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MMA XIV: Cheick Kongo vs. The World
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I want to be able to do that when I grow up
If they let Rampage be on TUF after the insanity he went through, I think Chael will be just fine. He'd be better on the show, anyway.
(Inverted triangle? Looks like someone's been watching Ikkitousen...)
Most people don't even know Chael is having any issues with the law, and many others don't care. Dude also has a lot of goodwill after his fight with Silva. People want to see him again
a TUF season would be a perfect way to earn both men their way back into dana's graces and put their careers back on track
and really it has the potential to bring in more hype and ppv buys than rashad/rampage
this current season seems like its not going to have any coaching drama whatsoever what with brock being mr nice guy and jds barely speaking, and last season, everyone knew gsp/kos wasnt going to really be competitive anyway no matter how much shit kos talked
Wow, another one. They really aren't difficult to attempt, you can do triangles from almost any position. All you need is one arm out, one arm in. I get triangles from beneath side control sometimes.
Amazing that that move got pulled off again, and the guy went out again. Cool shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiY_XOg6Arw&feature=player_detailpage#t=238
Video url links to the time of the king of flying knees.
Bisping never left his "graces", he said himself he likes the guy, the punishment was a token gesture to shut up the people who wouldn't stop going on about it (and it was only the spitting, he lost a point for the knee and that was that).
Chael is the one that was very nearly cut, his hype after the Silva performance has kept him around (and a hell of a fight it was too).
...then the video was probably already posted in this thread. :P
really?? when you only fight 2 maybe 3 times a year, losing what may be a substantial amount of your pay for one of those is no "token" punishment. Besides, at 5:04 he pretty much says that while he likes bisping, he truly believes the knee was intentional as was the spitting.
No no, I mean that same move was pulled off. You hear the announcers talking about it. It got submission the year award from everyone, it was last years I think. Tony Imada maybe? Something like that.
I am aware of that (his thoughts on intent), but I still don't see that as out of his "graces" as you put it. Besides Bisping is massively overpaid already, in the part of the UK he lives in he could retire now on that.
;-)
I don't see that, Bisping could argue it was mistimed (it wasn't)...the fight was still going on. Gono threw an illegal knee at Dan Hardy, I don't recall people calling for him to be cut.
What Daley did was far worse.
[sarcasm]I have no idea how this fight is going to go, guys. No idea.[/sarcasm]
where would you purchase such a thing
What Daley did was a clear violation of the rules of the organization and the sport. What Bisping did was a foul during a fight - something many fighters do very often. You don't get penalized outside the cage for hitting someone with an illegal move during a fight, certainly not when the afflicted fighter does not even express a desire to stop the fight. It's in no way comparable to what Daley did, which was not during a fight at all, but after the bell had rung and the fight was over.
If Bisping had walked over to someone after the fight and punched them like Daley did, you could bet he would have ended up just like Daley did as well.
Also, Bisping is not more marketable than Daley. It's the other way around. Had they kept Daley and had Daley kept winning he would have easily become the new golden UK boy in the UFC.
I suspect he made it himself.
Bisping threw an illegal dangerous knee to the head at full force, knowing full well he was going to get away with it and cheering that he did it afterwards.
It's the difference between 2nd degree and 1st degree when it comes to murder. If you believe 1st degree murder is less of an offense than 2nd degree, well then you're just wrong.
And is that seriously your argument? That Paul "WTF is he saying" Daley is more marketable than Bisping...but only if he stayed in the UFC and kept winning?
Sure, and War Machine would be more marketable than both if he got pardoned out of prison and went to the UFC and cut weight and became the Bantamweight champ then kept moving up in weight and taking the Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, and Heavyweight titles then defeated Fedor in under 5 seconds.
We're not arguing hypotheticals, we're talking about their status at the time of their incidents. Bisping still is the most marketable UK fighter.
Oo
In the context of the organisation, the sports image and a breach of the rules what Daley did was worse. If we are talking purely about intentions what Hendo did to Wand and Bisping was worse than what Bisping did to Rivera.
well in real terms, what daley did was assault
what bisping did was a foul during competition.....
And sure, in terms of sports image, what Daley did was a lot worse, because unknowing UFC fans would see that Daley tapped Koscheck in the face after the fight was over, whereas Bisping did nothing wrong by kneeing Rivera in the head during the fight and he should be cheered. Dana White knew this and wanted Daley cut as soon as possible, whereas after the Bisping incident he wanted to shut people up and wait for them to forget that anything happened.
Edit: You know what, let's get off this tangent of comparing it to other crimes. It is distracting away from the disgusting act which Bisping had done and which UFC and its fans are letting him get away with.
Are you for real? are you saying Bisping is the first guy to throw an illegal shot in the UFC? He was docked a point, which if the fight went the distance could have cost him the fight, thats the punishment for illegal shots regardless of intent.
I'm going to ask if you are for real in saying what Hendo did to Bisping was worse. Your job is to keep fighting until the ref stops the fight, and there has been cases where a fighter knocks his opponent down and backs off thinking he won the fight, then the ref doesn't stop the fight, the opponent recovers and steals the victory. You can't possibly blame Hendo for making sure the fight is finished.
Why are you questioning if I'm for real? When a fighter throws an obvious intentional fight-changing shot that has the potential to concuss, cripple or kill an opponent, then celebrates his act afterwards knowing full well he's going to get away with it, then yes I am for real in asking for some real punishment, rather than seeing the UFC sweep it under the rug.
It's just incomprehensible that someone would not only defend him, but claim that docking one point is enough punishment for trying to hurt an opponent illegally and intentionally beyond the scope of competition.
is cheick kongo also worse than paul daley?
I can when he says afterwards he knew Bisping was out and did it intentionally.
Bisping isnt being defended here at all, he fucked up and got the standard punishment for that, you were the one who started bringing other fights into it by saying it was worse than what Daley did morally, which I then in turn said morally what Hendo did was worse.
I can see you love a good argument but you are going all over the place here.
If the knee wasn't intentional (even Marquadt said it might no have been) then of course he threw it with intent. Bisping has well over 30 fights, this was the first time you could ever call him dirty, he isn't Pallhares, Kos, Kongo etc...
Bisping has enjoyed biased decisions going for him, from what I recall copious amounts of grabbing the cage, and now this. Maybe he's cheated in some of his earlier fights as well, if those incidents were swept under the rug like this one.
We just have different viewpoints on this. You're worried about the image of the UFC, while I'm concerned about the integrity of the sport of MMA. I would prefer the sport be devoid of any competitors who would intentionally throw a potentially crippling and illegal shot at a defenseless opponent's head while figuring he could get away with it. It's just dangerous for MMA to have fighters with that kind of mentality with an environment that fosters it as long as they're marketable.
Bisping will be getting shit for 127 for the rest of his career and he knows it.
How do you know he threw it knowing he would get away with it? Rivera could have said "no thanks" and that's a DQ loss for Bisping right there.
Edit: oh and bias decisions? how so? if you mean Hamill (one fight) then the 2 judges that gave him the fight were American, unless you think the UFC owns the judges? Any other bias decisions?
I don't care about the image of the UFC I care about some frothing hypocrisy from people who base their moral compass on how much they like / dislike a fighter.
Considering that he should have been cut, yes not really punishing him and making sure it doesn't get mentioned again is sweeping the incident under a rug.
Bisping would probably have been able to get the fight ruled a no contest had Rivera not continued.
I don't know if you guys knew this, but B:L was in a movie once.
It was a shit move by Bisping but as far as rules go it's not worse than Kongo kneeing people in the balls or Marquardt spiking Leites on his head, especially since Rivera wanted to continue. What Daley did was much much worse, because what he did was outside of the fight, long after it was over - it was basically assault.
But we've been telling you that no, he should not have been cut. Only you think this. Only you think that a foul in a sporting event should lead to a man losing his job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edb6bz_C9ms
When an athlete tries to intentionally injure another athlete outside the scope of competition, they do not belong in the sport.