3, Code Veronica and REmake multiple times by that point (even bothered finishing REmake on Invisible Enemy mode).
Eurogamer: What ever happened to Guilty Gear? Why did you stop making it?
Daisuke Ishiwatari: Guilty Gear got too hardcore for some people, so we wanted to reset the level of entrance. BlazBlue was the answer to it. Also, the generation of Guilty Gear players has become a certain age – maybe a little bit too old for playing games. So making that reset brings in a new generation of fighting game players. Then they will be with us for the next few years.
Some of the puzzles suck in Zero, and the Co-op is lame. However the only not lame thing in RE 5 is the co-op...except when it is lame because you don't have another person.
RE Zero at least has good bosses and some pretty neat weapons.
Resident Evil 5 is the kind of disappointing follow-up that other disappointing follow-ups dream about. Hell, I may be tempted to call it the Spider-Man 3 of the video game world.
Resident Evil 5 is the kind of disappointing follow-up that other disappointing follow-ups dream about. Hell, I may be tempted to call it the Spider-Man 3 of the video game world.
RE Zero has almost the same problem considering how great REmake is.
RE5 is just one of those games that this entire board "agrees" is "awful" and yet it's actually the highest selling RE game ever, and I believe the most profitable as well.
I'm one of the cool kids though, I absolutely hated it, yup.
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Meh, I played through it with my brother. Had a decent enough time with it.
That said, I never really got into the RE series. The controls were shit until RE4 and even then they weren't good, just adequate.
It's one of the times where Capcom really could have (and should have) repackaged the same shit and given it to me again and it would have been far more preferable
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The racist outcry against RE5 happened because the enemies were black, not because they were racist charactures. Mainly because the outcry happened before the game released and all of the footage was of the city at the start of the game where it's just infected normal people.
Bullshit. White, blonde girl (the only one in the entire game) is carried away by two black guys. How the fuck is that not racist? And yeah, as Leitner said the guys running around in flax skirts, wearing wood masks and throwing spears.
You basically play a white dude, running around Afrika with your tan pal, shooting those evil black guys (w/ random arabs/indians cause uh, that somehow makes it not racist) and breaking cultural artifacts for some sweet loot. While it may not have been malicious racism, it was still racism through sheer ignorance and that's a laughable excuse.
The controversy started the second it was revealed it was in Africa. All of the other crap from the game wasn't known: people jumped on it for being "racist" (which it isn't even now with the full game out: it's racially insensitive) with absolutely no information on the game besides "you play a white dude in africa and shoot black zombies." The rest of the game itself showed that it was more on the insensitive side than not, but that original backlash was completely unwarranted.
Find me someone complaining about racism before the first gameplay trailer at E3 2007 then. Please. Because N'Gai's comments about it were quite specifically related to the trailer.
That was exactly what I was talking about! You did my work for me: he started complaining about racism based on a trailer of an unreleased game. Nothing in that trailer was more insensitive than the start of RE4 outside of them being in NotAfrica instead of NotSpain. He cried wolf and so by the time the game came out and it turned out to be pretty insensitive in ways more than musclehead whitey killing blacks no one gave a shit anymore.
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Honestly...maybe it's just because I'm familiar with Capcom but their probably unintentional racism didn't bother me much.
That reminds me I need to get around to finishing RE4 Wii, I put it done about 2 years ago just before the first regenerator. The game just keeps going on.
Need to finish that so I can start RE5 and be one of the cool kids hating on it.
RE5 is just one of those games that this entire board "agrees" is "awful" and yet it's actually the highest selling RE game ever, and I believe the most profitable as well.
I'm one of the cool kids though, I absolutely hated it, yup.
I'm guessing you're talking about this list? If you pay attention to it, you'll notice that prior to this gen every SKU was listed seperately (so PS2 version of RE4 is listed seperately from the GC version), while newer games (like RE5 and DMC4) are bundled together.
So just looking at the next RE entry, those RE2 sales aren't including the N64, DC, PC, GC or Game.com versions of the game, nor even the Dual Shock version (which sold 810k (page 6)). So no, if you do a bit of maths, it really isn't even close to being the best selling game in the series.
Opty: That's not what you were talking about. There was information about the game, the very first trailer even had the white blonde girl gets carried away by a couple of black dudes scene (which they actually changed to brown dudes in the final game, to "solve" the racism).
Edit: And yes, I would buy HD re-releases of REmake, RE4 and even RE Zero the instant they were released.
Honestly...maybe it's just because I'm familiar with Capcom but their probably unintentional racism didn't bother me much.
I mean look at Street Fighter...>_>
Personally for me it cannot be racism if it's unintentional: racism for me is overt and intentional and generally malicious. If it's unintentional then it's racial insensitivity, which Japan has in spades due to their historical homogony.
Honestly...maybe it's just because I'm familiar with Capcom but their probably unintentional racism didn't bother me much.
I mean look at Street Fighter...>_>
Personally for me it cannot be racism if it's unintentional: racism for me is overt and intentional and generally malicious. If it's unintentional then it's racial insensitivity, which Japan has in spades due to their historical homogony.
If someone genuinely believes black people are stupider than white people, that doesn't mean he's not racist, it means he's an idiot. Racism through ignorance is still racism.
Opty: That's not what you were talking about. There was information about the game, the very first trailer even had the white blonde girl gets carried away by a couple of black dudes scene (which they actually changed to brown dudes in the final game, to "solve" the racism).
There is no such trailer, the very first trailer had no black people in it whatsoever, just people in shadow. The next trailer was the one you linked, then the trailer after that introduced Sheva. The whole thing about the white woman and the black-men-as-rapists stereotype was brought up when game sites were previewing the finished game and it got sent to the UK's anti-racism council or whatever (they said it wasn't racist). There was no "fixing" of skin tone as far as I know. But like I said, by that point there had been 2 years of a drawn out "RE5's racist everyone!" dialog based on very little evidence and by the time the game came out no one really cared anymore.
And someone genuinely believing something means it's intentional, thus it'd be racism.
Resident Evil 5 is the kind of disappointing follow-up that other disappointing follow-ups dream about. Hell, I may be tempted to call it the Spider-Man 3 of the video game world.
I thought that Spider-Man 3 was the Spider-Man 3 of the video game world.
Apparently, RE5's Mercenaries mode is considered inferior to RE4's. Which I can't understand why personally, as Mercenaries, at its core, is entirely combat oriented, and it comes with optional co-op. Seems to be clearly superior, even if RE5 is a much worse game overall.
They should release a good cricket game on XBLA and PSN in the US. I'd be willing to figure out those funny euro sports if I got points for it.
I played RE5 exclusively with my co-op game buddy, so I didn't get what was bad about the game until much later when I played it alone. I'd argue that the first half of Lost in Shadow was the single best thing to come out of RE5.
RE5 is just one of those games that this entire board "agrees" is "awful" and yet it's actually the highest selling RE game ever, and I believe the most profitable as well.
I'm one of the cool kids though, I absolutely hated it, yup.
I'm guessing you're talking about this list? If you pay attention to it, you'll notice that prior to this gen every SKU was listed seperately (so PS2 version of RE4 is listed seperately from the GC version), while newer games (like RE5 and DMC4) are bundled together.
So just looking at the next RE entry, those RE2 sales aren't including the N64, DC, PC, GC or Game.com versions of the game, nor even the Dual Shock version (which sold 810k (page 6)). So no, if you do a bit of maths, it really isn't even close to being the best selling game in the series.
Opty: That's not what you were talking about. There was information about the game, the very first trailer even had the white blonde girl gets carried away by a couple of black dudes scene (which they actually changed to brown dudes in the final game, to "solve" the racism).
Edit: And yes, I would buy HD re-releases of REmake, RE4 and even RE Zero the instant they were released.
Actually I was talking about a wikipedia search, which is as about as far as I can care about the RE5 hate around here.
I concede your internet numbers are better than mine though!
They should release a good cricket game on XBLA and PSN in the US. I'd be willing to figure out those funny euro sports if I got points for it.
I played RE5 exclusively with my co-op game buddy, so I didn't get what was bad about the game until much later when I played it alone. I'd argue that the first half of Lost in Shadow was the single best thing to come out of RE5.
I played it co-op as well. Maybe that's what all the hate is about, solo play? Co-op was pretty fun.
They should release a good cricket game on XBLA and PSN in the US. I'd be willing to figure out those funny euro sports if I got points for it.
I played RE5 exclusively with my co-op game buddy, so I didn't get what was bad about the game until much later when I played it alone. I'd argue that the first half of Lost in Shadow was the single best thing to come out of RE5.
I played it co-op as well. Maybe that's what all the hate is about, solo play? Co-op was pretty fun.
Yeah, the game's quality takes a nosedive if you play it solo. It's almost unplayable at higher difficulties due to the AI's behavior.
They should release a good cricket game on XBLA and PSN in the US. I'd be willing to figure out those funny euro sports if I got points for it.
I played RE5 exclusively with my co-op game buddy, so I didn't get what was bad about the game until much later when I played it alone. I'd argue that the first half of Lost in Shadow was the single best thing to come out of RE5.
I played it co-op as well. Maybe that's what all the hate is about, solo play? Co-op was pretty fun.
Yeah, the game's quality takes a nosedive if you play it solo. It's almost unplayable at higher difficulties due to the AI's behavior.
I didn't have that issue. I found RE5 to be pretty forgiving at higher difficulties compared to RE4. Granted, your sidekick is a hell of a lot more vulnerable than Ashley but the fights tend to be a bit easier to predict and coordinate. Replaying the crap out of stages to upgrade and unlock guns tends to help out a lot. There were some super bullshit fights tho, but they were the exception.
It's been a while, but I remember
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Trash like that destroys the good morale fabric of society! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go play some Call of Duty!
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I think what he meant is that basically as the game went on the barrier to entry got higher and higher. Meaning that basically there weren't getting much new blood as far as customers go because they were probably intimidated coming in.
That and we're old...>_>...I'm not that old, I'm offended by that.
Why would I want to prove that? What does that have to do with anything? I never said they were as racist or weren't as racist as each other. I said L4D2 is IMO not racist at all and that I don't know enough about RE5 to say either way. You want me to prove something I never claimed and don't care about. I said some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a particular conclusion. That was all that I said, and I said it only by way of rejecting the idea that there was any deeper relationship between the controversies over the two games. Give my post another read. I then showed you that that was indeed the case.
Once more, so we're perfectly clear: the only claim I ever made was that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. I then showed proof that some of the same people complained about both games and used them as evidence of a racist trend in games. That is all.
Now I don't know what argument it is that you're trying so hard to have, but I've got nothing to do with it and I'm not interested in it, so maybe you can find yourself someone else to be your sparring partner.
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Good on you soldier! Both for not being complicit with materials illicit and for not allowing the terrorists to win.
And I trust that if you find out that any of your squadmates are gay, well . . . you'll know what to do.
I can't tell on this battlefield, everyone hurling insults involving minorities and homosexuals, hard to tell if someone is or not!
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Try to find the people who don't yell quite as loud. They're the ones.
I may not like Molyneaux very much and I definitely don't like Fable 2 or 3 but I don't really hate the man. I just think he needs to clean up his act if he wants to keep making good games and if he wants to be taken seriously again.
As for games as art? That's obvious that they are as much as it is that Roger Ebert is biased and old.
QTEs are ok sometimes but when used in excess they get real old and stale real fast.
That's all been debated to death already as much as the (in my opinion) clearly racist RE5. And it's not about whether or not RE5 is racist because at the core, it's a bad game in comparison to the awesome RE precedent set by RE4. RE5 didn't live up to that precedent by miles in spite of it being racist or whatever and is a bad game and we shouldn't really give a shit about it regardless.
A politically correct piece of poo is still a piece of poo.
I've also received intel which states that they are impeccably well groomed and don't mind their bunkers being raided. Although to be honest, I don't get that last bit. I guess I just don't see why someone would want to just roll over and let the enemy fortify such a strategic position like that.
I think he meant to say...we'll worry about pirates after we're done making the best game we can.
It just...came out so horribly wrong.
My problem was you didn't say some of the same at all, you just said they were the same. Now that you have revised your argument, I've no problem.
And yeah, Corehealer, I agree with you. RE5 sucked. Though not just compared to RE4 but most of the (proper) games in the series. Only one worse than it is RE Zero.
Ouch! What about the PS2 Resident Evil game where you simply moved a cursor around on screen and shot at zombies from a first person viewpoint though?
From what I saw of that game there were absolutely no redeeming qualities. Resident Evil: Zero had some clever puzzles at least, it just came out at a time when people were already going through fatigue with the old Resident Evil gameplay. I honestly thought it was a decent game, even good at points. Leech hunter was fun!
Edit: Ah here we go, Resident Evil: Survivor
Ha, yeah that's why I added proper in brackets, I wasn't counting the spinoffs. You might be surprised by RE Survivor wasn't actually the worst one, RE Survivor 2 was. It was apparently Claire's dream while she was unconcious in Code Veronica and so was based in Code Veronica environments but had an ensemble of enemies. Spend too much time in an area and boom Nemesis would randomly show up. It was so bad it never got a US release.
RE Zero I really dislike for a number of reasons. Namely, the item management (oh boy, I have to run all the way back to the start because I need the f'n crank again?), crappy enemies (giant scorpion, giant bat, giant toads, zombie monkeys and leech monsters), a story that made the RE storyline a way bigger mess (which seemed to be retconned later on) and a Rebecca AI bug where she sometimes wouldn't shoot enemies (happened to me in the last boss). Pity too, it started so well, I loved the train part.
Nothing to do with fatigue though, I'd already played RE1-3, Code Veronica and REmake multiple times by that point (even bothered finishing REmake on Invisible Enemy mode).
Some of the puzzles suck in Zero, and the Co-op is lame. However the only not lame thing in RE 5 is the co-op...except when it is lame because you don't have another person.
RE Zero at least has good bosses and some pretty neat weapons.
RE Zero has almost the same problem considering how great REmake is.
I saw a shot of the villain and decided I didn't need to play that game
I'm one of the cool kids though, I absolutely hated it, yup.
That said, I never really got into the RE series. The controls were shit until RE4 and even then they weren't good, just adequate.
An HD RE4 with Achievements gives me the strength to do cock pushups
I mean look at Street Fighter...>_>
Need to finish that so I can start RE5 and be one of the cool kids hating on it.
I'm guessing you're talking about this list? If you pay attention to it, you'll notice that prior to this gen every SKU was listed seperately (so PS2 version of RE4 is listed seperately from the GC version), while newer games (like RE5 and DMC4) are bundled together.
So just looking at the next RE entry, those RE2 sales aren't including the N64, DC, PC, GC or Game.com versions of the game, nor even the Dual Shock version (which sold 810k (page 6)). So no, if you do a bit of maths, it really isn't even close to being the best selling game in the series.
Opty: That's not what you were talking about. There was information about the game, the very first trailer even had the white blonde girl gets carried away by a couple of black dudes scene (which they actually changed to brown dudes in the final game, to "solve" the racism).
Edit: And yes, I would buy HD re-releases of REmake, RE4 and even RE Zero the instant they were released.
Personally for me it cannot be racism if it's unintentional: racism for me is overt and intentional and generally malicious. If it's unintentional then it's racial insensitivity, which Japan has in spades due to their historical homogony.
If someone genuinely believes black people are stupider than white people, that doesn't mean he's not racist, it means he's an idiot. Racism through ignorance is still racism.
Oh, and the only good Resident Evil game is RE2, because it's the only one I own.
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There is no such trailer, the very first trailer had no black people in it whatsoever, just people in shadow. The next trailer was the one you linked, then the trailer after that introduced Sheva. The whole thing about the white woman and the black-men-as-rapists stereotype was brought up when game sites were previewing the finished game and it got sent to the UK's anti-racism council or whatever (they said it wasn't racist). There was no "fixing" of skin tone as far as I know. But like I said, by that point there had been 2 years of a drawn out "RE5's racist everyone!" dialog based on very little evidence and by the time the game came out no one really cared anymore.
And someone genuinely believing something means it's intentional, thus it'd be racism.
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I thought that Spider-Man 3 was the Spider-Man 3 of the video game world.
Then again, Resident Evil 4 wasn't scary either.
I agree with your spoiler, can't stand the Aus cricket team.
I was, however, referring to cricket VIDEO games which I should have made more explicit. I apologise.
There have been many amazing cricket matches in the last 15 years. Aus v SA in 2006, for example.
I was trying to keep on topic but I failed.
I played RE5 exclusively with my co-op game buddy, so I didn't get what was bad about the game until much later when I played it alone. I'd argue that the first half of Lost in Shadow was the single best thing to come out of RE5.
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Actually I was talking about a wikipedia search, which is as about as far as I can care about the RE5 hate around here.
I concede your internet numbers are better than mine though!
I played it co-op as well. Maybe that's what all the hate is about, solo play? Co-op was pretty fun.
This is games analysis I can get behind! You need your own internet podcast or something!
Yeah, the game's quality takes a nosedive if you play it solo. It's almost unplayable at higher difficulties due to the AI's behavior.
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I didn't have that issue. I found RE5 to be pretty forgiving at higher difficulties compared to RE4. Granted, your sidekick is a hell of a lot more vulnerable than Ashley but the fights tend to be a bit easier to predict and coordinate. Replaying the crap out of stages to upgrade and unlock guns tends to help out a lot. There were some super bullshit fights tho, but they were the exception.
It's been a while, but I remember
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