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PATV: Child's Play Hire

SliderSlider Registered User regular
edited March 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
I love Penny Arcade, but holy shit!

In the video, Robert said that Penny Arcade has their applicants go through, something like, 6-7 steps in the interview process. Uh, wow.

Is this standard policy or is it simply a small business/Penny Arcade thing? I mean, that's insane...in my opinion.

It was equally as disturbing when they started talking about GPAs and preferred the applicants who had GPAs over 3.5 to applicants who only had GPAs around 3.0. This type of thing makes having a 2.5 GPA truly disheartening.

I also found it odd that it seemed like the only people in the video they interviewed, over the phone or whatever, were female.

When I was applying to be a Police Officer, I was only required to make it through 4-5 rounds, and two of those rounds consisted of a physical and written test.

Has anyone else experienced a similarly rigorous interview process?

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It's not insane. Businesses can interview how they want. And when you get a ton of applicants as I'm sure they do it's not a bad idea to have several rounds to help you decide. As long as they are not illegally discriminating who cares?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Well, I think part of it is the fact that, despite the fact that they're a relatively small company, they have a huge fanbase. So they get many many more applicants than other similarly sized companies would, so having more steps is almost necessary if you want to be thorough about it. And sadly, when you have that many applicants, I imagine you're looking for just about any reason to cut it down to a reasonable number, and GPA is one of the ways to do that.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    If you watch the episode from last season where they hired Erika, it's roughly the same kind of process. I think for this position alone they had 1300 applicants, so they had to do a lot of whittling down and could afford to be choosy. As they said several times, in this and previous ones, when it comes down to this stage, they're already pretty confident in the candidates skills. At this stage it's largely seeing who has a personality that would mesh well with the rest of the office.

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    mcdermott wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    It's not insane. Businesses can interview how they want. And when you get a ton of applicants as I'm sure they do it's not a bad idea to have several rounds to help you decide. As long as they are not illegally discriminating who cares?

    Businesses can interview how they want, but that method may or may not be insane. The two aren't exclusive.

    But KalTorak kinda hit on why it makes sense in this case.

    Well yeah that was mostly my point.

    It's not random, there's a reason for it.

    SO I'm not sure why Slider is upset.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    If they're hiring someone specifically for Child's Play and not for Penny Arcade, I can understand why they'd use a slightly more rigorous interview process, since Child's Play is a registered charity and thus under an exponentially larger amount of legal and public scrutiny.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I just watched it and it was total amateur hour. With so many people involved in the hiring process and fuckall consistency, they wasted the candidates time and their own. It seemed more like fraternity hazing than something an actual business would do if they didn't think "hey, we could film this for our reality show."

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Haha, hazing? Really?

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Deebaser wrote: »
    I just watched it and it was total amateur hour. With so many people involved in the hiring process and fuckall consistency, they wasted the candidates time and their own. It seemed more like fraternity hazing than something an actual business would do if they didn't think "hey, we could film this for our reality show."
    [...]
    As they said several times, in this and previous ones, when it comes down to this stage, they're already pretty confident in the candidates skills. At this stage it's largely seeing who has a personality that would mesh well with the rest of the office.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2011
    I'm sure you don't hire anything like that in your multi million dollar business enterprise

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Deebaser wrote: »
    I just watched it and it was total amateur hour. With so many people involved in the hiring process and fuckall consistency, they wasted the candidates time and their own. It seemed more like fraternity hazing than something an actual business would do if they didn't think "hey, we could film this for our reality show."

    ...You're aware they didn't show the whole process, right? Everyone was interviewed multiple times, examined in different ways and so on. With such a small company, it's apparently important for them for the person to fit in.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    All I'm saying is that it more closely resembled my fraternity's rush program than any professional hiring process I've been on either side of. Finding the right fit for any organization is important, but having 50 candidates do a written homework assignment in round five (or whatever) isn't an effective or humane way of narrowing the pool.

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Deebaser wrote: »
    All I'm saying is that it more closely resembled my fraternity's rush program than any professional hiring process I've been on either side of. Finding the right fit for any organization is important, but having 50 candidates do a written homework assignment in round five (or whatever) isn't an effective or humane way of narrowing the pool.

    I must have missed that part

    it seemed similar to how I got hired

    seriously, you think the process they showed us a part of is inhumane?

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  • TheOtherHorsemanTheOtherHorseman Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    All I'm saying is that it more closely resembled my fraternity's rush program than any professional hiring process I've been on either side of. Finding the right fit for any organization is important, but having 50 candidates do a written homework assignment in round five (or whatever) isn't an effective or humane way of narrowing the pool.

    I must have missed that part

    it seemed similar to how I got hired

    seriously, you think the process they showed us a part of is inhumane?

    At the start of the interview process, Khoo gives each applicant a puppy to train. At the end, each applicant must kill the puppy to prove their loyalty.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    All I'm saying is that it more closely resembled my fraternity's rush program than any professional hiring process I've been on either side of. Finding the right fit for any organization is important, but having 50 candidates do a written homework assignment in round five (or whatever) isn't an effective or humane way of narrowing the pool.

    I must have missed that part

    it seemed similar to how I got hired

    seriously, you think the process they showed us a part of is inhumane?

    At the start of the interview process, Khoo gives each applicant a puppy to train. At the end, each applicant must kill the puppy to prove their loyalty.


    Haha. Anyway...

    Maybe it's just my frustration at continually being passed up for positions that I would truly enjoy and appreciate. It's understandable, seeing as how I don't have applicable experience...and my GPA sucks, but it's still a bitter pill to swallow.

    I've heard that Microsoft also has some unorthodox interviewing procedures.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Deebaser wrote: »
    I just watched it and it was total amateur hour. With so many people involved in the hiring process and fuckall consistency, they wasted the candidates time and their own. It seemed more like fraternity hazing than something an actual business would do if they didn't think "hey, we could film this for our reality show."

    Did... did you watch the other hiring episodes from season 1? Basically at this point they're kind of testing for personality fit more than anything else.

    They can do this because they have the luxury of doing so as a small company. As a company that depends quite a bit on creative collaberation between employees I imagine they feel it's a very important thing to get right.

    It's not an unheard of concept for the hiring process at a company like Penny Arcade.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Slider wrote: »
    I've heard that Microsoft also has some unorthodox interviewing procedures.

    One example I saw in a similar discussion: the interviewer gives the candidate a red pen, and says, "This pen is blue."

    I'm in sales/marketing, and I've seen a fair few unorthodox hiring methods, because a sheet of paper can't tell you everything about a person's aptitude for a job that involves talking to people. One interview I went to involved group activities, having a conversation with an interviewer in front of maybe fifty other people, interviewing other candidates, and giving a pre-prepared talk.

    I'm not saying that they're necessary for every company and every position, but when personality counts so much, it makes sense.

    On the other hand, my first job out of uni had two questions at the interview:
    1) Are you legally allowed to work in the UK?
    2) Can you read this script?
    Then they put me straight on the phones, trying to get people interested in solar heating. Of course, that job had very high turnover; I always thought that the true hiring process was that first week, when you were under pressure to get your first lead on the board and prove you could hack it.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I remember sitting in on a group interview where I was the only male present. There were about 6 of us, including myself and after the first 15 minutes, I realized that I was grossly underqualified for the position. I will never know why they decided to call me for an interview in the first place.

    They went around the table, asking us questions, and I would basically echo the answer of the previous applicant. We finally were given a break, during which I chose to make a break for it, and left the interview.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I thought this was a cool story about part of one of Google's hiring procedures:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3916173

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  • Onslaught_FeiOnslaught_Fei Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't want to be _that guy_ but why not just post it in the SE dedicated thread?

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    One of the companies I applied for (and got an offer from... I turned it down because although I'd get my own office, $75k a year right out of college, and free healthcare, it was 60 hour/week) was pretty unusual. There was a phone interview, which was pretty easy, and seemed more like simple prescreening (making sure I'm graduating when they think I am, I know what the job's about, have decent grades). Then right after that first interview, they flew me out to Wisconsin. Nice hotel, I got one of the super special Governor's Suites on a floor only people with a special keycard could get to, and they took me out to a fancy Italian dinner. I spent all of the next day at their campus, most of which I was given free reign. I had a few scheduled things here and there... a pretty straightforward HR interview (I bombed it, and since I got an offer anyway, I assume that's not important), a presentation about a program I wrote (the questions were halfassed, just a few things like hardest part, how I worked with my team, how I overcame a problem), and a series of exams. This latter part is, from my understanding, the most important part. They included things like a math exam where I only had one minute to answer 20 basic math questions, I had to learn a new programming language and answer questions at each step (it starts off really simple, like "1. Integers. In this language, an integer is a whole number. It can be positive, negative, or 0. Which of the following is not an integer? a) 15, b) 0, c) 2.5, d) -4 and slowly worked up to pretty complex syntactical things), a speed programming exam (very basic questions, stuff like given a date tell what day it is, but you're graded on time), and a long series of riddles. That was all very different from any other hiring process I've gone through.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    It's also important to note that, given the current economic climate (and I'm not saying this applies to PA/CP, but just in general to most companies), the candidate pool is naturally larger, because more people want more/better work. That inherently makes the hiring criteria more strict, even if the minimum requirements don't change. They may still only require candidates to have a college degree, but they may pretty much automatically (almost typed "automagically") toss anybody below a 3.0, just to narrow down the pool.

    Sadly, it's a result of the climate, and it's not going to get better for quite a while since, given the state of affairs, a lot of people are choosing to go back to school (as I am). That means that two-four years from now, there's going to be a bunch more people fresh out of college applying for that once-comfy-but-now-kind-of-mediocre job.

    Sign of the times.

    But, still, nowhere near inhumane (at least, I'm sure it's no less humane than working around guys who make dick jokes for a living /sarcasm).

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  • GrizzledGrizzled Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I think in regards to the GPA thing, you should go back and watch that bit again. Mike and Jerry are basically making fun of Khoo for wanting to drop one person because of their low GPA. I thought they were pretty much insinuating that Mike had nowhere close to a 3.5 GPA and that therefore it wasn't really that important to them (since if that was their standard then one of the founders wouldn't be there, etc. etc.)

    I think the thing to take away from it is that, if the place really wants you for some skill or quality, your GPA will mean little. It is an easy way to differentiate among a pool of similarly qualified applicants though.

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  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I saw that and it made me like Mike even more.

    Going back to school and accumulating more debt isn't really prudent right now.

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  • SkySky Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    If I may take the discussion on a tangent for Child's Play:

    I am curious, for the next Child's Play charity drive, could hospitals in Mexico, or children's charities, for victims of the drug cartel violence be added?

    The city of Mexicali has almost a million people, is relatively peaceful compared to other regions of the U.S. - Mexico border, and is also the state capital. It has a fairly strong economy, which I think helps keep the drug cartels under control, instead of the other way around.

    With that said, I think approaching the Mexican Consulate in Calexico, California, would be a good start for finding the right charity or children's hospital. I currently live near Calexico, and can either get someone the contact information or approach the Consular and explain what CP can do. (I have sent an email to the CP website and posted on the Facebook profile this same idea.)

    Thanks.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2011
    That isn't relevant to the topic of this thread.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    They've mentioned the "creative environment" contract or whatever it is in other episodes - obviously I don't know the details, but I imagine it's some kind of legal protection for PA to account for the fact that Mike, Jerry, and everyone else acts in a non-conventional (for a job environment) way, so e.g. everyone can make dick and vagina jokes without being worried about a sexual harassment suit.

    Obviously you'd want some kind of legal protection as a last-resort safety, but when you're dealing with such a specialized environment, the best protection is just being able to find someone for the job who won't get offended or litigious about things like that.

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  • DocDoc Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    The only place I interviewed that cared about my GPA was the first place I worked out of university. In that context it absolutely makes sense.

    I've worked at four companies, and three of them had hiring processes similar to PA, where culture fit was a big part of the interview process. The only one that didn't was Boeing, and a terrible culture fit was partially why I left there.

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