I just realized something. The Wii has been fairly open for developers to use their own online networks, right? If it's the same with the Café and Valve will be releasing their future cross-platform games for it, we could be getting cross platform play between different consoles. Even better if they give other developers access to Steam for consoles.
Looking at E3 this year, with Nintendo showing off a new console and Zelda, plus the second wave of 3DS games, and Sony having a slew of upcoming exclusive titles (Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian), I really wonder what Microsoft is going to whip out this year. As far as I know, Gears3 is the only major exclusive they've got in the works, though another Halo is inevitable.
Looking at E3 this year, with Nintendo showing off a new console and Zelda, plus the second wave of 3DS games, and Sony having a slew of upcoming exclusive titles (Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian), I really wonder what Microsoft is going to whip out this year. As far as I know, Gears3 is the only major exclusive they've got in the works, though another Halo is inevitable.
Funny, I don't recall very many people saying the Microsoft conference was the best, even WITH the free slims. In fact, if it hadn't been for Ubisoft being super lame and Konami being insane, I would suspect they would have gotten worst-in-show by most people.
Looking at E3 this year, with Nintendo showing off a new console and Zelda, plus the second wave of 3DS games, and Sony having a slew of upcoming exclusive titles (Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian), I really wonder what Microsoft is going to whip out this year. As far as I know, Gears3 is the only major exclusive they've got in the works, though another Halo is inevitable.
I know it's a long shot - but I'm going to put it out there anyhow - Killer Instinct 3. 2D fighters are back in a big way so the timing would be perfect. I don't think we know what Rare's been working on aside from Kinect Sports...
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Yea, Sony is set to have a good show and Nintendo will probably blow the roof off.
MS....I'm really not sure what they can pull out to take some of the notice away from the other two.
Looking at E3 this year, with Nintendo showing off a new console and Zelda, plus the second wave of 3DS games, and Sony having a slew of upcoming exclusive titles (Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian), I really wonder what Microsoft is going to whip out this year. As far as I know, Gears3 is the only major exclusive they've got in the works, though another Halo is inevitable.
I know it's a long shot - but I'm going to put it out there anyhow - Killer Instinct 3. 2D fighters are back in a big way so the timing would be perfect. I don't think we know what Rare's been working on aside from Kinect Sports...
Looking at E3 this year, with Nintendo showing off a new console and Zelda, plus the second wave of 3DS games, and Sony having a slew of upcoming exclusive titles (Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, The Last Guardian), I really wonder what Microsoft is going to whip out this year. As far as I know, Gears3 is the only major exclusive they've got in the works, though another Halo is inevitable.
I know it's a long shot - but I'm going to put it out there anyhow - Killer Instinct 3. 2D fighters are back in a big way so the timing would be perfect. I don't think we know what Rare's been working on aside from Kinect Sports...
Kinect Sports 2...
Pretty much. I imagine Kinect will dominate the MS conference just because of how it's sold. We'll have some montage footage of ethnically diverse people laughing while they play in enormous rooms and be told how amazing Kinect is and how it's revolutionizing the industry.
And then we'll see more revolutionary dancing games.
Can't wait until search comes back, so a pettier man then I can go back and quote all the people who were certain that this gen wouldn't start until 2015 at the earliest. :smugface:
Edit: WhatI'm saying is we need more retrospectives given how much predictions are involved in this thead.
Yea, Sony is set to have a good show and Nintendo will probably blow the roof off.
MS....I'm really not sure what they can pull out to take some of the notice away from the other two.
You don't think they've had the Xbox 720 ready to go for years? They were first out of the gate this gen and it was a massive, gigantic success for them. There is no way they won't be first out the gate the next time too. Microsoft don't need to drum up early hype from developers for their next console like Nintendo do. Because everyone in the goddam universe is going to develop for the next Xbox the same way they do for the current one.
Nintendo have to play their cards early because the success of the Wii2 will be predicated on strong third party support. Kinect has blown everyone away, and even (in my opinion) the lacklustre Playstation Move has shifted millions of units.
The next Xbox is going to have Kinect wholly integrated, along with the strong and compatible architecture that allowed for PC/360 co-development this generation. That is a mighty force and Nintendo no longer have that X-Factor of motion control.
In fact, at this moment in time the Wii is the most primitive console, graphically and in terms of its interactive technologies. The only thing that would sustain it going forward is a bolstered library of games. Nintendo know this and they know that their business will suffer if they rely solely on first party smash hits like they did this generation.
Expect the 720 at e3. Expect news about the next Playstation. Expect the next Nintendo console. This is the year.
I can not wait for E3 this year. The whole thing is just so awesome to me (most of it thanks to you fine folks and the awesome threads that happen live while watching the conferences), but I have very high hopes for total shocks this year. Stuff that we have no idea is coming, or stuff (like Hitman: Absolution) that no one has any idea what it will look or play like.
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My question is what effect this will have on MS and Sony. Will they just ride out their current systems until they are turning a profit for a certain amount of time, or will they push through their new systems just to get them out there?
while I dont think it was E3, the best thread ever was the one for the Kinect announcement party thing. The stuff off of twitter when someone realized the ponchos were microchipped, coupled with the family suspended from a couch in the sky and a fucking ELEPHANT walking around brought about the greatest speculations ever.
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My question is what effect this will have on MS and Sony. Will they just ride out their current systems until they are turning a profit for a certain amount of time, or will they push through their new systems just to get them out there?
Both. Microsoft can totally pull a Sony and keep the Xbox 360 going for years at minimal cost. Especially with Xbox Live not so ubiquitous.
Sony I expect have the most to gain and need to have a strong showing. Their next console has to catch up from dead last, inclusing handhelds. Sony went from 1st to 3rd this generation and mistakes were made. Too costly PS3, poorly designed, constantly refined handhelds and a continually poor online implementation.
Do I expect the PS4? I do. But I don't think it will resemble their previous hardware as much as the Wii2 and the 720 will resemble theirs.
My question is what effect this will have on MS and Sony. Will they just ride out their current systems until they are turning a profit for a certain amount of time, or will they push through their new systems just to get them out there?
Both. Microsoft can totally pull a Sony and keep the Xbox 360 going for years at minimal cost. Especially with Xbox Live not so ubiquitous.
Sony I expect have the most to gain and need to have a strong showing. Their next console has to catch up from dead last, inclusing handhelds. Sony went from 1st to 3rd this generation and mistakes were made. Too costly PS3, poorly designed, constantly refined handhelds and a continually poor online implementation.
Do I expect the PS4? I do. But I don't think it will resemble their previous hardware as much as the Wii2 and the 720 will resemble theirs.
I don't expect to see anything from Sony or MS about their new consoles this year though....maybe next year's E3 to deflate Nintendo's release of the Super Wii. I wouldn't doubt though that MS has a pretty good handle on what they are doing with the next Xbox...Sony I'm not sure what they have in store, as just like you said, they have a huge amount of ground to make up from a generations worth of bad ideas.
Forza 4
Gears 3
Halo HD and/or Halo Wars 2
Kinect Sports 2
Speculation;
Something new and cool please.
Something else new and cool for the dash/NXE.
Several things new and cool for Kinect.
The traditional;
A pile of awesome looking XBLA games.
Thinking about it, we seemingly know more about the decent XBLA releases for this year than what is planned for retail!
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A new console from Microsoft would be cool but we certainly don't need one just yet, Nintendo need a hardware refresh because, like Scarab said, 'at this moment in time the Wii is the most primitive console, graphically and in terms of its interactive technologies.' It really looks like old-hat at this point. 360 is aging much better, like PS3, and I'd argue this gen has certainly aged better than previous generations, but new hardware for both Microsoft and Sony in 2013 would be a good idea.
Let's not forget, the PS3 was announced E3 2005, in May. It wasn't available here in Europe until March 2007, nearly two years later. Following that sort of release pattern, Sony would need to announce and hype a new console now to get all it's features cut and price inflated ready for delayed launch in 2013. Those bullshots don't just render themselves, you know.
And if Microsoft want to beat them to the punch? Need to announce something soon, I suppose. Although Microsoft did manage to announce and release the 360 during the same year, so they might leave things until next E3, they were trying to quickly kill off that big ol' oXbox. Not to mention, if Project Cafe has graphics similar to the 360, it would also be a good time to show what their next platform should be capable of, the 'true next-next-gen', as it were.
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MS needs to continue promoting Kinect, so you can expect to see a lot for that.
Last year was when they surprise-announced the Slim 360 and it shipping that day, right? That was an easy way to steal the show (in my opinion) but I don't see them pulling it off this year at all.
Yea, Sony is set to have a good show and Nintendo will probably blow the roof off.
MS....I'm really not sure what they can pull out to take some of the notice away from the other two.
You don't think they've had the Xbox 720 ready to go for years? They were first out of the gate this gen and it was a massive, gigantic success for them. There is no way they won't be first out the gate the next time too. Microsoft don't need to drum up early hype from developers for their next console like Nintendo do. Because everyone in the goddam universe is going to develop for the next Xbox the same way they do for the current one.
Nintendo have to play their cards early because the success of the Wii2 will be predicated on strong third party support. Kinect has blown everyone away, and even (in my opinion) the lacklustre Playstation Move has shifted millions of units.
The next Xbox is going to have Kinect wholly integrated, along with the strong and compatible architecture that allowed for PC/360 co-development this generation. That is a mighty force and Nintendo no longer have that X-Factor of motion control.
In fact, at this moment in time the Wii is the most primitive console, graphically and in terms of its interactive technologies. The only thing that would sustain it going forward is a bolstered library of games. Nintendo know this and they know that their business will suffer if they rely solely on first party smash hits like they did this generation.
Expect the 720 at e3. Expect news about the next Playstation. Expect the next Nintendo console. This is the year.
No. They just dropped over $1B developing and promoting Kinect...while there's no doubt they've been doing some R&D for the next XBox, I don't think they'll have anything ready to go until 2013. I think we'll see new MS and Sony hardware at E3 2012, but I think this year the focus is going to be Kinect/Move/NGP and new games.
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... I just realized I fell into a trap of talking about E3 when it is a couple moons away. Damn you Industry Thread!
See, it's true that MS don't have very much in the way of exclusives announced for this year, but they still have a hell of a lot of (none-exclusive) software coming out. I agree that eventually they are going to have trouble selling the console, but the games are where they really make the money. As long as people are still buying games (and they are....a lot) I don't see any huge rush for a new console for them.
They wouldn't want to give Sony a lead, so they will be planning for when they do need a new console, but unless Sony forces their hand, I don't think we'll see a new console from MS for a while.
I just realized something. The Wii has been fairly open for developers to use their own online networks, right? If it's the same with the Café and Valve will be releasing their future cross-platform games for it, we could be getting cross platform play between different consoles. Even better if they give other developers access to Steam for consoles.
It's possible but seeing as it took 5 years for Valve to finally develop a PS3 game, who knows how long it'll take them to do the same for the Super Wii. By that point, the PS4 and 720 may already be out and the Super Wii will be in the same outdated position the Wii's currently in.
Would be neat though (apart from the silly numbers instead of actual usernames).
I still find all this talk about LCD screens on the controller pretty bizarre. It's been repeated so much I'm just assuming it's true but getting rid of the Wiimote for a standard controller with VMU built in just sounds like a backwards step and an expensive one at that (seeing as controllers are already bloody expensive).
Screen aside, a backwards step is actually really important here if Nintendo want to participate in cross-platform releases. The lack of universal access to a dual-analog, four-face-button controller is almost as big a restriction to 3rd parties as the lack of power. Yes, the Classic exists, but games need to be developed first and foremost for the Wiimote: works well for some games, but it's just embarassing to try and play something like, say, Street Fighter using it.
And why they can't just add more buttons and another analog stick to the Wiimote/Nunchuck then?
Funny, I don't recall very many people saying the Microsoft conference was the best, even WITH the free slims. In fact, if it hadn't been for Ubisoft being super lame and Konami being insane, I would suspect they would have gotten worst-in-show by most people.
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
As for Microsoft's conference this year I think we'll see Gears 3, the Halo updated port, gameplay footage of Codename: Kingdoms (and a real name, probably with Cry somewhere in there), Forza 4, some third party stuff (Metal Gear Rising trailer, Elder Scrolls DLC, CoD DLC, etc) and more Kinect. A price drop wouldn't be too surprising either (same goes for the PS3 and Wii).
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Well hopefully by the time I get back home from work PSN will be back up and running (not likely). But maybe we'll have more Sony statement to play ideas off.
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
I don't see how Forza and Killer Instinct would make a ripple compared to the other potential announcements. I am not sure Killer Instinct is even relevant from a nostalgic view anymore.
MS is going to be hurt regardless by not being the first out of the gate. Using an argument like the self-reinforcing mechanisms of Gladwell's book Tipping Point, being first out of the gate gave them a significant advantage and they parlayed that into success in this generation.
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Not to mention, if Project Cafe has graphics similar to the 360, it would also be a good time to show what their next platform should be capable of, the 'true next-next-gen', as it were.
A true next-next-gen platform at true next-next-gen prices.
Microsoft could probably get away with selling a piece of tech at a loss that matches Nintendo's pricepoint, but there has to be a limit people are willing to go for when it comes to upgrading, especially if your audience is heavy cemented in the previous system where all their points, transactions, and friends are. There might be less of a reason to upgrade to newer tech if A) the jump isn't hugely dramatic, or the accompanying cost is just as dramatic.
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It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
Of course, this is all occurring against the backdrop of Nintendo's very impressive lead in number of units sold, so the case could be made that Nintendo can fuck up something like E3 and still come out comfortably. It's a short jump from that to being much, much more critical of the two corporations that are in much stiffer competition.
Even if Sony and Microsoft wanted to react to news of Project Cafe ASAP, it would be pretty difficult for them to do so since the news dropped less than two months before E3. Sure, both companies start exploring concepts for new consoles pretty soon after releasing the last console, but I'm sure they're still exploring right now. They won't come up with a new console, then chuck it in a vault and let it out years later when they're ready, they'll make sure they have as solid a system as possible before releasing it.
What I'm interested in, is how quickly Nintendo seems to be bring out their next console, so close to the 3DS' launch. They've generally tended to put most of their resources behind one system at a time (GC support dropped when the DS came out, DS when the Wii came out, etc), so I have to wonder how they're going to sustain two systems that are being launched so closely together. They do seem to be chasing third party support recently, so I guess they're trusting them to help them out, though that in itself is a bit of a risky strategy.
They've actually done quick releases before. The Game Boy Advance launched June 2001, while the Gamecube launched November 2001. And even with the close releases they were able to support both just fine.
But yeah, I do think they're courting third-parties more, especially with the announcement of the new console this far in advance.
As for the no more Valve SP games thing, the quote is n asks, “Portal 2 will probably be Valve’s last game with an isolated single-player experience" which says to me not that none of their games will have no singleplayer, but that they're not going to release, say, HL3 without some kind of multiplayer componant (Whether competitive like deathmatch, Counter-Strike or TF2, or cooperative like Portal 2.)
But Portal 2 has a heavy multiplayer component, right? So it's especially weird to have that comment surface after its release, implying that future games will be even more multiplayer oriented. I dunno. Maybe I'm some sort of weird digital luddite, but I don't want to move away from single player experiences. Especially since, with relatively few exceptions like Halo and Call of Duty, the online scenes for most games die out pretty quickly.
Anyway, this got posted in the PSN outage thread, and I thought it was interesting:
PSN brought in about 870 million dollars of revenue in 2010. That means Sony have lost about 12 million dollars of revenue so far.
Beyond the fact that Sony's likely losing a crapton of money due to the PSN outage, remember that Sony stated they were hoping to have PSN profitable for the first time by 2011. That means PSN likely cost $900 million, or more, to maintain last year.
If there was ever an indicator that online ain't cheap, this is it.
I'd prefer to see Valve keep going with the awesome singleplayer games. The online for TF2 in Australia is nowhere near as big as it used to be. I used to go online at midnight and find dozens of full servers. Now? There's usually just the one. And it's a furry server.
Personally, I don't see how Portal 2 is a singular experience itself (in reference to the Valve quote). It has co-op, which, for me, is still multiplayer--just that instead of Multi-Competitive it's Multi-Cooperative.
Which means, even if Half Life 3 contains some kind deathmatch mode or Left 4 Dead survival mode, it's nothing terribly different from what they've been shooting for all this time.
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One interesting thing I think Microsoft has in it's back pocket is the same thing Apple has - announcements of things that are not supposed to be big announcements.
I work for a TV station and we did TWO stories this morning on the WHITE iPhone. Its fucking WHITE. How is this NEWS. Or anything worth ANNOUNCING? Apple has this strange way (two button mouse! SD card slot on the iPad! CAMERAS!) of announcing things that most other, comparible devices have had for AGGGGGGES, and it's all the sudden a new "feature" for people to get all excited over.
So Microsoft could very easily get people pretty hyped up and excited by announcing:
-Hard Drive support for any drive you own
-Cloud storage
-A fucking WEB BROWSER
-Blu-Ray player (would NEVER happen, but fits the idea)
or some other "features" that other consoles and electronics already have, and people would get really excited.
I have a feeling this new type of disc that people got for the next dashboard update will get a good chunk of time too.
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They'll just buy the press off again.
I know it's a long shot - but I'm going to put it out there anyhow - Killer Instinct 3. 2D fighters are back in a big way so the timing would be perfect. I don't think we know what Rare's been working on aside from Kinect Sports...
MS....I'm really not sure what they can pull out to take some of the notice away from the other two.
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Pretty much. I imagine Kinect will dominate the MS conference just because of how it's sold. We'll have some montage footage of ethnically diverse people laughing while they play in enormous rooms and be told how amazing Kinect is and how it's revolutionizing the industry.
And then we'll see more revolutionary dancing games.
Can't wait until search comes back, so a pettier man then I can go back and quote all the people who were certain that this gen wouldn't start until 2015 at the earliest. :smugface:
Edit: WhatI'm saying is we need more retrospectives given how much predictions are involved in this thead.
You don't think they've had the Xbox 720 ready to go for years? They were first out of the gate this gen and it was a massive, gigantic success for them. There is no way they won't be first out the gate the next time too. Microsoft don't need to drum up early hype from developers for their next console like Nintendo do. Because everyone in the goddam universe is going to develop for the next Xbox the same way they do for the current one.
Nintendo have to play their cards early because the success of the Wii2 will be predicated on strong third party support. Kinect has blown everyone away, and even (in my opinion) the lacklustre Playstation Move has shifted millions of units.
The next Xbox is going to have Kinect wholly integrated, along with the strong and compatible architecture that allowed for PC/360 co-development this generation. That is a mighty force and Nintendo no longer have that X-Factor of motion control.
In fact, at this moment in time the Wii is the most primitive console, graphically and in terms of its interactive technologies. The only thing that would sustain it going forward is a bolstered library of games. Nintendo know this and they know that their business will suffer if they rely solely on first party smash hits like they did this generation.
Expect the 720 at e3. Expect news about the next Playstation. Expect the next Nintendo console. This is the year.
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Other than that the conference will be a 3DS/Cafe lovefest.
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Oh, we'll get those.
Both. Microsoft can totally pull a Sony and keep the Xbox 360 going for years at minimal cost. Especially with Xbox Live not so ubiquitous.
Sony I expect have the most to gain and need to have a strong showing. Their next console has to catch up from dead last, inclusing handhelds. Sony went from 1st to 3rd this generation and mistakes were made. Too costly PS3, poorly designed, constantly refined handhelds and a continually poor online implementation.
Do I expect the PS4? I do. But I don't think it will resemble their previous hardware as much as the Wii2 and the 720 will resemble theirs.
I don't expect to see anything from Sony or MS about their new consoles this year though....maybe next year's E3 to deflate Nintendo's release of the Super Wii. I wouldn't doubt though that MS has a pretty good handle on what they are doing with the next Xbox...Sony I'm not sure what they have in store, as just like you said, they have a huge amount of ground to make up from a generations worth of bad ideas.
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The given;
Forza 4
Gears 3
Halo HD and/or Halo Wars 2
Kinect Sports 2
Speculation;
Something new and cool please.
Something else new and cool for the dash/NXE.
Several things new and cool for Kinect.
The traditional;
A pile of awesome looking XBLA games.
Thinking about it, we seemingly know more about the decent XBLA releases for this year than what is planned for retail!
Post-360
A new console from Microsoft would be cool but we certainly don't need one just yet, Nintendo need a hardware refresh because, like Scarab said, 'at this moment in time the Wii is the most primitive console, graphically and in terms of its interactive technologies.' It really looks like old-hat at this point. 360 is aging much better, like PS3, and I'd argue this gen has certainly aged better than previous generations, but new hardware for both Microsoft and Sony in 2013 would be a good idea.
Let's not forget, the PS3 was announced E3 2005, in May. It wasn't available here in Europe until March 2007, nearly two years later. Following that sort of release pattern, Sony would need to announce and hype a new console now to get all it's features cut and price inflated ready for delayed launch in 2013. Those bullshots don't just render themselves, you know.
And if Microsoft want to beat them to the punch? Need to announce something soon, I suppose. Although Microsoft did manage to announce and release the 360 during the same year, so they might leave things until next E3, they were trying to quickly kill off that big ol' oXbox. Not to mention, if Project Cafe has graphics similar to the 360, it would also be a good time to show what their next platform should be capable of, the 'true next-next-gen', as it were.
Last year was when they surprise-announced the Slim 360 and it shipping that day, right? That was an easy way to steal the show (in my opinion) but I don't see them pulling it off this year at all.
No. They just dropped over $1B developing and promoting Kinect...while there's no doubt they've been doing some R&D for the next XBox, I don't think they'll have anything ready to go until 2013. I think we'll see new MS and Sony hardware at E3 2012, but I think this year the focus is going to be Kinect/Move/NGP and new games.
They wouldn't want to give Sony a lead, so they will be planning for when they do need a new console, but unless Sony forces their hand, I don't think we'll see a new console from MS for a while.
It's possible but seeing as it took 5 years for Valve to finally develop a PS3 game, who knows how long it'll take them to do the same for the Super Wii. By that point, the PS4 and 720 may already be out and the Super Wii will be in the same outdated position the Wii's currently in.
Would be neat though (apart from the silly numbers instead of actual usernames).
And why they can't just add more buttons and another analog stick to the Wiimote/Nunchuck then?
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
As for Microsoft's conference this year I think we'll see Gears 3, the Halo updated port, gameplay footage of Codename: Kingdoms (and a real name, probably with Cry somewhere in there), Forza 4, some third party stuff (Metal Gear Rising trailer, Elder Scrolls DLC, CoD DLC, etc) and more Kinect. A price drop wouldn't be too surprising either (same goes for the PS3 and Wii).
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
MS is going to be hurt regardless by not being the first out of the gate. Using an argument like the self-reinforcing mechanisms of Gladwell's book Tipping Point, being first out of the gate gave them a significant advantage and they parlayed that into success in this generation.
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Microsoft could probably get away with selling a piece of tech at a loss that matches Nintendo's pricepoint, but there has to be a limit people are willing to go for when it comes to upgrading, especially if your audience is heavy cemented in the previous system where all their points, transactions, and friends are. There might be less of a reason to upgrade to newer tech if A) the jump isn't hugely dramatic, or
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Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
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Of course, this is all occurring against the backdrop of Nintendo's very impressive lead in number of units sold, so the case could be made that Nintendo can fuck up something like E3 and still come out comfortably. It's a short jump from that to being much, much more critical of the two corporations that are in much stiffer competition.
But, hey, again, anecdotal.
They've actually done quick releases before. The Game Boy Advance launched June 2001, while the Gamecube launched November 2001. And even with the close releases they were able to support both just fine.
But yeah, I do think they're courting third-parties more, especially with the announcement of the new console this far in advance.
But Portal 2 has a heavy multiplayer component, right? So it's especially weird to have that comment surface after its release, implying that future games will be even more multiplayer oriented. I dunno. Maybe I'm some sort of weird digital luddite, but I don't want to move away from single player experiences. Especially since, with relatively few exceptions like Halo and Call of Duty, the online scenes for most games die out pretty quickly.
Anyway, this got posted in the PSN outage thread, and I thought it was interesting:
Beyond the fact that Sony's likely losing a crapton of money due to the PSN outage, remember that Sony stated they were hoping to have PSN profitable for the first time by 2011. That means PSN likely cost $900 million, or more, to maintain last year.
If there was ever an indicator that online ain't cheap, this is it.
Which means, even if Half Life 3 contains some kind deathmatch mode or Left 4 Dead survival mode, it's nothing terribly different from what they've been shooting for all this time.
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I work for a TV station and we did TWO stories this morning on the WHITE iPhone. Its fucking WHITE. How is this NEWS. Or anything worth ANNOUNCING? Apple has this strange way (two button mouse! SD card slot on the iPad! CAMERAS!) of announcing things that most other, comparible devices have had for AGGGGGGES, and it's all the sudden a new "feature" for people to get all excited over.
So Microsoft could very easily get people pretty hyped up and excited by announcing:
-Hard Drive support for any drive you own
-Cloud storage
-A fucking WEB BROWSER
-Blu-Ray player (would NEVER happen, but fits the idea)
or some other "features" that other consoles and electronics already have, and people would get really excited.
I have a feeling this new type of disc that people got for the next dashboard update will get a good chunk of time too.