PC development has sort of stagnated since the release of Crysis 1 when it comes to graphics. The big growth market has been in the portal/browser based time waster game markets and the interesting dynamics brought by various DD stores.
I think some of that stagnation is due to developers wanting to be able to easily port to/from consoles, though.
Battlefield 3 will be an interesting test case for showing the difference between high-end PC games and console games.
There is no stagnation. Off the top of my head: Cryostasis, Metro 2033, Shattered Horizon, Witcher 2. Heck I'd even put in Clear Skies and some of the newer Total War games for sheer scale. These games on PC are all significantly higher performance than Crysis and its sequel.
Pc graphics haven't stagnated. It's just the only games everyone else hears about/plays are the ones also on consoles.
Crysis 1 was never the benchmark for PCs anyway. It was just the most accessible because of the genre and publicity behind it.
The push at E3 has to be Zelda or something else unexpected. Xenoblade and the Last Story, regardless of quality or excitement here in a gamer focused message board, are not keynote speech material. They are maybe part of a montage of footage.
Whaaat? Heck yeah they're E3 material. They're the kind of thing everyone else shows. Showing Xenoblade or Last Story would be equivalent to showing off a game like Final Fantasy X or XII. The kind of people who watch E3 get excited about those kinds of games.
The gain is almost negligible from a mainstream perspective.
A Blu-Ray drive and 3D support for the Xbox?
I've always been under the impression that 3D support was a software issue for 360. Crysis 2 supported it. I believe it's just not a native API like PS3 is.
The level of advancement may begin to taper off, but there is always something that can be done. Otherwise your statement might as well be 'I'm not sure what PC can bring to the table.'
The PC hardware market is rather stagnant at the moment. They seem more pressed to fit more into small form factors, like Microsoft finally offering ARM support for the next Windows. Nvidia was pushing Tegra 2 for mobile and Tesla for supercomputers in their last earnings report.
I'm not saying there's nowhere to go in the spec race. I'm saying their gain within the market is far smaller than the jump from PS2 > PS3 or Xbox > Xbox 360. And I'm not sure developers really want to go any higher at the moment. Engine developers like Epic and Crytek probably do, but developers seem to be about smoothing out the current development process to get costs under control.
I do a decent amount of gaming on PC, and I'm still... two generations behind on my card? ATI 4890. That's R700 series, of which the rumored Project Cafe chip is a child of. That's two generations back from what's on the market, and AMD has a new DX11-centric generation planned for this year. But I feel no real need to upgrade. I know many players still sporting an Nvidia 8800 GT.
Steam's current hardware survey bears this thought out. That's GeForce 8 series. Nvidia's released another 3 generations, with a fourth in the cards for 2011.
Consoles changed many PC devs. They stopped chasing the high end to support the consistent hardware and larger user base of consoles. At the same time, players stopped needing more robust graphic solutions to play new games. It doesn't really matter that someone can run Crysis 2 at 1920 X 1080 with full anti-aliasing at 120 FPS. Most gamers just care, 'can it run?'
In its announcement earlier today, Nintendo stated that it had not included sales of the Wii successor in its earnings forecasts for the current fiscal year, which ends on March 31, 2012. You might have guessed that this means a release for the system after that date. This is the case, Iwata confirmed during the press conference. The Wii 2 will not arrive until after April 2012.
Outside of Wii 2, Iwata addressed additional sales opportunities for the 3DS, saying that Nintendo would be releasing the system in China and developing countries as soon as preparations are made, possibly this year. Nintendo set a sales target of 16 million units for the 3DS this year. During the previous fiscal year, the system sold 3.61 million units, just shy of its original target of 4 million.
One of the rumors had the release of Wii 2 being around June of next year.
Details of the console, including its name, have not yet been revealed. But Nintendo said it “will show a playable model of the new system and announce more specifications at the E3 Expo, which will be held June 7-9, 2011, in Los Angeles.”
Nope, it was Sony, or the press after speaking with Sony / reporting on their conference, before the release of the PS2. Way before the Xbox, it was comparing the PS2 to the Dreamcast. Although Microsoft then talked about Toy Story 2 at a later date.
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The gain is almost negligible from a mainstream perspective.
A Blu-Ray drive and 3D support for the Xbox?
I've always been under the impression that 3D support was a software issue for 360. Crysis 2 supported it. I believe it's just not a native API like PS3 is.
The level of advancement may begin to taper off, but there is always something that can be done. Otherwise your statement might as well be 'I'm not sure what PC can bring to the table.'
The PC hardware market is rather stagnant at the moment. They seem more pressed to fit more into small form factors, like Microsoft finally offering ARM support for the next Windows. Nvidia was pushing Tegra 2 for mobile and Tesla for supercomputers in their last earnings report.
I'm not saying there's nowhere to go in the spec race. I'm saying their gain within the market is far smaller than the jump from PS2 > PS3 or Xbox > Xbox 360. And I'm not sure developers really want to go any higher at the moment. Engine developers like Epic and Crytek probably do, but developers seem to be about smoothing out the current development process to get costs under control.
I do a decent amount of gaming on PC, and I'm still... two generations behind on my card? ATI 4890. That's R700 series, of which the rumored Project Cafe chip is a child of. That's two generations back from what's on the market, and AMD has a new DX11-centric generation planned for this year. But I feel no real need to upgrade. I know many players still sporting an Nvidia 8800 GT.
Steam's current hardware survey bears this thought out. That's GeForce 8 series. Nvidia's released another 3 generations, with a fourth in the cards for 2011.
Consoles changed many PC devs. They stopped chasing the high end to support the consistent hardware and larger user base of consoles. At the same time, players stopped needing more robust graphic solutions to play new games. It doesn't really matter that someone can run Crysis 2 at 1920 X 1080 with full anti-aliasing at 120 FPS. Most gamers just care, 'can it run?'
This definitely seems to be true when you have devs working on games yet to be released saying that the game will only be using DX9. If you have a DX11 video card, you'll see some better performance, but it won't be taking advantage of DX11 tech. Hell, very few games do, and isn't DX12 on the horizon?
Have any of the big three announced the times for their conferences yet?
Sony and MS want the same thing. To go on before Nintendo. Though this year should be much better because they, MS and Sony, aren't showing off new waggle devices, just new software and uses for it. They still don't want to on after Nintendo becuase they know they can't top it.
I just never really get that mentality. I'm coming from the design world where everything is made either to size or bigger and then scaled down to fit. You never scale up (excluding vector images) because it's harder to maintain the quality as you have to fill in all this extra information.
Wouldn't it be easier to develop something for dx11 and higher resolutions then scale everything back? At least in my world making something and then letting users scale it up is a horrible taboo. Design should be done for the max size and scale down to users with not as capable PCs and consoles.
Maybe I just do'nt know how video game graphics work that well but it seems like they have to do more work to make games with not as strong graphics able to scale up than it would be the other way
Isn't it preferable to be the last one to leave an impression and set the tone for post-E3 discussion?
They have nothing major to follow it up with though. Unless MS dropped some stupid money and got the next CoD exclusive what are they going to show off? Gears of War 3 and a new Halo. Those are big sellers but lack the "wow" factor of something like new hardware would. Sony has the NGP to show off but I honestly doubt it'll get peoples attention like they hope it would. Nintendo has Super Wii and its games, 3DS software like Super Mario 3DS, and a pile of Wii stuff like release dates for Zelda and DQX.
I expect a good showing from all of them, just a better showing from Nintendo.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
I posted this in the PSN outage thread, but things are potentially looking worse for Sony:
Sony has yet to determine the full scope of an attack on its PlayStation Network and Qriocity services that has left more than 75 million people without access for more than four days.
The company is conducting a "thorough investigation" into the outage, said Satoshi Fukuoka, a spokesman for Sony Computer Entertainment in Tokyo. He declined to provide more information about the nature of the problem, which Sony has blamed on an "external intrusion" into the network.
He also said the company has not yet determined if the personal information or credit card numbers of users have been compromised, but that Sony would promptly inform users if it found that was the case.
Monday's update provides no information about when the service might be available again.
Um, ack. To think they've been going over the system with a fine-toothed comb for five days, and they STILL don't know if any credit card info got taken?
They'd better pray it hasn't been, otherwise this is going to turn into a serious shitstorm.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
Isn't it preferable to be the last one to leave an impression and set the tone for post-E3 discussion?
Counterpoint: Being the first means you get all the blue balls hype explosion of everyone, your fans and other fans alike.
Being the last means you get the sign off for the three main conferences, but also a tapered audience already balls deep in discussion of what your opponents just dropped on your lap.
See: How nearly everyone missed the Snake is in Brawl thing because it was slipped in during the show.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
EA has decided we're not paying enough for online gaming already.
A new subscription service reportedly being planned by EA Sports would allow players to transfer downloadable content between annual versions of titles, among other benefits.
A consumer survey obtained by sports gaming fansite Pasta Padre outlines a subscription plan that would offer discounted DLC, early access to downloadable versions of retail sports titles and free access to exclusive DLC and web-based features.
The survey suggests the plan would be available to PS3 and Xbox 360 owners for anywhere from $14.99 to $34.99 annually, depending on the level of benefits received. Gamasutra has contacted EA for further information about the reported plan.
The potential subscription plan seems unrelated to EA's existing Online Pass system, which charges $10 to access online play and other content when purchasing a used sports title.
EA has increasingly seen digital revenue as the key to its growth, with CFO Scott Brown suggesting last November that the segment would grow 30 percent annually for the company from 2009 to 2011.
Sports DLC has been a big factor in that growth, with revenues from FIFA's Ultimate Team sub-game quadrupling to $40 million after the feature was made a free addition to the core FIFA game.
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It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
Actually, I don't remember Microsoft having a flat-out terrible keynote of the likes of Sony 2006 (lolsony) or Nintendo 2008 (wii music), just incredibly lackluster ones.
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It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
Actually, I don't remember Microsoft having a flat-out terrible keynote of the likes of Sony 2006 (lolsony) or Nintendo 2008 (wii music), just incredibly lackluster ones.
Agreed, MS has been pretty ok with their conferences. They have done silly stuff or focused on things that were boring, and in a couple of cases brought in guests that were not needed...but they've never had a conference on the level of stupidity as Sony or Nintendo.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
It's all about onions.
Doesn't matter what you want to see. It's all about whatever will create the most buzz.
It wasn't loved but I'm pretty sure the reception was a lot nicer than Nintendo's got the year before when it was pretty much just as boring.
Nintendo's 2009 E3 conference was pretty brutal, though. While the 2010 MS conference was pretty boring, the Kinect stuff was way more interesting than Wii Music and the Vitality Sensor...
It might just be the nature of E3 in general, than any sort of conspiracy, but overall, people (at least at these forums) tend to be much harsher of Microsoft and Sony at E3 than Nintendo. Microsoft's history with PC gaming could be part of that. If Nintendo has a boring E3, it's "Oh, well, I'm sure they'll turn it around, they're just kind of slow this year." If Microsoft has one, it's very much more "DOOOOOOOMMMM! YOU FOOLS, DOOOOOMMM!"
I'm just giving observations, though, so purely anecdotal.
Really? When Nintendo did the E3 that had Animal Crossing: Redux as it's headliner with huge helpings of crazy drumming for WiiMusic, people were calling for Reggie's head on a spike.
All three companies have had poor E3 showings before, and this year none of them should be bad, but it will be interesting to see who can garner most of the attention.
Actually, I don't remember Microsoft having a flat-out terrible keynote of the likes of Sony 2006 (lolsony) or Nintendo 2008 (wii music), just incredibly lackluster ones.
Agreed, MS has been pretty ok with their conferences. They have done silly stuff or focused on things that were boring, and in a couple of cases brought in guests that were not needed...but they've never had a conference on the level of stupidity as Sony or Nintendo.
The one with the movies and singstar clone was pretty bad and last year was really nothing to write home about.
Last year's was particularly baffling as they highlighted a bunch of crap when they had actual good games to show.
Excuse me if I don't believe this one, especially given the source -_-
Whose bright idea is it to put out something about the making of a game only on iPad and not any of the platforms the game is available on? Anyone know of a way to access that thing on PC? I would be very interested in reading this stuff.
I could kinda, maybe, see future Half-Life games being like L4D where the singleplayer is simply the co-op with bots, but that would be a different style of game than the previous ones.
Also, it's not Kotaku saying this. Note how they're making it clear that it's a quote from Geoff Keighley. Also note how it doesn't say "never", but "probably done with". You're even more sensationalist than Kotaku right now.
That statement could be taken as stating as little as every game they make from now on will allow co-op through the campaign. So singleplayer would still exist, just always with the option of adding another player.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
It's all about onions.
Doesn't matter what you want to see. It's all about whatever will create the most buzz.
Not always. Last year everyone was meh about Kinect after E3. Then 6 months later it sold gangbusters.
Nintendo had an utterly enormous post-E3 3DS buzz, which seems to have tapered off somewhat just before launch.
Buzz does not always translate into sales, but I suppose it should help, as do enormous marketing budgets.
Buzz is just buzz, and internet buzz especially is both very difficult to predict, or see the real-world effects of.
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That statement could be taken as stating as little as every game they make from now on will allow co-op through the campaign. So singleplayer would still exist, just always with the option of adding another player.
Yes, this is what I assume it means, but of course, Slowtaku (and perhaps Keighley) are suggesting it means no single player at all (or at least, this is the way it reads to me).
Not always. Last year everyone was meh about Kinect after E3. Then 6 months later it sold gangbusters.
Nintendo had an utterly enormous post-E3 3DS buzz, which seems to have tapered off somewhat just before launch.
Buzz does not always translate into sales, but I suppose it should help, as do enormous marketing budgets.
Buzz is just buzz, and internet buzz especially is both very difficult to predict, or see the real-world effects of.
To be fair, Kinect sold well generally to people who would never, ever even watch an e3 press conference. Let alone probably even know what e3 is.
Meanwhile I still think Nintendo was way more relaxed with advertising the 3DS than they were with Wii (probably something to do with the challenge of actually showing the 3D effect in 2D). But in any case, you are comparing a Spring release to Holiday season. Guarenteed you are not going to see the same numbers.
Ultimately though, e3 buzz doesn't mean much. But it can at least be a good indicator as to how certain audiences (i.e. the ones that follow e3) will react to your stuff.
Depends, for Microsoft I'll be really happy to see a new Halo and some Gears sinlge / co-op footage.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
It's all about onions.
Doesn't matter what you want to see. It's all about whatever will create the most buzz.
Not always. Last year everyone was meh about Kinect after E3. Then 6 months later it sold gangbusters.
Nintendo had an utterly enormous post-E3 3DS buzz, which seems to have tapered off somewhat just before launch.
Buzz does not always translate into sales, but I suppose it should help, as do enormous marketing budgets.
Buzz is just buzz, and internet buzz especially is both very difficult to predict, or see the real-world effects of.
MS E3 showing last year sucked and they knew it going in. Why do yo think they gave away free Slim models last year? Not to mention all the money they had to spend on pushing Kinect before it hit was to get rid of the stench of E3, plus no way did MS want people playing the kinect before they bought it. Due to just how well E3 went last year for Nintendo and them showing off the console for people to play before hand allowed them go easy on the advertising.
Talk about kicking a guy when he's down. A UK Microsoft spokesman said this:
"Of course it's regretful that Sony is encountering issues at such a busy time, and Microsoft takes no joy in the problems gamers are having playing their favourite games online. That being said, we are expecting Microsoft's robust online network to see an increase of traffic from those gamers who own both systems. Being able to play their games via the Xbox LIVE network could make all the difference for some gamers, and the Xbox Nations event will allow all of them to do just that - whether they have a Gold subscription or not."
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There is no stagnation. Off the top of my head: Cryostasis, Metro 2033, Shattered Horizon, Witcher 2. Heck I'd even put in Clear Skies and some of the newer Total War games for sheer scale. These games on PC are all significantly higher performance than Crysis and its sequel.
Pc graphics haven't stagnated. It's just the only games everyone else hears about/plays are the ones also on consoles.
Crysis 1 was never the benchmark for PCs anyway. It was just the most accessible because of the genre and publicity behind it.
Whaaat? Heck yeah they're E3 material. They're the kind of thing everyone else shows. Showing Xenoblade or Last Story would be equivalent to showing off a game like Final Fantasy X or XII. The kind of people who watch E3 get excited about those kinds of games.
I've always been under the impression that 3D support was a software issue for 360. Crysis 2 supported it. I believe it's just not a native API like PS3 is.
The PC hardware market is rather stagnant at the moment. They seem more pressed to fit more into small form factors, like Microsoft finally offering ARM support for the next Windows. Nvidia was pushing Tegra 2 for mobile and Tesla for supercomputers in their last earnings report.
I'm not saying there's nowhere to go in the spec race. I'm saying their gain within the market is far smaller than the jump from PS2 > PS3 or Xbox > Xbox 360. And I'm not sure developers really want to go any higher at the moment. Engine developers like Epic and Crytek probably do, but developers seem to be about smoothing out the current development process to get costs under control.
I do a decent amount of gaming on PC, and I'm still... two generations behind on my card? ATI 4890. That's R700 series, of which the rumored Project Cafe chip is a child of. That's two generations back from what's on the market, and AMD has a new DX11-centric generation planned for this year. But I feel no real need to upgrade. I know many players still sporting an Nvidia 8800 GT.
Steam's current hardware survey bears this thought out. That's GeForce 8 series. Nvidia's released another 3 generations, with a fourth in the cards for 2011.
Consoles changed many PC devs. They stopped chasing the high end to support the consistent hardware and larger user base of consoles. At the same time, players stopped needing more robust graphic solutions to play new games. It doesn't really matter that someone can run Crysis 2 at 1920 X 1080 with full anti-aliasing at 120 FPS. Most gamers just care, 'can it run?'
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Nope, it was Sony, or the press after speaking with Sony / reporting on their conference, before the release of the PS2. Way before the Xbox, it was comparing the PS2 to the Dreamcast. Although Microsoft then talked about Toy Story 2 at a later date.
Who would want to look at a Sega game cartridge.
It's like asking for a funny form of syphilis.
This definitely seems to be true when you have devs working on games yet to be released saying that the game will only be using DX9. If you have a DX11 video card, you'll see some better performance, but it won't be taking advantage of DX11 tech. Hell, very few games do, and isn't DX12 on the horizon?
Sony and MS want the same thing. To go on before Nintendo. Though this year should be much better because they, MS and Sony, aren't showing off new waggle devices, just new software and uses for it. They still don't want to on after Nintendo becuase they know they can't top it.
Wouldn't it be easier to develop something for dx11 and higher resolutions then scale everything back? At least in my world making something and then letting users scale it up is a horrible taboo. Design should be done for the max size and scale down to users with not as capable PCs and consoles.
Maybe I just do'nt know how video game graphics work that well but it seems like they have to do more work to make games with not as strong graphics able to scale up than it would be the other way
They have nothing major to follow it up with though. Unless MS dropped some stupid money and got the next CoD exclusive what are they going to show off? Gears of War 3 and a new Halo. Those are big sellers but lack the "wow" factor of something like new hardware would. Sony has the NGP to show off but I honestly doubt it'll get peoples attention like they hope it would. Nintendo has Super Wii and its games, 3DS software like Super Mario 3DS, and a pile of Wii stuff like release dates for Zelda and DQX.
I expect a good showing from all of them, just a better showing from Nintendo.
But Nintendo? Straight away you have mentioned Mario and Zelda, two series I no longer care for. 3DS is meh. Super Wii could be cool, or it could just be another Wii for me (ie ininspiring).
And on the other hand I think the NGP could be pretty damned exciting.
It's all about onions.
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Um, ack. To think they've been going over the system with a fine-toothed comb for five days, and they STILL don't know if any credit card info got taken?
They'd better pray it hasn't been, otherwise this is going to turn into a serious shitstorm.
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Counterpoint: Being the first means you get all the blue balls hype explosion of everyone, your fans and other fans alike.
Being the last means you get the sign off for the three main conferences, but also a tapered audience already balls deep in discussion of what your opponents just dropped on your lap.
See: How nearly everyone missed the Snake is in Brawl thing because it was slipped in during the show.
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Man, EA really is milking online.
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So I hear Japan likes monsters.
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Excuse me if I don't believe this one, especially given the source -_-
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Actually, I don't remember Microsoft having a flat-out terrible keynote of the likes of Sony 2006 (lolsony) or Nintendo 2008 (wii music), just incredibly lackluster ones.
Agreed, MS has been pretty ok with their conferences. They have done silly stuff or focused on things that were boring, and in a couple of cases brought in guests that were not needed...but they've never had a conference on the level of stupidity as Sony or Nintendo.
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Doesn't matter what you want to see. It's all about whatever will create the most buzz.
The one with the movies and singstar clone was pretty bad and last year was really nothing to write home about.
Last year's was particularly baffling as they highlighted a bunch of crap when they had actual good games to show.
Whose bright idea is it to put out something about the making of a game only on iPad and not any of the platforms the game is available on? Anyone know of a way to access that thing on PC? I would be very interested in reading this stuff.
I could kinda, maybe, see future Half-Life games being like L4D where the singleplayer is simply the co-op with bots, but that would be a different style of game than the previous ones.
Also, it's not Kotaku saying this. Note how they're making it clear that it's a quote from Geoff Keighley. Also note how it doesn't say "never", but "probably done with". You're even more sensationalist than Kotaku right now.
Not always. Last year everyone was meh about Kinect after E3. Then 6 months later it sold gangbusters.
Nintendo had an utterly enormous post-E3 3DS buzz, which seems to have tapered off somewhat just before launch.
Buzz does not always translate into sales, but I suppose it should help, as do enormous marketing budgets.
Buzz is just buzz, and internet buzz especially is both very difficult to predict, or see the real-world effects of.
Yes, this is what I assume it means, but of course, Slowtaku (and perhaps Keighley) are suggesting it means no single player at all (or at least, this is the way it reads to me).
Edit:
To be fair, Kinect sold well generally to people who would never, ever even watch an e3 press conference. Let alone probably even know what e3 is.
Meanwhile I still think Nintendo was way more relaxed with advertising the 3DS than they were with Wii (probably something to do with the challenge of actually showing the 3D effect in 2D). But in any case, you are comparing a Spring release to Holiday season. Guarenteed you are not going to see the same numbers.
Ultimately though, e3 buzz doesn't mean much. But it can at least be a good indicator as to how certain audiences (i.e. the ones that follow e3) will react to your stuff.
MS E3 showing last year sucked and they knew it going in. Why do yo think they gave away free Slim models last year? Not to mention all the money they had to spend on pushing Kinect before it hit was to get rid of the stench of E3, plus no way did MS want people playing the kinect before they bought it. Due to just how well E3 went last year for Nintendo and them showing off the console for people to play before hand allowed them go easy on the advertising.
http://consumerist.com/2011/04/microsoft-finds-opportunity-in-playstation-network-woes.html