New webcomic! Super Brophy Brothers!

Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
edited May 2011 in Artist's Corner
I don't want to seem like a dingus for this being my first post, but I just started a webcomic with my brother. We're both long-time readers of PA and we're hugely influenced by Mike and Jerry. I do the art and my brother does the majority of the writing. We make a podcast as well, and you could totally email us and we might read it on the cast. Anyway if you like PA (what are you doing here?), or if you like humor, you should read us.

Now is your chance to get in on the motherfucking ground floor of this bitch:
http://superbrophybrothers.blogspot.com/

[strike]If you're too lazy to go to the site[/strike] Or if you don't want to support site whoring by being talked down to, here's the first 2 comics. We update every tuesday, and we'll likely be putting a new podcast up each week as well.

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  • JLM-AWPJLM-AWP Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Welcome to the AC, and to webcomic-hood. A few things to get you started:

    1. People are here to crit your art, not get in on any ground floors of any bitches.

    2. If you DO want to be taken seriously as a comic, I would suggest looking into getting some hosting and a legit domain name. Blogspot is, well...Blogspot.

    3. Everything in the strips that isn't a person is really, REALLY small. Look at that box of cereal, the spoon, the bowl, and the papers in the first strip. They're so tiny! It really shouldn't matter too much, but it's the very first thing that I noticed.

    All that being said, you should post a few more so we can get a better feel, maybe?

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Thanks for the welcome.

    1. Noted!

    2. Currently, being serious is low on our priority list, and not paying anything is high.

    3. A great point. I'll take that into consideration going foward.

    And here's more:

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    As you can no doubt tell, I'm still settling into my art style. It'll take me a little while to iron out the kinks.

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  • squidbunnysquidbunny Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Lose the Comic Sans. Get a free lettering font from Blambot or somewhere. This is non-negotiable.

    Based on the thread title I was expecting this to be two frat boys talking about videogames. I am super relieved.

    Welcome to the AC.

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Use colors in the CMYK gamut as opposed to the RBG spectrum. It will help make your colors not look so garish.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    We'll definitely change the font. We weren't sure about comic sans either, people seem to hate it.
    And I'm glad the comic defied your expectations. We are brothers, but we are not 'bros.'

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Oh and I'll try CMYK. I'll keep posting the new comics here for feedback.

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Just for clarification, I would work in RGB mode, because even if you switch to CMYK mode, it doesn't magically change your monitor into a piece of paper. I only switch to CMYK mode until the end, and only if you're sending it to print. Iruka has some great posts regarding color modes in Photoshop:

    http://art-anecdotally.blogspot.com/2010/11/controlling-photoshop-color-picker.html
    http://art-anecdotally.blogspot.com/2010/11/controlling-photoshop-color-picker-part.html

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  • squidbunnysquidbunny Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Adding to what Nib said, CMYK makes for a bigger working file, too. I also work in RGB and switch to CMYK at the end when printing, but it's always helpful to keep an eye out for Photoshop's out-of-gamut alerts when picking colors.

    ... of course, we don't actually know that you're using Photoshop. Are you using Photoshop?

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    I am indeed using photoshop. I'm not planning on printing these so I'll stick to RGB for now.

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  • NakedZerglingNakedZergling A more apocalyptic post apocalypse Portland OregonRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Ummmm....ok
    So the art is pretty rough. I would say keep at it, and really expand what you are drawing. Draw from life a lot and your comics will improve.
    For me, the writing is a miss. I just dont get it.
    Also, think about what needs to be shown in panels. In the first comic you posted here, you don't even need the first panel. In the cat one, i don't even get the last panel.

    I would think some of the jokes out more. If they are personal jokes, then no one is going to like/get them.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Here's this weeks comic, which is a sequel to last weeks. The bulk of the work here was obviously the third panel, take a look see.

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    I'll continue posting comics here every tuesday at the same time they go up on the site. I'd like to continue getting criticism. Also, if you like the comics, check out the podcast!

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  • squidbunnysquidbunny Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Color use seems much improved. :^:

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    squidbunny wrote: »
    Adding to what Nib said, CMYK makes for a bigger working file, too. I also work in RGB and switch to CMYK at the end when printing, but it's always helpful to keep an eye out for Photoshop's out-of-gamut alerts when picking colors.

    ... of course, we don't actually know that you're using Photoshop. Are you using Photoshop?

    But if you use CMYK, when you upload it on the web it will display as a giant red x. I don't do web comics, but I always use the CMYK gamut even when I'm doing web work. In the end, I save it as RGB.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    What is supposed to be happening here? I get that the bearded fellow went into bread-withdrawal of some kind, but why did his friend cover him with a sheet? And how/why did he get moved from the street to some trash filled alley?

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    Here's this weeks comic, which is a sequel to last weeks. The bulk of the work here was obviously the third panel, take a look see.

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    I'll continue posting comics here every tuesday at the same time they go up on the site. I'd like to continue getting criticism. Also, if you like the comics, check out the podcast!

    This is what Mike and Jerry call 'animated series'. It's an additional punchline that doesn't carry a comic on its own, makes the joke a little overwrought but still bearable. IMO it's something that should appear in a bonus comic in the same vein as ASP or SMBC's extra hidden panels, but it's not a strip in itself. If I came to your site and that was the first thing I saw, I wouldn't know what was going on.

    This, though, I love:
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    Real understanding of how a joke can be structured with sequential panels, without much speech at all. This strip's great. Take a minute to think about why you do everything, though - why is the 'soon' boxout there? It seems to have happened immediately. Is it funnier if it happens immediately?

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Enc wrote: »
    What is supposed to be happening here? I get that the bearded fellow went into bread-withdrawal of some kind, but why did his friend cover him with a sheet? And how/why did he get moved from the street to some trash filled alley?

    My comic doppelganger is covering him with a blanket to hide him, because he is shameful. He got moved into an alley with the rest of the trash.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Willeth wrote: »
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    Here's this weeks comic, which is a sequel to last weeks. The bulk of the work here was obviously the third panel, take a look see.

    00007.jpg

    I'll continue posting comics here every tuesday at the same time they go up on the site. I'd like to continue getting criticism. Also, if you like the comics, check out the podcast!

    This is what Mike and Jerry call 'animated series'. It's an additional punchline that doesn't carry a comic on its own, makes the joke a little overwrought but still bearable. IMO it's something that should appear in a bonus comic in the same vein as ASP or SMBC's extra hidden panels, but it's not a strip in itself. If I came to your site and that was the first thing I saw, I wouldn't know what was going on.

    This, though, I love:
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    Real understanding of how a joke can be structured with sequential panels, without much speech at all. This strip's great. Take a minute to think about why you do everything, though - why is the 'soon' boxout there? It seems to have happened immediately. Is it funnier if it happens immediately?

    I appreciate the animated series thing, I was worried it wouldn't be great on its own. And I'm glad you like the other comic. The reason the 'soon' is there is because I had to leave the room to get a punishing glass of water for the cat. Anyway, we'll always consider what is and is not necessary for maximum humor.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    I appreciate the animated series thing, I was worried it wouldn't be great on its own. And I'm glad you like the other comic. The reason the 'soon' is there is because I had to leave the room to get a punishing glass of water for the cat. Anyway, we'll always consider what is and is not necessary for maximum humor.

    Well, remember it's your strip, and that humour is a flexible little harlot. He could come into the room with a glass already so he wouldn't have to leave. He could be working in the kitchen with his laptop, and have the jug of water right there. You could just lose the 'soon' box and have him just have a glass in the second panel, trusting in your audience to assume that he'd gone and got it (although I wouldn't recommend this).

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Willeth wrote: »
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    I appreciate the animated series thing, I was worried it wouldn't be great on its own. And I'm glad you like the other comic. The reason the 'soon' is there is because I had to leave the room to get a punishing glass of water for the cat. Anyway, we'll always consider what is and is not necessary for maximum humor.

    Well, remember it's your strip, and that humour is a flexible little harlot. He could come into the room with a glass already so he wouldn't have to leave. He could be working in the kitchen with his laptop, and have the jug of water right there. You could just lose the 'soon' box and have him just have a glass in the second panel, trusting in your audience to assume that he'd gone and got it (although I wouldn't recommend this).

    Right, but the reason he went to get a second glass of water was because the first one had been spilled, I thought that should be as clear as possible.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Oh, I get it. But the decision is whether it's essential to the joke. If it is, is that pause helping it to be funny? If the pause is hurting, how do we eliminate that? Setting the strip in the kitchen where there's no need for pause is one way to do that.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Gotcha

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    What is supposed to be happening here? I get that the bearded fellow went into bread-withdrawal of some kind, but why did his friend cover him with a sheet? And how/why did he get moved from the street to some trash filled alley?

    My comic doppelganger is covering him with a blanket to hide him, because he is shameful. He got moved into an alley with the rest of the trash.

    Why would he be moved into an alley, and who would move him? The garbage company? Wouldn't they just throw him in their truck and take him to a dump? Joke might be stronger with panning out and showing it as nighttime and him still lying there, or something a bit more plausible/that invokes less fridge logic issues. Another thing to consider is that we are four comics in, with the bearded character only appearing in three of them. No mention or special consideration has been directed towards his beard, so it's loss is fairly un-alarming to the reader. While we get that the lack of beard is an issue for him, this is not a breakdown-worthy event from what we have seen up to this point.

    What I'm saying is that you have to build the joke in order for it to be entertaining. If you wanted to do something like this, leading up to it for a few occasional comics about beard-pride would have been prudent for the final delivery.

    This is a notorious problem for author-avatar comics. Generally you know why this is a big deal (presumably the man the bearded fellow is based off loves his beard a lot), you do not have any reason to develop this in the comic itself. Your readers do not know these characters, but you do. This causes you to take for granted key personality traits that are critical to the success of your comedic delivery. It might be a good idea to either 1)scrap the idea of having these characters be your doppelgangers or 2)step back and ask how you would understand this joke if it were someone else before finishing each comic.

    Sticking with characters you personally know is generally a very difficult thing to do without a lot of objectivity.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Here's this weeks comic. I have no idea if it's funny anymore! Anyway, this forum is more about the art side of it, so I'll just say that I'm trying to take the characters in a more emotive direction.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I really liked that comic, both the joke and the artwork. The art is umpteen times better in the latest strip. Way more expressive.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    I really liked that comic, both the joke and the artwork. The art is umpteen times better in the latest strip. Way more expressive.

    Thanks a lot! I'm going to try to continue to push the strip as far towards being expressive as possible without being too cartoony.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    I really liked that comic, both the joke and the artwork. The art is umpteen times better in the latest strip. Way more expressive.

    Thanks a lot! I'm going to try to continue to push the strip as far towards being expressive as possible without being too cartoony.

    This is fantastic compared to your first one posted here. Keep up the good work!

    You may want to add highlights and depth to the hair to add to conveyance. If you have seen any Studio Gibli films, they use hair (especially facial hair) to convey emotions as well via bristling and how it shifts.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Enc wrote: »
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    I really liked that comic, both the joke and the artwork. The art is umpteen times better in the latest strip. Way more expressive.

    Thanks a lot! I'm going to try to continue to push the strip as far towards being expressive as possible without being too cartoony.

    This is fantastic compared to your first one posted here. Keep up the good work!

    You may want to add highlights and depth to the hair to add to conveyance. If you have seen any Studio Gibli films, they use hair (especially facial hair) to convey emotions as well via bristling and how it shifts.

    Thanks! And the hair thing sounds interesting, I'll give it a shot.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Oh and also, if you like a comic, check it out on the site because there's titles and hidden alt texts.
    And if you REALLY like a comic, listen to the podcast.

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  • squidbunnysquidbunny Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Way to roll with the crits. :^: Huge improvement. Looking good.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    Oh and also, if you like a comic, check it out on the site because there's titles and hidden alt texts.
    And if you REALLY like a comic, listen to the podcast.

    I'm going to give you a small piece of advice here, and feel free to ignore it.

    I got started with Trouble Ticket back in 2008 after reading "How To Make Webcomics" and I jumped in full force with everything the book said.

    I wrote and drew the comic, had the site, then without thinking I put up a forum and started a podcast because I just thought that's what webcomic duders did. I was following the lead of Kurtz, Mike and Jerry, Joel Watson, etc.

    There's a really high fail rate when you're trying to juggle all of that stuff along with the comic and the job so I'll just say this. The comic should come first. It's going to be the thing that 90 percent of your audience is coming to your site for, so make sure it gets top billing and first priority. Don't stress with trying to do too much at first, don't start selling prints when you've only got 30 comics in your archive, etc.

    That's just my .02 though, because you've got talent and I'd love to be able to read your comic a year from now... : )

    Also, for the love of god man get a dedicated domain name. They're $10 a year and you can plug it right into your google blog.

    edit: Just checked the "about the brothers" bio and realized you two are probably late high school or early college based off of those pics, so forget what I said. You've got all the free time in the world. Do a podcast once a week, update your comic at least twice a week.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    Oh and also, if you like a comic, check it out on the site because there's titles and hidden alt texts.
    And if you REALLY like a comic, listen to the podcast.

    I'm going to give you a small piece of advice here, and feel free to ignore it.

    I got started with Trouble Ticket back in 2008 after reading "How To Make Webcomics" and I jumped in full force with everything the book said.

    I wrote and drew the comic, had the site, then without thinking I put up a forum and started a podcast because I just thought that's what webcomic duders did. I was following the lead of Kurtz, Mike and Jerry, Joel Watson, etc.

    There's a really high fail rate when you're trying to juggle all of that stuff along with the comic and the job so I'll just say this. The comic should come first. It's going to be the thing that 90 percent of your audience is coming to your site for, so make sure it gets top billing and first priority. Don't stress with trying to do too much at first, don't start selling prints when you've only got 30 comics in your archive, etc.

    That's just my .02 though, because you've got talent and I'd love to be able to read your comic a year from now... : )

    Also, for the love of god man get a dedicated domain name. They're $10 a year and you can plug it right into your google blog.

    edit: Just checked the "about the brothers" bio and realized you two are probably late high school or early college based off of those pics, so forget what I said. You've got all the free time in the world. Do a podcast once a week, update your comic at least twice a week.

    Thanks for the advice, and yeah the comic comes first. Like Mike and Jerry, we write the comic on the podcast, the only reason we record it is because we have to use skype to discuss the comic anyway. We're both in college, my brother's about to graduate, and unfortunately with the amount of free time I have it only works for me to update once a week, but hopefully that will change.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    This week's comic:

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    Also, we're in the process of getting a real domain, so we won't have the .blogspot in our name anymore.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    :^:

    Great joke, and great presentation! You've got some wonkyness with those eye lines on the artist fellow, but the shading and colors are much improved. Keep up the good work!

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Thanks! I was trying to make him look tired, but I can see how it comes off a little strange.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Here's this week's comic, it's a weird one.

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    Also, we changed our domain, to superbrophybrothers.com. I'll probably stop posting the comics here soon, so if you like them be sure to bookmark us.

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  • FletcherFletcher Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Making fun of a racist comic by calling it "fagballs" seems kind of... ironic.

    Also the lack of any kind of movement between panels is a little disconcerting. Is he supposed to have removed his shirt, then set it on fire between panel 1 and 2? If so, why has no part of his body moved even an inch?

    You could really stand to put more effort into expressive poses. As it stands, it looks like his shirt has magically teleported off his body, then set itself on fire. Even f his hand were still held up in the air above the trashcan, it would help a whole lot in conveying what has happened

    And finally, I would REALLY recommend against stealing artwork from other cartoonists. It wouldn't have taken much effort to redraw one of Buckley's faces in your own style (seriously, they are terrible). The dude has copyright on his work, so it isn't cool to just copy and paste it into your own comic!

    I can already see a ton of improvement in your art. The facial expressions have come a mile already, and the writing/timing makes a heck of a lot more sense. Keep it up!

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    CAD is racist? I didn't know.

    Also, the lack of movement was on purpose, we thought it would be funnier if the shirt was removed and set on fire instantaneously after the startling realization. I figured that using one of his drawings was fair use in this case, as I wanted to convey his character's face in the best way possible, which is of course to use actual material from his strip. I was a little concerned as well about this, but it should be fine.

    Anyway thanks! Future strips will be more gesturally expressive.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    You're a better writer than one who takes the "little new webcomic making fun of the big successful webcomic" route.

    Your last few comics proved that.

    I did enjoy the joke though.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    CAD is racist? I didn't know.

    Also, the lack of movement was on purpose, we thought it would be funnier if the shirt was removed and set on fire instantaneously after the startling realization. I figured that using one of his drawings was fair use in this case, as I wanted to convey his character's face in the best way possible, which is of course to use actual material from his strip. I was a little concerned as well about this, but it should be fine.

    Anyway thanks! Future strips will be more gesturally expressive.

    I was always under the impression that Buckley is a notorious douche when it comes to his material.

    Three or so years ago Buckley C&D'd a high school kid for creating a presentation that used CAD strips he'd animated. He was so proud of the presentation he put it up on youtube.

    The presentation was about CAD helping him overcome his depression and inspiring him to pursue a career in animation.

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  • Eli BrophyEli Brophy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Eli Brophy wrote: »
    CAD is racist? I didn't know.

    Also, the lack of movement was on purpose, we thought it would be funnier if the shirt was removed and set on fire instantaneously after the startling realization. I figured that using one of his drawings was fair use in this case, as I wanted to convey his character's face in the best way possible, which is of course to use actual material from his strip. I was a little concerned as well about this, but it should be fine.

    Anyway thanks! Future strips will be more gesturally expressive.

    I was always under the impression that Buckley is a notorious douche when it comes to his material.

    Three or so years ago Buckley C&D'd a high school kid for creating a presentation that used CAD strips he'd animated. He was so proud of the presentation he put it up on youtube.

    The presentation was about CAD helping him overcome his depression and inspiring him to pursue a career in animation.

    Ruh roh. I hope he doesn't get mad about this one.
    Also he is undeniably a douche, I recently read his explanation for writing a miscarriage into the strip and it was the most pretentious thing I'd ever read.

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