it's funny, I thought one of altair's sons in assrev looked a lot like fassbender
we only saw one of them but he had the exact same face as Subject 16, which I believe was meant to imply that he was the one 16 was descended from and Desmond was descended from the other
I never noticed that, definitely makes sense though
to go wildly speculative, it'd be cool if the movie was actually about subject 16, what he went through, and how he went insane/died. doubt it would be that, but that would be an awesome movie.
It would be pretty awesome for the AC movie to cover a plot bit from the already existing franchise, instead of trying to retell a story we've already seen.
Subject 16 would be a great way to do that, because then what's new to the audience would also be relatively new to him.
For example (AC 1 spoilers)
figuring out what was up with the "Templar treasure" alongside Altair, throughout the game, was a hell of a lot more effective than it would have been to just introduce its powers right off the bat. Having Subject 16, or anyone else who would be using the Animus and rediscovering all of that stuff for the first time, would be a really easy way to almost do an "origin story", as it were, so that movie audiences get a feel for the AC universe even if they haven't played the games.
Actually the Animus system could be a decent twist in a film.
Glitches, little inaccuracies, modern slang, pieces of Eden doing crazy things and then... boom, someone wakes up from the Animus.
Hey, it's better than Shyamalan.
I think it needs to either be integrated into the plot, with stuff happening in the real world (the bleeding effect, for example); or excised from the movie proper. If the latter, it might work very well as a stinger.
The glitches and inaccuracies are everywhere in the games. From the opening ubisoft logo to the title screen, and that aspect should be in the movie.
Really, they have a number of templates to look at - Quantum Leap, as mentioned, is just an Animus that isn't restricted to the user's ancestors. The titular Matrix is the "inside the animus" section, with the hovercraft being Abstrego. Just don't go too far with it, right?
I think the film would be better served by ignoring the Animus and the ridiculous frame story, and just going with a historical adventure. I feel the same way about the games.
The forerunner/ancient aliens thing would be fine on its own without the modern day "the assassins and templars have been behind every conflict ever" schtick
it's funny, I thought one of altair's sons in assrev looked a lot like fassbender
we only saw one of them but he had the exact same face as Subject 16, which I believe was meant to imply that he was the one 16 was descended from and Desmond was descended from the other
But one of them
is totally murdered in AssRev at a not super old age. Would he have had kids before that?
I think the film would be better served by ignoring the Animus and the ridiculous frame story, and just going with a historical adventure. I feel the same way about the games.
The forerunner/ancient aliens thing would be fine on its own without the modern day "the assassins and templars have been behind every conflict ever" schtick
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it's funny, I thought one of altair's sons in assrev looked a lot like fassbender
we only saw one of them but he had the exact same face as Subject 16, which I believe was meant to imply that he was the one 16 was descended from and Desmond was descended from the other
But one of them
is totally murdered in AssRev at a not super old age. Would he have had kids before that?
Yeah he actually does have a family and kids that the older son takes with him/goes to live with IIRC from his file in AssRev.
Also, I thought it was Ezio that was the common link between Subject 16 and Desmond so it can't be the other son unless the older one never had any kids in the first place.
it's funny, I thought one of altair's sons in assrev looked a lot like fassbender
we only saw one of them but he had the exact same face as Subject 16, which I believe was meant to imply that he was the one 16 was descended from and Desmond was descended from the other
But one of them
is totally murdered in AssRev at a not super old age. Would he have had kids before that?
Yeah he actually does have a family and kids that the older son takes with him/goes to live with IIRC from his file in AssRev.
Also, I thought it was Ezio that was the common link between Subject 16 and Desmond so it can't be the other son unless the older one never had any kids in the first place.
I think Subject 16 heard about Ezio, which caused them to track down Desmond. A voice-over that says (something like), "the great assassin, Ezio" in Italian, plays at some point, though I really can't place which game.
it's funny, I thought one of altair's sons in assrev looked a lot like fassbender
we only saw one of them but he had the exact same face as Subject 16, which I believe was meant to imply that he was the one 16 was descended from and Desmond was descended from the other
But one of them
is totally murdered in AssRev at a not super old age. Would he have had kids before that?
Yeah he actually does have a family and kids that the older son takes with him/goes to live with IIRC from his file in AssRev.
Also, I thought it was Ezio that was the common link between Subject 16 and Desmond so it can't be the other son unless the older one never had any kids in the first place.
I think Subject 16 heard about Ezio, which caused them to track down Desmond. A voice-over that says (something like), "the great assassin, Ezio" in Italian, plays at some point, though I really can't place which game.
I had no idea she was a double agent. Did that get revealed in Ass Rev?
Not exactly. It was revealed in the Lost Archive DLC for Revelations. Arguably the only actual "revelation" to be had.
Wow, that's really crappy of them, That seems like a pretty huge revelation.
I don't know... it could have been a big deal, if the modern day characters were more developed. The writing in this series leaves a lot to be desired. The only real big deal revelation Ezio experienced happened in Brotherhood:
Those Who Came Before (ugh, what a stupid name) only really talk to Ezio so his descendent can use a handwavium idiot machine to observe their conversations.
It i awful. How in the hell did They know such a thing would even be invented, much less that his lineage would continue, or that his descendent would be in a situation to use that machine? I've seen first draft nanowrimo attempts with better plots
I don't know... it could have been a big deal, if the modern day characters were more developed. The writing in this series leaves a lot to be desired. The only real big deal revelation Ezio experienced happened in Brotherhood:
Those Who Came Before (ugh, what a stupid name) only really talk to Ezio so his descendent can use a handwavium idiot machine to observe their conversations.
It i awful. How in the hell did They know such a thing would even be invented, much less that his lineage would continue, or that his descendent would be in a situation to use that machine? I've seen first draft nanowrimo attempts with better plots
More specifically, they talk to Ezio because he enters their "limited AI or perhaps disembodied spirit" vault area. They might have talked to Borgia in the same way if he had entered because the warning is more important than the Assassin v Templar conflict. How did they know the memory would pass on? Well, perhaps that was a design feature for the Assassin race (remember, the Eagle vision and all that is a special class of human) similar to how Protheans do things. Perhaps the OWCB can time travel in some way? Perhaps this design quirk made the Animus (BS tech that it is) possible in the first place. Perhaps it is just a TWEEST in grand Shamalamalan style and their writers are cheesy.
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Ive never played any AC games, I know if I buy older ones I wont play them. I want to jump into series and start wih AC3. Anyone in same position?
I am in the exact same position. The revolutionary war setting convinced me to hop in.
Fair word of warning, Ubisoft saying stuff like, "oh yeah, AC3 is PERFECT for newcomers to the series" is pretty much just blatant lies. AC3 is the culmination of the past four game's story. It's the end of a specific story arc.
If you just care about stabbing dudes and being a cool assassin, there's no problem. But you might be a bit lost at first with all these references to stuff you haven't seen yet.
If you don't care about spoilers basically the main idea is...
Nothing in recorded history happened the way it was written. Mankind was once the slave race of advanced precursors. Not aliens, just a humanoid species that lived on Earth before humans. They left behind powerful technology called Pieces of Eden, and two factions, Assassins and Templars have been fighting over them since the dawn of time. With them, you can cause mass illusions, raise the dead, fry people's brains etc.
Assassins are ostensibly the good guys, and Templars are the bad guys.
And pretty much every major person in history, ever, was either an Assassin or a Templar.
Oh yeah, and there's gonna be a solar storm that kills everyone on December 2012. Good luck!
I don't know... it could have been a big deal, if the modern day characters were more developed. The writing in this series leaves a lot to be desired. The only real big deal revelation Ezio experienced happened in Brotherhood:
Those Who Came Before (ugh, what a stupid name) only really talk to Ezio so his descendent can use a handwavium idiot machine to observe their conversations.
It i awful. How in the hell did They know such a thing would even be invented, much less that his lineage would continue, or that his descendent would be in a situation to use that machine? I've seen first draft nanowrimo attempts with better plots
More specifically, they talk to Ezio because he enters their "limited AI or perhaps disembodied spirit" vault area. They might have talked to Borgia in the same way if he had entered because the warning is more important than the Assassin v Templar conflict. How did they know the memory would pass on? Well, perhaps that was a design feature for the Assassin race (remember, the Eagle vision and all that is a special class of human) similar to how Protheans do things. Perhaps the OWCB can time travel in some way? Perhaps this design quirk made the Animus (BS tech that it is) possible in the first place. Perhaps it is just a TWEEST in grand Shamalamalan style and their writers are cheesy.
The assassins are not a race. A philosophy; the titular creed. The group has died out and been reborn many times over the years, as has the Templar. Neither group is monolithic. The assassins were not 'designed'; except insofar as all humans were 'designed'.
The precursors had a literal sixth sense - knowledge. At some point after the cataclysm, a handful were trying to rebuild their race (or save mankind, or both; the details are fuzzy) by intermingling with the humans. The results of these unions possess a diluted form of the "knowledge" sense; and we know it as Eagle vision.
This 'quirk' affects a very small number of people. Not all (or even most, and forget about many) of the assassins have eagle vision. It may even be strictly limited to Altair's line; but that strikes me as unlikely. I'd be willing to bet that (a tiny fraction of) normal citizens have it.
Actually, do we know if Clay or Aveline have the talent? He's of the line, but I'm under the impression she isn't.
I really doubt the precursors can time travel in any meaningful sense. Also, I don't get a let's shock the audience with a twist vibe. The whole thing feels planned. I'll need to re-watch the ends of II and Brotherhood, because I thought most of "how do you know that name" was explained.
It might be old news but god damn no matter how many times I watch the E3 trailer for AC: Rev, it doesnt get old. I am guessing its the music along with the badassness.
I meant the Assassins are clear descendents of Adam and Eve (from 'The Truth'). So they have some limited special powers, like Eagle Vision and resistance to the Pieces of Eden. You're right that not every Assassin has those traits, but that's just logic. If Ezio has the power and then inducts Mario Piazo, an impoverished youth into the Assassin Brotherhood, there's no way that kid would just suddenly have it.
Oh and they CAN time travel. Just questionable whether that's in the sense of AI Constructs that can control humans and wait a long time, or if their spirits constitute some sort of technology-indistinct-from-magic oversoul thing. And I say this because a long dead person can't FORCE you to stab someone without that setup...
Seems like you can't replay story memories in AC2.
Is there any way to view everything after the fight with Borgia in-game, or do I have to resort to youtube?
edit: And, in Brotherhood, the precursor bit happens with Desmond, so there's no way to re-watch that in-game. Ridiculous.
I think we have very different definitions of time travel, then. Living for a super long time isn't time travel. And if you copy your brain into something that won't die, that's just you (leaving aside dozens of arguments) living for a long time. It'd be time travel if Juno and Minerva were physically there, having somehow skipped over the intervening years. I might be willing to call it time dilation if (from their perspective) it's only a few years after the cataclysm and (from our perspective) it's 2012. I'm visualizing a rippling bubble surrounding Desmond; when she speaks, her words simply take thousands of years to arrive. I don't think there's two-way communication, but like I said - I can't remember if Minerva responded to Ezio.
I'm also not convinced Juno "controlled" Desmond. Gave him an order, sure. He was under the influence of the apple, and therefore quite susceptible. But, not quite the same thing as taking control.
the Minerva hologram talks to Ezio; there's definitely two-way communication. The hologram does say "when I died", so some amount of brain-copying-into-machine went on.
Trying to find a decent AssBro ending video that doesn't have a dude talking over it.
Grumble. This one plays without a voice-over, but they skip past all the running about and Juno talking. And you're right - Juno definitely takes control of Desmond.
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to go wildly speculative, it'd be cool if the movie was actually about subject 16, what he went through, and how he went insane/died. doubt it would be that, but that would be an awesome movie.
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Subject 16 would be a great way to do that, because then what's new to the audience would also be relatively new to him.
For example (AC 1 spoilers)
Glitches, little inaccuracies, modern slang, pieces of Eden doing crazy things and then... boom, someone wakes up from the Animus.
Hey, it's better than Shyamalan.
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I think it needs to either be integrated into the plot, with stuff happening in the real world (the bleeding effect, for example); or excised from the movie proper. If the latter, it might work very well as a stinger.
The glitches and inaccuracies are everywhere in the games. From the opening ubisoft logo to the title screen, and that aspect should be in the movie.
Really, they have a number of templates to look at - Quantum Leap, as mentioned, is just an Animus that isn't restricted to the user's ancestors. The titular Matrix is the "inside the animus" section, with the hovercraft being Abstrego. Just don't go too far with it, right?
The forerunner/ancient aliens thing would be fine on its own without the modern day "the assassins and templars have been behind every conflict ever" schtick
But one of them
"The Assassin's Creed movie would be better if it was not an Assassin's Creed movie at all." Nope, shush.
Also, I thought it was Ezio that was the common link between Subject 16 and Desmond so it can't be the other son unless the older one never had any kids in the first place.
I think Subject 16 heard about Ezio, which caused them to track down Desmond. A voice-over that says (something like), "the great assassin, Ezio" in Italian, plays at some point, though I really can't place which game.
It was in the Lost Archive DLC for AssRev -- http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mole
Prior to this it was more or less left completely unexplained how Lucy had even heard of Ezio. You could only speculate and assume.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/10/23/assassins-creed-iii-expose-benedict-arnold-exclusively-on-ps3/
Wow, that's really crappy of them, That seems like a pretty huge revelation.
I don't know... it could have been a big deal, if the modern day characters were more developed. The writing in this series leaves a lot to be desired. The only real big deal revelation Ezio experienced happened in Brotherhood:
It i awful. How in the hell did They know such a thing would even be invented, much less that his lineage would continue, or that his descendent would be in a situation to use that machine? I've seen first draft nanowrimo attempts with better plots
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Early game spoilers.
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I am in the exact same position. The revolutionary war setting convinced me to hop in.
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If you just care about stabbing dudes and being a cool assassin, there's no problem. But you might be a bit lost at first with all these references to stuff you haven't seen yet.
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Desmond's sections across the previous four games are like 30 minutes combined, it shouldn't be that hard to catch up on it
and the animus sections are of course given a fresh start
If you don't care about spoilers basically the main idea is...
Assassins are ostensibly the good guys, and Templars are the bad guys.
And pretty much every major person in history, ever, was either an Assassin or a Templar.
Oh yeah, and there's gonna be a solar storm that kills everyone on December 2012. Good luck!
That trailer
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The precursors had a literal sixth sense - knowledge. At some point after the cataclysm, a handful were trying to rebuild their race (or save mankind, or both; the details are fuzzy) by intermingling with the humans. The results of these unions possess a diluted form of the "knowledge" sense; and we know it as Eagle vision.
This 'quirk' affects a very small number of people. Not all (or even most, and forget about many) of the assassins have eagle vision. It may even be strictly limited to Altair's line; but that strikes me as unlikely. I'd be willing to bet that (a tiny fraction of) normal citizens have it.
Actually, do we know if Clay or Aveline have the talent? He's of the line, but I'm under the impression she isn't.
I really doubt the precursors can time travel in any meaningful sense. Also, I don't get a let's shock the audience with a twist vibe. The whole thing feels planned. I'll need to re-watch the ends of II and Brotherhood, because I thought most of "how do you know that name" was explained.
Oh and they CAN time travel. Just questionable whether that's in the sense of AI Constructs that can control humans and wait a long time, or if their spirits constitute some sort of technology-indistinct-from-magic oversoul thing. And I say this because a long dead person can't FORCE you to stab someone without that setup...
Is there any way to view everything after the fight with Borgia in-game, or do I have to resort to youtube?
I think we have very different definitions of time travel, then. Living for a super long time isn't time travel. And if you copy your brain into something that won't die, that's just you (leaving aside dozens of arguments) living for a long time. It'd be time travel if Juno and Minerva were physically there, having somehow skipped over the intervening years. I might be willing to call it time dilation if (from their perspective) it's only a few years after the cataclysm and (from our perspective) it's 2012. I'm visualizing a rippling bubble surrounding Desmond; when she speaks, her words simply take thousands of years to arrive. I don't think there's two-way communication, but like I said - I can't remember if Minerva responded to Ezio.
I'm also not convinced Juno "controlled" Desmond. Gave him an order, sure. He was under the influence of the apple, and therefore quite susceptible. But, not quite the same thing as taking control.
Trying to find a decent AssBro ending video that doesn't have a dude talking over it.
Grumble. This one plays without a voice-over, but they skip past all the running about and Juno talking. And you're right - Juno definitely takes control of Desmond.